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Fedora 23 Released (fedoramagazine.org)

Posted by Soulskill on from the onward-and-upward dept.

An anonymous reader writes: Today marks the release of Fedora 23 for all three main editions: Workstation, Cloud, and Server. This release brings GNOME 3.18, Libre Office 5.0, and Fedora Spins — alternate desktops that provide a different experience. Fedora 23 also includes a version optimized for running on ARM-based systems. You can read the full release notes on their website. "Fedora 23 also has important under-the-hood security improvements, with increased hardening for all compiled software and with insecure SSL3 and RC4 protocols disabled. We've also updated all of the software installed by default in Fedora Cloud Base Image and Fedora Workstation to use Python version 3, and the Mono .NET compatible framework is now at version 4. Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character."

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  1. Re:[tips fedora] by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Is that a hat or a rabbit in your pocket?

  2. Unicode 8 support by Guy+Harris · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial U1F32D character.

    Hot dog!

    1. Re:Unicode 8 support by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I searched for it and, I have no idea if this link will work, but it's in my address bar!

      http://graphemica.com/

      I have no idea if that will work so the link from this Google search should help - it's the fourth one down on my screen. The one that is, obviously, graphemica.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Unicode 8 support by PincushionMan · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I see that the other critical characters are Taco and Burrito. Slice of Pizza was lonely, maybe? That can't be it, because Hamburger also exists. There are even glyphs for chicken (a drumstick), ribs, and Ramen noodles - glyph says 'steaming bowl', but it's pretty obvious what that is hanging off of those chopsticks. Perhaps Mug of Beer was seeking variety? FYI, this site can give the glyph info and which fonts contain it, but it cannot actually render them yet.

      And one wanted to type a Wind Blowing Face, now's the time. Maybe that one's not new. It seems that one is related to a bunch of weather related icons, like fog, cloud with lightning bolt, and cloud with tornado. They seem to be adding lots of these Emoji - I thought there was a Unicode code point shortage? Maybe that's just because UTF-8 because has to maintain backward compatibility with ASCII. From what I understand, in doing so, it wastes a few hundred other code pages.

    3. Re:Unicode 8 support by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      I thought there was a Unicode code point shortage?

      Nope. Originally, Unicode only had room for 65536 code points, but it was extended with Unicode 2.0 to 1,112,064 code points. At least if the Wikipedia page on it is to be believed, only 120,737 characters have been defined as of Unicode 8.0.

      Maybe that's just because UTF-8 because has to maintain backward compatibility with ASCII.

      Nope, UTF-8 can actually represent even more code points than that, but any encoding that results in a code point value past 0x10FFFF is invalid in UTF-8.

      From what I understand, in doing so, it wastes a few hundred other code pages.

      Nope. All that "maintaining backward compatibility with ASCII" involves is "encoding code points 0x000000 through 0x00007F as a single octet equal to the code point, and not using those octets in the encoding of any other code point"; the encoding scheme can represent everything up to 0x7FFFFFFF, i.e. it only loses the uppermost 2,147,483,648 code points, and can still handle the lower 2,147,483,648 code points. That's a lot more than the Unicode limitation of 1,112,064 code points.

    4. Re:Unicode 8 support by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I know... This is a tech site... I also hate emoji... But, damn it, a hotdog in the URL is just awesome.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  3. Will any team pick up Fedora after being released? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this isn't the end of his career.

  4. Running with kde5 since the beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Multi monitor support is hosed, shutdown sometimes hangs, per-application audio controls are now hard to find, network manager doesn't resize and gets hidden under notifications, dnf is quite like but not quite the same as yum (changelog support obscure, fastest mirrors disabled by default).

    All things that used to work fine in fedora 18.

    Oh, but the graphics are not flatter and more spaced out.

    Open source hates users.

    1. Re:Running with kde5 since the beta by Lirodon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it's just that Fedora hates KDE, and this is pretty much intentional. It's a Gnome distro, first and foremost. One of Fedora's KDE co-maintainers actually stepped down

    2. Re:Running with kde5 since the beta by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I'm on 22, and I use xfce. Am I safe to upgrade?

    3. Re:Running with kde5 since the beta by Lirodon · · Score: 1

      close enough

  5. Improvements? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    We heard you liked
    More and more stuff
    So we had to add
    More and more cruft

    Bloat is the name
    Lines of code is the game
    Bumping version numbers
    Gets us attention again

    Sure you don't need
    These improvements but we
    Need them for vendor
    Lock-in you see.

    You want something simple
    Like green eggs and ham
    Don't be a fool
    Just eat our spam.

    Burma Shave

    This post was NOT brought to you by "the crucial U1F32D character," which many of us have survived without until now. What a bunch of hype!

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    1. Re:Improvements? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Fedora is free software, and Red Hat uses it to see what will get pulled into their Red Hat / Cent OS distros. Vendor lock in? What on earth vendor lock in is implied here?

      Also, how dare you say a hot dog is a non essential character?
      http://www.fileformat.info/inf...

    2. Re:Improvements? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You obviously do.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    3. Re:Improvements? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Redhat is the one pushing systemd. Since they employ the main developers of systemd, if you're a company that wants to run the latest and greatest, you'd better stick with Redhat as they are the ones who are really in charge, or switch to one of the *BSDs. 'Nuff said?

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  6. Re:[tips fedora] by davester666 · · Score: 1

    neither. He's just happy to see you.

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    Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
  7. Re:systemd by frooddude · · Score: 1

    Insightful != inciteful

  8. Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fedora 22 user rant here

    Is it (audit spamming syslog) fixed ? I have no use for the audit daemon on a home machine.

    And no I don't need someone to tell me to filter them out with some convoluted command line to read the fucking system log.

    'less /var/log/messages' should be usable, as should the output of dmesg (how the hell they fucked that up I'll never know).

    I just checked and wtf is dnf spamming the system log now too? Is this a new fuck-up ? (yum never did this). Oh I see the problem "systemd: Starting dnf makecache..." figures systemd would be involved.

    1. Re:Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, in a year or so data centers will realize that systemd raises their labor costs and start dropping the option.

      --
      Non sequitur: Your facts are uncoordinated.
    2. Re:Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? by See+Attached · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did anyone else immediately Equate DNF to DId not Finish???

      --
      Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
    3. Re:Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I don't even know what it stands for. I always read it as Do Nice Files. Like, make the files nice so I can use the thing? I'm sure it stands for something else.

    4. Re:Spamming of audit messages to syslog fixed? by Dekonega · · Score: 1

      Yes. Also: DNF = Does Not Function.

  9. And finally VNC support? by SurfMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But the real question is: can we finally, after all these years, run a Gnome 3 session over a VNC connection without getting the "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" error and the ridiculous workarounds for that?

    1. Re:And finally VNC support? by pepsikid · · Score: 1

      Here here! Gnome over VNC is so clumsy and fragile. You'd think they hadn't bothered to try it out after writhing that POS called Vino. To get into some of my newer Linux boxen from windoze, I have to VNC to an older Linux and VNC on again due to Vino not supporting the encryption available in windoze VNC clients. And the work-arounds simply don't work for me. Would consider an alternate client if it weren't $$.

    2. Re:And finally VNC support? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      That sounds ugly. Same result with different flavors of VNC?

      Makes me wonder how some other virtual display technology would fare with it.

      --
      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    3. Re:And finally VNC support? by tomxor · · Score: 1

      VNC encryption... i hope for your sake that's in addition to tunneling over SSH. Otherwise - welcome to my botnet.

    4. Re:And finally VNC support? by tomxor · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the same thing... VNC is only supposed to be a remote frame buffer protocol, which only needs to be compatible with the frame buffer (e.g. xorg, or an xvfb) and doesn't need to care about anything that runs on top of it. I think vino has some extra semantic compression so it can send fonts, gnome desktop specific primitives etc faster and render them client side instead - that's probably where all the bugs are.

      I just stick with basic x11vnc and be done with it, if it's too slow then don't do so much graphical stuff remotely (oh yeah don't do gnome 3 i guess...) and add the compression flag to your SSH.

    5. Re:And finally VNC support? by heson · · Score: 1

      Try x2go instead of vnc. Cant remeber is I tried gnome, I run LXDE daily.

  10. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?

  11. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone else bored of hearing from anti-systemd people?

    Try doing development that has to interact with it, you'll quickly form the same opinion.

  12. Re:systemd by See+Attached · · Score: 1

    Spent an hour this AM getting my work Desktop unstuck from a looping coredump by systemd... may have been due to some issue with Yum update, but still. F1 console was flashing and unusable, was able to use F2 Console to firefight, but, still ... Do one thing, and do it well comes to mind.Am stuck with it, but... what are the alternatives? Tired of debugging this monster.

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    Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
  13. Re:systemd by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Funny

    > Unless they're dropping systemd, not interested.

    Ok, I see your systemd complaint is a full twelve minutes after a loosely related article dropped. You need to up the rate of the systemdQQ cron job or something, get that downtime fixed.

  14. Follow the bug in Bugzilla for audit logging by Sits · · Score: 2

    The Red Hat Bugzilla link you want is Audit events in /var/log/messages.

    (dnf-makecache.timer is basically a "systemd-style" cron job for periodically updating your DNF cache)

  15. Re:systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    yum? You should be using dnf since Fedora 22.

  16. Re:systemd by gilboad · · Score: 1

    I'm willing to bet good money that number of systemd services I've written as as high as yours and I love it.
    By switching from sysv to systemd my company dropped 1000's of bash, python and C code that was used to start, keep and manage network services and replaced them with 10 line unit files and 5 line bash support scripts.

    Your turn.

    - Gilboa

  17. Re:Won't install for me by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    The $1 million question, how do you do ctrl-alt-f1 on a Virtualbox? Enter that and of course the host machine will think it was meant for it and will drop you in the host's full screen console, not the guest's.
    Thus if you bork Xorg on a VM and didn't set up ssh or the networking needed for ssh (or a serial console which you connect to.. how, exactly?) then the VM is lost, at least in its current state. Duh.

  18. Re:Arm and linux by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    It's year of the 6 watt, 14 nanometer Atom (sold as Celeron N or Pentium N).
    There is/was some ARM Android laptop, which you likely do not want.
    I'm sure someone can make a Tegra laptop right now that will run the whole Xorg, GNU, OpenGL etc. deal but how will you justify selling it to the general public?

    So year of linux on the ARM evaluation board.