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Fedora 23 Released (fedoramagazine.org)
An anonymous reader writes: Today marks the release of Fedora 23 for all three main editions: Workstation, Cloud, and Server. This release brings GNOME 3.18, Libre Office 5.0, and Fedora Spins — alternate desktops that provide a different experience. Fedora 23 also includes a version optimized for running on ARM-based systems. You can read the full release notes on their website. "Fedora 23 also has important under-the-hood security improvements, with increased hardening for all compiled software and with insecure SSL3 and RC4 protocols disabled. We've also updated all of the software installed by default in Fedora Cloud Base Image and Fedora Workstation to use Python version 3, and the Mono .NET compatible framework is now at version 4. Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character."
[tipping intensifies]
This release brings GNOME 3.18, Libre Office 5.0, and Fedora Spins — alternate desktops that provide a different experience.
Does it also bring Nouveau drivers that don't crash every 48 hours? Because if it doesn't I recommend AMD or Intel display card.... I'm not on their advertising payroll or anything, just a friendly warning form a long time Fedora user.
Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character.
Hot dog!
Hopefully this isn't the end of his career.
Multi monitor support is hosed, shutdown sometimes hangs, per-application audio controls are now hard to find, network manager doesn't resize and gets hidden under notifications, dnf is quite like but not quite the same as yum (changelog support obscure, fastest mirrors disabled by default).
All things that used to work fine in fedora 18.
Oh, but the graphics are not flatter and more spaced out.
Open source hates users.
We heard you liked
More and more stuff
So we had to add
More and more cruft
Bloat is the name
Lines of code is the game
Bumping version numbers
Gets us attention again
Sure you don't need
These improvements but we
Need them for vendor
Lock-in you see.
You want something simple
Like green eggs and ham
Don't be a fool
Just eat our spam.
Burma Shave
This post was NOT brought to you by "the crucial U1F32D character," which many of us have survived without until now. What a bunch of hype!
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Insightful != inciteful
Fedora 22 user rant here
Is it (audit spamming syslog) fixed ? I have no use for the audit daemon on a home machine.
And no I don't need someone to tell me to filter them out with some convoluted command line to read the fucking system log.
'less /var/log/messages' should be usable, as should the output of dmesg (how the hell they fucked that up I'll never know).
I just checked and wtf is dnf spamming the system log now too? Is this a new fuck-up ? (yum never did this). Oh I see the problem "systemd: Starting dnf makecache..." figures systemd would be involved.
Hey, but it's good enough for Linus!
But the real question is: can we finally, after all these years, run a Gnome 3 session over a VNC connection without getting the "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" error and the ridiculous workarounds for that?
Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?
Attempting to install it in a VirtualBox virtual machine. Just gives me a black screen on startup, no way to recover. Fedora used to be better than this.
Gattica! Gattica! Gattica! Gattica!
Nope. Not at all.
Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?
Try doing development that has to interact with it, you'll quickly form the same opinion.
Spent an hour this AM getting my work Desktop unstuck from a looping coredump by systemd... may have been due to some issue with Yum update, but still. F1 console was flashing and unusable, was able to use F2 Console to firefight, but, still ... Do one thing, and do it well comes to mind.Am stuck with it, but... what are the alternatives? Tired of debugging this monster.
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
There are already more people who *use* systemd but never really interact with it than people who will ever, ever have to develop against it. That ship has long since sailed.
> Unless they're dropping systemd, not interested.
Ok, I see your systemd complaint is a full twelve minutes after a loosely related article dropped. You need to up the rate of the systemdQQ cron job or something, get that downtime fixed.
Devuan, Slackware, Gentoo, or something based off the latter two?
Tempter, err?
Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?
I'm bored of hearing from systemd defenders and fanbois. How does that grab you?
Obviously works fine for the Fedora developers as they just turned out a new release.
The Red Hat Bugzilla link you want is Audit events in /var/log/messages.
(dnf-makecache.timer is basically a "systemd-style" cron job for periodically updating your DNF cache)
yum? You should be using dnf since Fedora 22.
I have been trying to get the proprietary drivers working all day the closest I can get is working for a few minutes then crashing. Has anyone had luck with gtx970 and fedora 23? GDM is dead slow to start too even with wayland disabled.
Was this the year of Linux on ARM laptops, or is it next year? Anyways, does anyone know of any nice non-chromebook laptops on the market? What exactly would you use this Fedora ARM spin on...
I don't know about you, but now when I read articles about a new distro. version, if it doesn't mention the removal of systemd, I simply move on.
I'm willing to bet good money that number of systemd services I've written as as high as yours and I love it.
By switching from sysv to systemd my company dropped 1000's of bash, python and C code that was used to start, keep and manage network services and replaced them with 10 line unit files and 5 line bash support scripts.
Your turn.
- Gilboa