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Why the Snowden Situation Shows 'Protected Disclosure' Is Critical (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In the wake of NSA leaks debacle, New Zealand's Inspector General of Security and Intelligence has developed a process to enable whistleblowers to act safely. "The Edward Snowden disclosures demonstrate how critical it is to have a clear path, with appropriate protections, for disclosing information about suspected wrongdoing (PDF) within an intelligence and security agency," Cheryl Gwyn says. The Inspector General's powers were boosted after it was discovered New Zealand's Government Communications Security Bureau had been spying illegally on Kim Dotcom and others. "Edward Snowden has consistently said it was impossible for him to make internal disclosures about what he believed was wrongdoing due to the lack of whistleblower protections he faced in the U.S."

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  1. Prison!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What really needs to happen is that people responsible for illegal activity, including spying, need to go to fucking prison, just like any one of the great unwashed goes to prison for breaking laws. These people break these laws, which then requires some whistleblowing because they know they can do it with impunity.

    1. Re:Prison!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You need spies in order to catch the other side's spies. Unless you don't know what "spying" means and you're conflating it with something else, you're off your rocker.

    2. Re:Prison!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah - well, the PAT act makes all their schtick legal, so guess what? No prison. Promotion and more pay is likely tho....

    3. Re:Prison!!! by gweihir · · Score: 1

      So ignoring the law and becoming a criminal organization is fine as long as there is some abstract goal behind it? You would the also be perfectly fine with what the KGB, the Stasi and the GeStaPo were doing?

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    4. Re:Prison!!! by PPH · · Score: 1

      You need spies in order to catch the other side's spies.

      That's like saying the only way I can catch a burglar is to break into his house and find my stuff. Nope. If I catch him in the act, that's good enough. And it's perfectly OK for me to watch my own house to catch him.

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    5. Re:Prison!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try thinking one step further. How do you "catch a spy in the act"? With espionage the adversary is doing everything as clandestinely as possible, and you likely will never know you were even compromised. Look at how 99% of spies in history are caught: by getting a spy into the adversary's spy agency to rat out their agents.

      If you are saying it's perfectly OK to watch your own house to catch him, are you suggesting the U.S. government should conduct ridiculously illegal massive surveillance on the lives of every single one of its clearance-holding employees? You realize that employees of the government are allowed to live free lives without surveillance of their day-to-day lives... right?

    6. Re:Prison!!! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      If you are saying it's perfectly OK to watch your own house to catch him, are you suggesting the U.S. government should conduct ridiculously illegal massive surveillance on the lives of every single one of its clearance-holding employees? You realize that employees of the government are allowed to live free lives without surveillance of their day-to-day lives... right?

      Actually, no, they aren't...

      If you have someone who is cleared to have knowledge of some very secret stuff, then he/she has to accept that their life and behavior will be watched.

      Does this mean we care if they cheat on their spouse? Yes it does, because that is a possible point of blackmail.

      Does this mean we care if they suddenly drive an expensive car and buy a boat they shouldn't be able to afford? Yes it does, because that money might have come from other governments.

      Now, that surveillance should only come about because the person agreed to the job, took the clearance, and knows it is happening.

    7. Re:Prison!!! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Judging by their post, and the replies of a few others, why yes, yes they *would* be okay with the Stasi, KGB, etc... So long as they believed it was for their own good. Remember, some of the best agents those people had were civilians, after all.

      I watched a documentary (several in a row so I'm not sure which but I think it was titled Gestapo) where a lady ended up in prison for political reasons. After the fall of the Wall and the ensuing disclosures, she learned that it was her husband who had done all the spying, reporting, and testifying against her.

      Yes, fucking-a-right, these people are okay with it. Gotta keep the war up with East Asia, after all. To hell with you, I've got nothing to hide! *sighs*

      *rant mode off*
      Sorry but, you know...

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    8. Re:Prison!!! by gweihir · · Score: 1

      If fall-of-the-wall was in there, then it was the Stasi (hard to keep track of all that fascist scum, I know).

      One important factor of fascism is to make sure the population is mostly in their side. As people are stupid and external enemies can be easily created (just look at the US today, or northern Korea, same principle), this is pretty easy.

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  2. like the truth likes to be kept secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's the godawful punishment for being honest we invented that scares us?

  3. Re:Lack of protection by MagickalMyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If it was important enough he should have been willing to do the time"

    Snowden has publicly stated that he is willing to do time.

    However, had he not taken the course of action that he did then we would not know the extent of government spying and Snowden would be considered just another conspiracy kook making accusations without any hard evidence.

    Snowden did the right thing and took the appropriate measures to do so. We all owe him our gratitude.

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  4. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your expectation is that if you discover wrongdoing, you should be the one to do prison time rather than those responsible?

    There is clear evidence (both claimed by Snowden and confirmed by the NSA) that he did report his concerns to management only to be shot down, unfortunately that was the only path available to him at the time and so the inevitable happened. I for one am grateful that this information was leaked.

    For the record, Snowden has said he would be willing to go to court and face jail time for this IF he could get a fair hearing. It's obvious he would never get this in the US.

  5. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Proper protection would be oversight from a non-military agency with suitable experience in handling secret and top-secret issues. The problem is how do you setup something where a civilian has full access when necessary to classified information of this level.

  6. Re:Lack of protection by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    You're expecting him to trust people that can't be trusted.

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  7. What about Aaron Swartz? Michael Brown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about Aaron Swartz? Should he have been "willing to do the time"?

    What about Michael Brown? Should he have been "willing to do the time"?

    It's easy for you to say that these remarkable men should just "do the time", but the reality is a very different matter.

    1. Re:What about Aaron Swartz? Michael Brown? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      What about Aaron Swartz? Should he have been "willing to do the time"?

      What about Michael Brown? Should he have been "willing to do the time"?

      It's easy for you to say that these remarkable men should just "do the time", but the reality is a very different matter.

      OK, that's the first time I've seen anyone group Michael Brown with people like Aaron Schwartz or Edward Snowden. What was it, again, that you consider "remarkable" about him?. Anyway, according to Baretta, willingness to do the time expresses willingness to do the time.

  8. Re:Lack of protection by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was a lack of protection. If it was important enough he should have been willing to do the time. You can't have individuals deciding what is and what is not a national security secret with no consequence. A legitimate whistleblower protection for reporting to someone in the chain of command (e.g. someone working for Congress on that specific issue) would have been appropriate.

    Except the chain command has no interest in trouble-making whistle blowers. What is needed is a change in culture and attitude on the part of intelligence agencies, so that they are concerned with legality and civil rights and not just the shortest path to the most information. The boosting of the IG's power in this case better include subpoena and arrest power (or however these things work in New Zealand) or I don't see how it will help.

    As to your first point, fuck that. Someone should be willing to have their life ruined in order to expose wrongdoing? That's exactly why more people don't come forward to begin with. I'll agree that is would be chaotic to have everyone deciding whether something should be secret or not. But "national security" and classification have been so abused and used to hide criminality, those who cite it have lost credibility. The speed and altitude capabilities of our newest spy plane? Sure, national security secret. The positions of our troops and battle plans? Absolutely, national security. The fact that the NSA is illegally spying on everyone in contravention of the Constitution? Nope, not national security.

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  9. Impasse by sshir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's an impasse of sorts in Snowden case: in order to serve justice, US needs to modify Espionage Act to allow "public interest defense". But if it is allowed then Snowden's lawyers will pull all the dirt about NSA dealing and the case will escalate to Supreme Court (Snowden has standing after all) were all this shit might be declared unconstitutional. And US government cannot afford that risk, thus no justice for you, Snowden.

    1. Re:Impasse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Having standing and having a crooked judge admit you have standing are very different things.

    2. Re:Impasse by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      And US government cannot afford that risk, thus no justice for you, Snowden.

      There can't be justice, broadly, until the Espionage Act is repealed. The US managed to survive without it up until 1917, and the very worst abuses of said government are protected by it.

      Of course the Espionage Act cannot be repealed without imperiling those in power and their beneficiaries. So, even though it will lead to such a untenable situation that they will eventually lose their power, rapidly, the current system has no mechanism, no relief valve, to allow the situation to wind down gently.

      That's too bad. Madison did his best - Jefferson knew it couldn't be good enough.

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    3. Re:Impasse by khallow · · Score: 1
      Everyone in the business would also be aware of the nasty prosecution and harassment whistleblowers receive. Thus, Snowden took a more effective strategy which allowed him to whistleblow without being dragged through the courts or having his evidence suppressed.

      He's a traitor, not a whistleblower.

      Fuck you.

    4. Re:Impasse by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Snowden refused to follow the procedures established by congress to deal with these things.

      Because they're ineffective. Ask Jeffrey Sterling, Bill Binnie, or John Kiriakou how well that works.

      He's a traitor, not a whistleblower.

      He's a traitor to the government - he's a patriot to the People. Choose wisely.

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    5. Re:Impasse by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Snowden had whistleblower options. Flying to China/Russia and leaking the information to a foreign governments is not blowing the whistle but espionage and treason (during war time at that).

      Because they're ineffective. Ask Jeffrey Sterling, Bill Binnie, or John Kiriakou how well that works.

      Leaking classified information to a journalist is not the same as someone who has the clearance to know the information, and is the designated authority to blow whistles to (congress).

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    6. Re: Impasse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We aren't at war with either China or Russia fuckhead. Nor an official real war elsewhere just various not-wars as dodges.

    7. Re: Impasse by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Who is the fuckhead? Where did I say we were at war with China or Russia? I said we are at war, that makes the treason be a death penalty if the government chooses to persue it that way.

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    8. Re:Impasse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Headline: "Eric Holder: ..."

      Basically as far as anyone need bother reading.

    9. Re:Impasse by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because who else do we listen to about proper legal procedures than the guy in that position explaining them. But I guess you know more about proper whistleblowing procedures for the intelligence community than Eric Holder?

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    10. Re:Impasse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an impasse of sorts in Snowden case: in order to serve justice, US needs to modify Espionage Act to allow "public interest defense".

      Not at all true.

      Congress is not the highest legal authority in the land.

      The Bill of Rights is.

      Everything Snowden did was an exercise of rights either retained by the people under the 9th Amendment, or reserved to them under the 10th. A right of long term public oversight is certainly one of the most fundamental such rights, as is a right to ethical government, and a strong right to privacy, all of which come into play here.

      By definition, rights retained by the people are, well, retained by the people. No government entity can take away such rights, for if one could, they would no longer be retained by the people - a contradiction. No government entity means the president can't take away these rights, the Supreme Court can't take away these rights, and Congress can't take away these rights.

      Hence, it doesn't matter what procedures Congress institutes with respect to whistle-blowers: the right of direct action remains.

      Everybody in law, in law enforcement, in the US military, and in executive government positions has sworn to uphold this, by oaths that are preconditions for holding any position of public trust or responsibility.

      Any lawyer acting to the contrary is in violation of their oath to uphold the Bill of Rights, as would be any law enforcement officer that tried to arrest Snowden. This is a matter of individual responsibility (the kind of thing that the Nuremberg trials were all about).

      The only reason there is any debate on this issue is the US legal profession and the major political parties have a huge vested interest in pretending the 9th and 10th Amendments don't exist. Much of the practice of law in the USA, and the corruption in government and political process, depends on the public not realizing it has rights to both ethical practice of law and to ethical government, all under the highest law in the land.

      The current Snowden situation isn't really about espionage, it's about corruption and ethics problems in government and law, and about vested interests trying to protect their illegal practices.

  10. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    If it was important enough he should have been willing to do the time. You can't have individuals deciding what is and what is not a national security secret with no consequence.

    Looks to me like Snowden found a better way than your approach.

  11. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    People seem to think the national security field is made up of shadowy organizations who are trampling on the constitution every day. In actuality, these organizations are staffed and run by thousands of average Americans who like freedom and our way of life, and aren't going to violate these principles.

    Only people on the outside looking in ever wonder if these organizations have a nefarious goal to violate laws and subvert the constitution. Anyone who's ever worked in military intelligence or national security knows that every person and boss at every level is doing his best to follow all applicable laws, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

  12. Protected disclosure is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if you have a means to report it. Nothing will -ever- happen to stop the activity. The 'system' as a whole has an invested interest in assuring that any such disclosures never lead to actual repercussions. No matter how protected it is, you will be outed as the one who complained and you will be dealt with either by being framed, arrested on some technicality and having the book thrown at you or simply find yourself unable to work in your profession again because apparently you no longer get called in for interviews.

    If you go up against a system you have to expect to be destroyed by that system. Once in while you may succeed in leaving a chip mark and very once in a generation you might win but the odds are worse than powerball. It is better to collude with the system and minimize the damage when you get the chance by maneuvering it to believe that such routes are a better path to more money/power/etc.

    1. Re:Protected disclosure is useless by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is more or less, what Tom Drake said. Drake, who was a high level NSA official, started to address the agency's illegal activities by going through proper channels. When that failed, he and others within the NSA, leaked information to the NY Times while being very careful to limit the disclosures to things that were not too sensitive but still showed illegal activity. There were congressional hearings and the NSA denied everything. They got away with it because Drake's leaks did not include enough detailed evidence. At this point, they could have cut back those activities, which they had denied doing (but were, in fact, doing) because the process clearly pointed them out as illegal and unwanted by the American public. That's where Snowden came in and provided the detailed evidence. I think that no small part of his decision to flee had to do with creating a dramatic effect. His being on the run helps to keep the issue in the public spotlight. If that stops working, he may choose some opportune time to turn himself in if it can be done for further dramatic effect. So, I think there is actually some benefit for a whistleblower, like Snowden, to break the law to the point of an act of civil disobedience. Meanwhile, Tom Drake was protected as a whistleblower although he had a tough time with his legal defence for a while.

    2. Re:Protected disclosure is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple NSA whistleblowers had enormous pressure brought against them. First they lost their jobs, then nutso charges were brought against them. It doesn't much matter that there's no substance to the legal activity; the real points are to:

      1). Send a message to everyone else in the organization: This is what we do to whistleblowers;
      2). Damage the credibility of the information disclosed by attacking the person. It's cheaper and more effective than denying the evidence;
      3). Try to destroy the will of the whistleblower. If you can cause a nervous breakdown, or bankrupt them, or split their relationships, that's all great stuff;
      4). Also damage or destroy the future employability of the whistleblower. Multiple benefits here, including increasing the financial pressure, isolating them personally and professionally, make it clear that the individual cannot fight the machine;
      5). Drag the whole show on for as long as possible. The Company has much deeper pockets than any single person. Buy a fleet of lawyers and argue ever little procedural nuance. You are trying to wait out the hapless whistleblower;
      6). Go on a witchhunt. If you can dig up any dirt on the whistleblower that's perfect. Minor transgressions bulk up the case against. Rules that no one ever followed are suddenly dusted off and applied to maximum effect;
      7). Try to force an agreed settlement. If you can get the whistleblower to agree they did anything, literally anything, you've got all the ammunition you need to destroy their reputation.
      8). Finally, deny, deny, deny. Never admit that the Company did anything wrong no matter what. Even if it's a full-on lie and is later proven to be so, you can always plead that "everyone was doing it" and you were a loyal soldier to the cause. Your alleged patriotism will shield you from any real consequences.

  13. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can't have individuals deciding what is and what is not a national security secret with no consequence.

    That includes NSA. Just because you are working for a government agency you can't just say that anything is a national security secret and decide to not make it public.

    The good thing is that you don't need to.
    All that is needed is that government agencies stops doing anything illegal and/or unethical. Then it won't be necessary employees to make the public aware of said events and a simple NDA would be sufficient to keep secrets.

    TL;DR; If you have legitimate secrets, make sure that you don't commit crimes, because criminals doesn't have a right to keep secrets.

  14. New Zealand by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Perhaps New Zealand could offer Mr. Snowden citizenship as he has shown that he is willing to suffer for the public good. People do have the right to know and the cowardly posture of the US in dreading any potential event is silly. To be part of this world both as individuals and as nations we have to be abl;e to accept some level of risk. No nation has ever had perfect security and the US has gone way too far in that regard.

    1. Re:New Zealand by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Perhaps New Zealand could offer Mr. Snowden citizenship as he has shown that he is willing to suffer for the public good.

      Is New Zealand that bad?

      Fight for your bitcoins!

    2. Re:New Zealand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be crazy. New Zealand is one of the closest allies of the U.S., especially in the field of national security and intelligence.

    3. Re:New Zealand by Mistakill · · Score: 1

      As a Kiwi, our PM John Key has stated the will of his US masters that Snowden isn't welcome here

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa...

  15. US has protections, its just convoluted by Zeorge · · Score: 1

    In regards to Snowden, unless you can find a congressman or senator to help and forge away ahead for you, you have nothing. Plenty of other resources for other branches of the government, even for commercial businesses.

  16. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Citation needed.

  17. Re:Lack of protection by tsqr · · Score: 1

    The problem is how do you setup something where a civilian has full access when necessary to classified information of this level.

    You don't. The issue isn't civilian vs. military or government. The issue is that regardless of an individual's security clearance level, access is based on being "read in" to the program in question AND upon having an established need-to-know. I have personally worked on a number of classified programs, but I only had access to information that was pertinent to doing my job.

  18. Re:Lack of protection by oldmac31310 · · Score: 0

    Yeah right...

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  19. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Your anecdote isn't even close to being of the same magnitude, and without a verifiable source you are a lying shit.

  20. It wasn't lack of protections that worried Snowden by ShooterNeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As several news articles have pointed out, the very same man who Snowden saw lying to Congress about the extent of the spying would have been the one Snowden would ultimately be reporting to, were he to report his concerns. Sure, they might have then fired Snowden as a result - but it's also entirely possible they wouldn't. The main thing is, there was no chance whatsoever that the NSA would decide to come clean and tell the truth because a junior IT guy pointed out they were lying. They knew they were lying at much higher levels and were ok with that.

  21. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1266777/exclusive-snowden-safe-hong-kong-more-us-cyberspying-details-revealed?page=all

    From the first week of Snowden revealing himself in Hong Kong, during a time when he still didn't know if he was going to be fucked by the Chinese and extradited back to the U.S.

  22. Re:Lack of protection by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Troll

    You can't have individuals deciding what is and what is not a national security secret with no consequence.

    You're not talking about Hillary Clinton are you? You probably should. Those Damn eMails.

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  23. Re:Lack of protection by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    There was a lack of protection. If it was important enough he should have been willing to do the time.

    He shouldn't have to. That's why we need protection.

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  24. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    see the problem is if you dont make a responsible avenue for disclosure, this is what happens. Causes far more damage to hide all the gov't wrong doing, than to provide whitsleblower provisions. Because we do not have them, it encourages people like snowden to go to Russia and China and disclose,
      so it would be prudent to protect snowden and people like him against the abuses of government. Unfortunately the gov't ass is stuck so far up its ass (notice no brains just ass) that they would rather silence everything and maintain this illusion of 'responsibility', what sad times we live in.

  25. Re:Lack of protection by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    When the chain of command is ignoring the law, there is no fucking point in reporting to the chain of command ... they're the problem, which pretty much means they can't be part of the solution.

    The problem with this is that they all knew damned well they were operating well beyond what they were allowed to, and weren't going to do anything about it -- other than keeping doing it.

    The the agencies are deciding what is legal and what isn't with no consequence, it's time to stop trusting the agencies with deciding what is legal and what isn't.

    "Legitimate whistleblower protection" has to include the fact that the people in charge ARE the damned problem. Because in this case, they were. And trusting them to fix the problem would mean they'd bury it, and nothing would change.

    Sorry, when the system is that broken, you can't rely on the system to fix the problem.

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  26. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who's ever worked in military intelligence or national security knows that every person and boss at every level is doing his best to follow all applicable laws, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

    If that were true, there wouldn't have been anything for Snowden to leak.

    Or perhaps there would have only been one instance of a single wrongdoing that needed to be reported to someone somewhere.

    The sheer volume of what Snowden leaked is proof that you are a naive fool.

  27. Rule: Public = Whistle Blower by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting
    With very few exceptions (see below) real espionage is NOT done publicly. Russian/Chinese/ISIS etc. spies don't break into X secret government and then publish for the world to see. It simply isn't done that way.

    Why? Because such disclosure defeats the most important goal which is to not let the victims know they have been owned. If the victim knows they were owned, they fix the hole and you can't do it again. No temporary knowledge is ever worth what you can get next year and the one after that.

    If you go public, then you are almost always not engaged in espionage, you are a Whistle Blower.

    The few exceptions are the revelations of specific details such as plans on how to build top secret physical objects, copies of top secret computer code, or the names of undercover agents. That type of information should never be disclosed, not even publicly.

    General methods, avenues of attack, etc. simply do deserve the same level of protection. The fact that we do X is never really secret, no matter what the government says.

    Part of it is the reputation issue. China's main problem is that they care more about their politicians' reputation than what the politicians are doing.

    America should NEVER make that mistake - what someone actually does is always far more important than their reputation - and that includes the reputation of government agencies.

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  28. Re:Lack of protection by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These organizations are staffed and run by thousands of average Americans who like freedom and our way of life... every person and boss at every level is doing his best to follow all applicable laws, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

    So, don't take this the wrong way, but: Do you actually know any people? Have you ever had a job?

    Because none of that is how being an employee works. If there's no accountability, people just surf the internet all day. If there is some kind of accountability, people do their best to keep their immediate supervisor happy, so that they don't get fired. If the accountability system is measurement-based, and most are, that means maximizing your "performance", which means maximizing some statistic about how you do your job. If any part of your job can't be measured, you can't be held accountable for it.

    In most fields, the employee is under no pressure to break laws, because the laws are irrelevant. If you're writing software, for instance, it's pretty hard to accidentally break a law by typing a semicolon in the wrong place. So the laws don't interfere with you maximizing your measured performance.

    But when you work for law enforcement? There are hundreds of laws designed specifically to get in your way. You have to work around them constantly. Law officers resent these laws, much as a computer programmer might resent bugs in the underlying operating system. So the natural inclination is to work around them. And they do, because there's often no reason not to.

    Because how do you measure the statistic "laws adhered to, in spirit and in letter"? It's hard. Usually you can't. So nobody measures it. So people aren't held accountable for it. But the employee is still under pressure to maximize some other stats, and these laws prevent them from doing that. That is, following the laws lowers their measured performance, which has a negative effect on their employment. Breaking the laws, on the other hand, has no effect on their employment.

    So laws get broken. It happens every day.

  29. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The sheer volume of what Snowden leaked is proof that you are a naive fool.

    Revealing details of the metadata program that collected phone numbers from domestic carriers? You can make a whistleblowing claim here. I supported Snowden during the first 1-2 weeks after he revealed himself, because I want to protect the constitution and values we live by here in the U.S.

    But what else has Snowden revealed as time went on? The whistleblowing material dried up very quickly... Snowden revealed detailed information beyond just generalities on the following topics:

    That the U.S. government intercepts routers and other hardware going to foreign governments, and implants spy devices on them... not whistleblowing.

    That the U.S. government taps undersea cables, sometimes with host government permission... not whistleblowing.

    That the U.S. government spies on leaders of foreign governments, like Angela Merkel... not whistleblowing.

    That the U.S. government hacks into Chinese computer systems... not whistleblowing.

    That the U.S. government has many specific tools for infiltrating foreign government computer systems... not whistleblowing.

    Again, he didn't just reveal "that these things are happening". The documents he leaked (now numbering in the several thousands of publicly released documents according to Cryptome) go into specific detail about these programs and how they work. This is information that would have been better left secret so the U.S. government could do its legitimate job against foreign governments: collecting their intelligence, and catching their spies trying to do the same to us.

  30. Re:It wasn't lack of protections that worried Snow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Snowden had several legal options he chose to ignore. Every employee that works around protected data is briefed on legal paths of whistle-blowing that are outside of the chain of command. Legal reporting has protection against reprisal and isn't treason. He could have presented his case to IG, FBI, Congress, Congressional Committees and Sub-Committees... There were hundreds of routes available that did not entail dumping classified data out to the public that placed lives at risk and would not be considered treason. The public surveillance part of the data dump was only a small portion of what he stole. This small section has everyone upset and calling him a hero, while the majority of what he stole had nothing to do with his claim of "public good."

    So no, he did not have to report to that one guy. His work was a calculated play to get public support.

  31. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    In actuality, these organizations are staffed and run by thousands of average Americans who like freedom and our way of life, and aren't going to violate these principles.

    Sorry, we aren't dupes. If these organizations want to be treated with respect, then they should stop violating laws and subverting the constitution, stop with the secret courts, the universal spying, the undermining of the US high tech industry, and the harsh punishment of whistleblowers.

  32. Re: Lack of protection by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 1

    But individuals DO decide. The director of the NSA is an individual. He makes decisions about what things are secrets, and what things aren't. Sometimes he consults with the President on it. He decides what, if anything, to tell Congress. The NSA isn't a democratic institution, it's military, and it doesn't make decisions based on consensus. We shouldn't want it to. However, Congress abandoned oversight of intelligence a long time ago. In that vacuum, we have whistleblowers.

  33. Legal Wrongdoing Is The Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NSA warrentless wiretapping was not illegal. It had been approved by Congress, the FISA court, and The President. Reporting through channels is pointless because an Inspector General can not overrule all three branches of government.

    Snowden's claim was that the American people would not tolerate this. He has been proven right. A majority of Congress, The President, and some federal judges have agreed that the 215 program must stop.

    Even Michael Hayden (of the CIA and NSA) said the same thing the other day. He said, "The 215 program had the consent of the governors, but not the consent of the governed." This is a critical point. Democracy can not function when voters are kept in the dark about things government does that might outrage the voters. They can't throw out politicians who have done outrageous things if their actions are secret. Obtaining the explicit consent of the government must override all laws.

    So, how is a whistleblower supposed to blow the whistle legally, when he is reporting something the public needs to know, but which the entire government said is legal?

  34. Re: It wasn't lack of protections that worried Sno by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 1

    Or they would respond like they did to Thomas Drake and try to put him in solitary for the rest of his life.

  35. Judicial process needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because they decided to redefine "search" as "grab everything, data mine it, and say its only searched if a person reads it personally" does not mean they can get away with it.

    The failure is in the judicial oversight.

  36. stop dreaming by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

    appropriate protections, for disclosing information about suspected wrongdoing (PDF) within an intelligence and security agency

    Disclosing "within the intelligence agency" would have been pointless; it would simply have been swept under the rug, protections or not.

    The only thing Snowden could do with this information is disclose it publicly if he felt it was sufficiently important, and if he was willing to pay the personal price and hope for leniency eventually. That's what he did. Now, you may agree or disagree with his decision, but there really are not a whole lot of options to change this process.

  37. Re: Lack of protection by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 2

    So you're not willing to trust Snowden, nor are you willing to trust the journalists like Greenwald that he spoke to in Hong Kong, but you're willing to trust a Chinese state-run newspaper?

  38. Tell it to the Marines, Junior by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

    Got any idea how many cops have been decertified and/or imprisoned in the US lately? Police work, like the intel services, ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE UTTER DOUCHEBAGS. Maybe MOST people are just average Americans, with a tendency to defend freedom - but you've also got a bunch of douchebags.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article...

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  39. Re:It wasn't lack of protections that worried Snow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YUP!!!
    Internal whistleblowing programs do ONE thing and ONE thing only, BURY THE PROBLEM INTERNALLY!!!
    Government should not have any secrets, otherwise they're against you the people.
    Which, by the way, they obviously are.

  40. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll bite - I AM a former employee of the NSA, and I can tell you this:

    During our training there was an awful lot of winking taking place. Like, "It is against the law for us to copy American targets, so if we end up accidentally copying something from an American it is our responsibility to stop immediately and move on. "

    Of course, this was back in the pre-internet days, so surely they've gotten MORE (and not less) responsible, right?

    Not only that but a quick google search will show you that you are definitively wrong - from election shenanigans perpetrated by the Fed to small pockets of NSA employees targeting specific people (remember the IRS fiasco(s)?).

    If you believe that the United States Government has any motivation to protect your privacy, you're delusional. If you think that the people that the NSA hires are "more ethical" than the usual band of idiots, you are also delusional and that's just a little bit sad.

    A healthy dose of paranoia would do you some good. What they are doing is not right. It's not right even under the heading of "protecting Freedom!!!", if only because it flies in the face of the stated goal.

  41. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't like my *wink wink* that iput in after "...and move on.", but it's there. I promise.

  42. Re:Lack of protection by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    What is needed is a change in culture and attitude on the part of intelligence agencies, so that they are concerned with legality and civil rights and not just the shortest path to the most information.

    Anyone who has ever worked in national security can tell you every military and civilian intel agency is extremely careful about the legality of their actions and protecting the civil rights of Americans.

    If you only read Glenn Greenwald-esque editorials and opinion pieces, then it's no wonder you have an extremely skewed view of the issues.

    I work in a classified environment. You are right that people are concerned with what is legal. But people like Thomas Drake and William Binney might take issue with the idea they are concerned about civil rights. Oh sure, the rank and file are. But we are talking about the top brass here. You know, the guys who lie to Congress.

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  43. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you just made the argument that the US spying on the foreigners is legitimate, but the foreigners spying on the US is illegitimate? Sweet! :D

  44. Re: Lack of protection by NRAisFreedom · · Score: 1

    Hmm, regardless of what Snowden said or supposedly exposed there... Are you somehow trying to grab a moral high ground for the US? As in, US spying and hacking attempts into Chinese systems are OK but Chinese hacking attempts into US systems is not...especially when no information to date has been brought forward to justify the US hacking attempts?

  45. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    Dude, I work in civilian intelligence, and I worked in military intelligence for years before that.

    So you don't have any relevant experience with the parts of the NSA that are alleged to be out of control.

    Anybody who has worked in government intelligence can tell you their internal accountability system is strong

    They can also tell me that it is weak. Snowden incidentally told me that.

    they are very strict about following all applicable laws and the constitution in any situation where U.S. citizens could be collected on.

    An assertion which seems to be at odds with actual evidence.

  46. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He went from a possible heroes(sic) to a coward and traitor with his actions.

    Whereas you've just gone from a possible participant in a discussion to a blazing idiot at odds with reality with your troll fantasies. Do some research to find out what real heroes do. Get informed or get out.

  47. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody made that argument.

  48. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You willing to provide citations over SIPR or are you just full of shit?

  49. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What amazingly torturous devotion to the gutter mob dedicated to the demonization of a real American heroic.

  50. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wha...what? People like Snowden DON'T disclose. That's part of the point. Your refusal to accept it is really tiresome.

  51. Re:Rule: Public = Whistle Blower by PPH · · Score: 1

    It simply isn't done that way.

    Sometimes it is.

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  52. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol if u pull the other nutball there's some dickcheese to go along with it ;)

  53. Re:Lack of protection by chihowa · · Score: 1

    An AC demanding proof of authenticity... that's rich.

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  54. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you somehow trying to grab a moral high ground for the US? As in, US spying and hacking attempts into Chinese systems are OK but Chinese hacking attempts into US systems is not...

    Nobody said that.

    especially when no information to date has been brought forward to justify the US hacking attempts?

    Intelligence collection against foreign governments is always justified.

  55. Re: Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    To expand on this: Every government hacks into other governments; only the Chinese use it for the financial benefit of their own corporations.

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  56. Re: Lack of protection by NRAisFreedom · · Score: 1

    Interesting.... So other countries hacking into US systems are justified under the guise of "intelligence collection against foreign gov'ts"? Is that the premise here?

  57. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 0

    There is clear evidence (both claimed by Snowden and confirmed by the NSA) that he did report his concerns to management only to be shot down, unfortunately that was the only path available to him at the time and so the inevitable happened. I for one am grateful that this information was leaked.

    Bull Shit.

    There is clear evidence that Snowden DID NOT report any concerns.

    https://news.vice.com/article/...

    The government published all the emails they could find and only one of them was a question, and it was about procedural questions having to do with a training class about the authorities the NSA works under.

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  58. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't every voting, taxpaying citizen of the US "need-to-know" what personal information the government maintains on them and how it is used? How else are we supposed to have informed policy debates?

  59. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Nobody has ever made that argument, every country spies, it is only China that spies for economic purposes, this is why the US criticizes them for it.

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  60. Re:Lack of protection by davester666 · · Score: 1

    Except even if he was fully protected, guaranteed his job if he only went through 'proper channels', the other side is that EXACTLY NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED with what he reported. Everyone above him was fine with what they were doing.

    The only way anything would have changed is by going public, and they will NEVER offer any kind of protection for doing that.

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  61. American revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could the actors of the American Revolution act via existing royal channels? Certainly not. History does not work like this, unfortunately.

  62. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not interesting and there is no premise, it's just fucking fascist bullshit.

  63. Re:Lack of protection by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

    "If it was important enough he should have been willing to do the time"

    Snowden has publicly stated that he is willing to do time.

    However, had he not taken the course of action that he did then we would not know the extent of government spying and Snowden would be considered just another conspiracy kook making accusations without any hard evidence.

    Snowden did the right thing and took the appropriate measures to do so. We all owe him our gratitude.

    I agree he did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons. I personally think he did this because he is under the misguided opinion that the US can be fixed, he didn't know the half of it, how far back it goes or exactly what and who it involves. I unfortunately do not share his opinion. Technically information that is classified is done so by a sovereign nation, not one being run by outside interests of those that amount to be a batch of asshole closet case communist pedophiles that were responsible for installing Adolf Hitler and bringing about WWII. As far as sovereignty is concerned in the US, you might just want to take a glance of the Wikileaks release on the TPP deal while waving goodbye to the petro dollar. Bush Sr. did tell Jr. 'Do not go in there' for good reason, and say hello to the life style imposed on those in South Africa by the same batch of assholes mentioned above.

  64. Re:Lack of protection by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

    Correction, not closet communists, closet case thieving Nazi's. This does not implicate Russia, they were US allies during WWII.

  65. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bite - I AM a former employee of the NSA, and I can tell you this:

    During our training there was an awful lot of winking taking place. Like, "It is against the law for us to copy American targets, so if we end up accidentally copying something from an American it is our responsibility to stop immediately and move on."

    Smells like bullshit. This doesn't sound anything like the language the NSA uses internally, and nobody there takes this "spying on Americans" stuff so nonchalantly. Even Snowden's own documents explicitly show strong NSA pushback against the Bush administration wanting to slightly loosen the restrictions against one-end-inside-the-U.S. surveillance of foreign communications.

  66. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't prove we don't do this as well. In fact, I'd argue that we already do.. We do already know from Snowden and Channing that we spy on foreign governments and foreign corporations for "Foreign Policy" purposes. That, in and of itself, is for the benefit of US Corporations.

  67. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1, Troll

    then they should stop violating laws and subverting the constitution

    It has not been ruled that they did. The justification that was published had to do with pen registers. Also, getting a warrant satisfies the constitution, it doesn't matter which court is used for that warrant.

    stop with the secret courts

    Who else would you use that can see the secret information to determine if the warrant should be given?

    the universal spying

    the undermining of the US high tech industry

    So, stop doing the job that they are asked to do by the government? The NSA is a spying agency, sorry to burst your bubble.

    and the harsh punishment of whistleblowers.

    No whistleblower has ever been harmed by the NSA. Disclosing secret and top secret information to foreign governments is not whistleblowing, it is treason. Snowden chose not to blow the whistle and instead commit treason, he is being charged with the crimes he committed.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    If Snowden wanted to be a whistleblower, he should have taken his concerns to congress, not foreign governments.

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  68. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'm the queen of Jupiter. The US government has been caught numerous times committing industrial espionage and funneling the results to private companies. In addition to the clear immortality of doing so in the first place it amounts to embezzlement from the US government by providing illegal services for free. It isn't even something remotely justifiable like stealing defense intelligence and funneling it to R&D companies to learn how to replicate and counter the tech of rival powers.

    In a deep irony China is being more honest since at least they have majority government ownership of the companies!

  69. Re: Lack of protection by NRAisFreedom · · Score: 1

    Fascist BS...? Not sure how to take that comment, nonetheless, the big picture of justification for actions has to be addressed whether it's spying on foreign gov'ts or domestic spying regarding one's own citizenry. Do you not agree? If there is past unjustified intrusions from specific gov'ts, that discussion of "intelligence collection" is legitimate for debate. This should be on everyone's mind since we live in a Constitutionally protected/governed country. Just to head off any confusion, I am not suggesting that our Constitution expands beyond our borders nor does it encompass non-US citizens.

  70. Re: Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Links? Proof? I have never heard of a single instance.

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  71. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Citation please? You say the US government has been caught numerous times. That means you have proof, of course. Convictions of the personnel involved, without a doubt, since such activity is illegal.

    And oh, yes, nothing before WWII, since back in the age of imperialism, it was literally every country that could that did that, since local economy WAS power.

    I await your undoubtedly speedy release of your proof, since it is so obvious.

  72. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the law says it is the responsibility of the NSA employees (not contractors) to make sure stuff is properly classified.
    Take it up with Congress a few generations back, when the classification system was developed, if you don't like the law. Everyone will laugh at you, though - because your idea is stupid.

  73. Re:Lack of protection by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

    This just in: Person with proof of massive government wrongdoing smeared by government!

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  74. Not Sure Any Systemic Protection Would Be Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US chain of command was entirely p0wned by people who disrespected the constitution. This is the real lesson of Snowden. No internal whistleblower protection, no Inspector General, no insider system or person would have made it safe for Snowden to come forward. Multiple others tried and all were attacked as though they were the problem. The full apparatus of government took the position that they would violate the constitution and do "what they felt" had to be done. It shakes your faith entirely in the notion of a system of laws.

    I'm sure some still believe in an "independent" ombudsman, or something similar. I don't. All are ultimately public servants and beholden to the civil service, the Office of the President, and can be controlled/influenced/pressured. It would take an act of self-sacrifice comparable to Snowden's own, for any civil servant to stand up to the full power and influence of the President. Yes, some might try, but some wouldn't. And most would fail. In the aftermath of 9/11 I feel confident that any insider would fail.

    The system proved that it can be owned by personalities and abandon long-held and cherished value systems.

  75. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    This just in, nothing will make Shadow of Eternity happy until everything burns.

    They released every piece of correspondence they could find from Snowden, they would love to point to an instance where he tried to report it and the system failed, however, he never did. But of course, you are so anti government, that they could release every email he ever sent and it wouldn't make you happy.

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  76. Re:It wasn't lack of protections that worried Snow by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    None of those routes would have resulted in anything but "complaint dismissed because the NSA's internal investigation says they did no wrong."

    In fact, other NSA employees before Snowden did blow the whistle...

  77. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    not whistleblowing only if you think the rest of the world is a piece of shit that doesn't matter, and everyone's rights aren't worth anything, as well as the international agreements the US signed to (Universal Declaration of Human Rights). The US did violate international law it signed to, it is whistleblowing even if you have complete disregard for foreigners laws, constitutions, rights...

    You sir are scum.

  78. The problem is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that everyone that Snowden might have talked to in government thinks what occurred is OK. Ellsberg apparently talked to Sen. Fulbright, seemingly the best hope within government, but that wasn't helpful—he had to go public. NZ would face the same thing—that in extreme cases whistle-blowing to anyone short of the public is useless.

  79. Re:Lack of protection by joss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Something was rotten in the state of denmark.

    Snowden's revelations caused a huge shakeup in the intelligence community. Such as a federal judge ruling that the NSAs blanket collection was unconstitutional. If things were right beforehand, none of this would have happened
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

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  80. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    Who else would you use that can see the secret information to determine if the warrant should be given?

    Myself, for starters. If it can't be revealed to the public at all, it's not a legal warrant in my view.

    So, stop doing the job that they are asked to do by the government? The NSA is a spying agency, sorry to burst your bubble.

    Of course. Stop the job and maybe put a few people in prison after a public trial, of course.

    No whistleblower has ever been harmed by the NSA. Disclosing secret and top secret information to foreign governments is not whistleblowing, it is treason. Snowden chose not to blow the whistle and instead commit treason, he is being charged with the crimes he committed.

    Fuck you. This lie keeps going. You don't like how Snowden treated the NSA, then don't let the NSA treat whistleblowers like traitors.

    If Snowden wanted to be a whistleblower, he should have taken his concerns to congress, not foreign governments.

    His way worked. Your way didn't.

  81. No, no it is not always justifiable by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Depending on the methods used and the foreign government there may be times where it is not justified.

    For Example, hacking the phone of the head of state for a friendly nation was BS and was not justifiable for US Intelligence to do.

  82. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Edward Snowden specifically did not blow the whistle. He was trained on the proper method to blow the whistle, and Eric Holder details that method in the article I linked. Whistleblowers don't run to foreign governments that are just as bad or worse at freedom, and in the intelligence industry, people know you take it to congress who has oversight of the intelligence agencies. He chose to run to China, who would disappear someone who did what he did, then to Russia that has killed people for speaking out against the government. Yeah, he is real heroic, running to the people who are so much worse than what he is running from.

    Of course. Stop the job and maybe put a few people in prison after a public trial, of course.

    Why would ANYONE go to jail for spying? What do you think spy agencies are for? This is literally what we formed the NSA and CIA to do. The NSA also is tasked with securing the US Governments communications, but they are primarily a foreign intelligence agency. Their entire job is to spy on other governments to prevent them doing harm to the US.

    Myself, for starters. If it can't be revealed to the public at all, it's not a legal warrant in my view.

    So, according to you, we should compromise Top Secret information in order to get permission to stop a plot to hurt people/destroy shit in the US? I am so glad that you have no power, because you have no idea how this works or how it should work. Sources and methods are not meant to be revealed to the general public, as once they are revealed, they are useless in the future. You would have the predicessor of the NSA telling the world that the Enigma was broken in order to get permission to use the information, what kind of freaking moron makes that argument? If Germany found out that the Allies broke Enigma, World War 2 likely would have gone their way.

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  83. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

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    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  84. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  85. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

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    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

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    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  86. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  87. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  88. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  89. Re:Lack of protection by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    What is needed is a change in culture and attitude on the part of intelligence agencies, so that they are concerned with legality and civil rights and not just the shortest path to the most information.

    Anyone who has ever worked in national security can tell you every military and civilian intel agency is extremely careful about the legality of their actions and protecting the civil rights of Americans.

    If you only read Glenn Greenwald-esque editorials and opinion pieces, then it's no wonder you have an extremely skewed view of the issues.

    Bullshit, I have personally experienced the willingness to twist/interpret something to make it appear legal, not something I was involved with but think about Abu Ghraib Prison and the US Army classifying the events. The laws regarding classification specifically state that classification cannot be used to hide embarrassing information so the classification authority used the tortured logic that if this EMBARRASSING information became public it would endanger US troops (absolutely true) but the real reason it was dangerous is because it was EMBARASSING and it was classified because it was EMBARRASSING.

    Or the whole parallel construction crap. I definitely don't believe all the stories but I guarantee that cops are tipped off from illegal information to stop a certain vehicle for any reason possible (broken tail light/illegal lane change/didn't signal trun) and then get permission to search the car and you will find something.

  90. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  91. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  92. One Problem by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    They will get some lawyer to right a secret opinion that what they are doing is legal then point to the secret opinion paper that they can't show you that what they are doing is legal. Oh, can't show you the paper because what we are doing is legal because what we are doing is secret but trust us we have the opinion paper.

    Waterboarding not being torture, yeah right.

  93. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  94. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  95. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  96. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  97. Coren22, Thomas Drake TRIED that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - look where it got him! Thomas Drake, William Binney, Russell Tice, Mark Klein, Tim Clemente (even Bradley Manning as messed up as he is poor dude) & Edward Snowden... THEY ALL GOT "MESSED WITH" by the 'Good Government', former employees of theirs & US PEOPLE!

    * Man, are you an NSA/GCHQ for hire damage control man?

    APK

    P.S.=> Just answer that since I've shot you the fuck down on this too... apk

    1. Re:Coren22, Thomas Drake TRIED that by Coren22 · · Score: 0

      In November 2005, Drake contacted Siobhan Gorman of The Baltimore Sun newspaper, sending her emails through Hushmail and discussing various topics.

      Thomas Drake leaked classified information to a journalist because he didn't like how the investigation was going.

      William Binney was never charged, just investigated...you know like the police/FBI are supposed to do by law?

      He later admitted that he was one of the sources for the 2005 New York Times reporting on the wiretapping activities.

      So, Russ Tice also went to a journalist rather than the proper channels.

      Mark Klein went to journalists, and as far as I can tell never was charged or investigated

      Did you mean: tim clement
      The page "Tim Clemente" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.

      And finally, Bradley Manning leaked a huge amount of diplomatic cables, where was the whistleblowing in that? He committed treason.

      Edward Snowden is the worst of the bunch, he brought secrets to China and Russia to buy asylum, how is that not treason?

      All above quotes are from the Wikipedia articles about these people.

      * Man, are you an NSA/GCHQ for hire damage control man?

      No, I just know the procedures.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  98. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  99. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  100. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  101. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  102. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  103. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  104. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  105. Coren22, tell us about Thomas Drake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, this link & TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF TOO here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> I am going to single-handedly tear you up boy for f'ing with me... apk

    1. Re:Coren22, tell us about Thomas Drake by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Feel free to try, I am still waiting for anything you have said to be proven. Where has anyone followed the procedures from my link that Eric Holder went over, and been prosecuted?

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:Coren22, tell us about Thomas Drake by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Cohen22 and apk are the same person: I confirmed this by using their hosts file. And something about AD and DNS.

    3. Re:Coren22, tell us about Thomas Drake by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I needed a good laugh.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    4. Re:Coren22, tell us about Thomas Drake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to agree. Coren22's many technical blunders against apk make apk look credible. Coren's lies do too.

  106. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  107. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  108. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  109. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  110. After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: However Drake did try proper channels as I said (saw his interview on YouTube) - the others I just noted as folks who worked for the gov't. that got f'd with (which is WHY Drake alone was in my subject).

    (LEARN TO READ & QUIT THE 'doubletalk'!)

    Plus, after you LIED about me http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ?

    THINK I BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY? Think ANYONE here does?? Guess again...

    APK

    P.S.=> LMAO - YOU CAN'T EVEN KEEP YOUR WORD:

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    THAT WAS EARLIER TODAY NO LESS!

    (ALZHEIMERS or is it Aspergers 'brain damage' that you have? Either way, you can't hold your word OR tell the truth)... apk

    1. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You flew off the handle when I hinted you might have schizophrenia, that I was no doctor and had absolutely no right to do such a thing, and yet here you are doing the exact same thing to someone else. I just thought I'd remind you, so you don't make the same mistake in the future.

    2. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Ok, lets go through this thread so I can show you where you lost your argument.

      Up here, I link the exact method that is legally allowed for Whistleblowers in the intelligence community.
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      You then reply with a bunch of people, ONE of which actually used that procedure (then went on to leak to a journalist), many of which BROKE THE LAW. You then wonder why they are being persecuted. Maybe because they didn't follow the procedures that are allowed to them, and instead went to journalists?
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      I listed every single one of them off, and quotes straight out of Wikipedia which you can see yourself.
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      Your response is that you can't believe me because of the "lies" I have told about you? You don't even have an account, so anyone can claim to be APK, but I am the one lying about what you say?

      Perhaps you should learn how to have a civil discourse, oh, and stop shit posting like you have won any argument, you have noticed I haven't responded to a single one of your shit posts haven't you? I said I wouldn't respond to your trolling comments, and I have not. Here are examples of the trolling comments so you can understand the difference:
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      All of them within 4 minutes total, all of them exactly duplicated around 20 times, all of them refuted arguments that you won't let go. All of them laced with insults, like that somehow makes your argument win. You have to shit post everything I post like that will suddenly make your offtopic arguments win.

      I have held my word, I haven't responded to any of the trolling posts you made, but it is entirely up to you if you will continue the stupid insults in every single post. You can have a civil discussion, I will discuss any topic you like that is on topic, but it is up to you if you are willing to improve.

      BTW, Asperger's, which is not brain damage doesn't even exist as a diagnosis anymore. It is a differently structured brain, a subcategory of Autism. Very likely, with the way you act, you have a far worse case than I do, but I am not a psychiatrist which you so clearly need.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      He is actually quoting me from the article yesterday about Autism Spectrum Disorders in STEM, I admitted to being diagnosed as Asperger's Syndrome when I was in Middle/High school. He seems to think calling it brain damage will reduce me in everyone's eyes, but the funny thing is that probably around 50% of the people on Slashdot are also Autism Spectrum, so he is really alienating many of the people here, and likely insulting himself too.

      It doesn't bother me, because I frankly don't see it as all that big a deal, I do find it funny that it is the only argument he can give against my refutation of his point. :)

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    4. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't hold to your word. None of your bs you spewed changes it. You don't dare respond to apk's other posts which show you're nothing but a weak trolling jerk. Coren22 Thomas Drake followed procedure bullshit. That's why all the others don't trust the system and don't use it. Who are you fooling other than yourself? It's only a matter of time before search engines pick up on his posts and then you'll get a dose of your own medicine and you won't be able to do anything about the truth about you. I love how you're attempting to tell us that your abnormal brain is normal. It's clearly not. You're also delusional thinking it is.

    5. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Thomas Drake followed procedure bullshit.

      Then, when the procedure didn't proceed exactly like he wanted, he committed a crime and revealed the information to a journalist. When you choose to ignore proper procedures and break the law, do you often get surprised when you get arrested?

      APK, as others have said, no one thinks this isn't you, we all know it is you posting supporting yourself. Stop deluding yourself that you are winning some kind of argument here, you have failed to make a point, and keep harping on it somehow missing the response. No matter how many times you bring up Thomas Drake, you haven't addressed that he went on to not use the procedures available to him, and decided instead to break the law, then got smacked down for breaking the law.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    6. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and also,

      You don't dare respond to apk's other posts which show you're nothing but a weak trolling jerk

      No, I don't respond to your other posts because I already have addressed every one of them, you just don't care and will continue to post the same crap over and over to try and prove yourself right rather than actually responding to the points I made.

      Plus, if you actually wanted a response to any of them, you would stop the needless ad hominem, the trollish repetition and lack of actual points. When you want to discuss these things without all the attacks and bullshit, I will be here waiting.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    7. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see lies you say about apk on ad/dns. Quotes of you show it. His words to the contrary from long ago prove you wrong and that you lied. I also see you making an error on administrative privelege and he made you admit you were wrong too. Then you tried libeling him like some childish idiot would out of spite? Come on. Grow up. We all can read and make our own decisions as I have. I have decided you are reprehensible. I am certain most others will agree and apk's making sure everyone sees it and I don't blame him.

    8. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not apk. You lie about him though. I saw your post history. You're work for the eisenhower military industrial complex shill.

    9. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not apk and telling you the same. Drake used procedure, saw it was bullshit, so did others. Quit shilling for your bosses in government that you've admitted you do work for which I read in your posting history here on slashdot. People aren't stupid Coren22. They see others get the shaft with these put up job procedures and go past them. Rightfully so. They're patriots. You're a government crony out here for damage control and it is very easy to see through.

    10. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You can't hold to your word.

      My word to not respond to his trolling garbage? Yup, keeping it pretty well.

      You don't dare respond to apk's other posts which show you're nothing but a weak trolling jerk.

      Yea, the ones I said I wouldn't respond to because it is a ton of trolling garbage I already responded to, but keep shouting it, I'm sure reality will change to make you correct any time now.

      Coren22 Thomas Drake followed procedure bullshit.

      If he had stayed with that, he wouldn't have been charged, he decided to break the law instead of waiting for the investigation to finish.

      That's why all the others don't trust the system and don't use it.

      Because no one has used it, we can't trust it...I see...

      It's only a matter of time before search engines pick up on his posts and then you'll get a dose of your own medicine and you won't be able to do anything about the truth about you.

      That would require the posts to not be less than 1, which means someone would have to find value in offtopic posts about your ignorance.

      I love how you're attempting to tell us that your abnormal brain is normal. It's clearly not. You're also delusional thinking it is.

      Yeah...I said it was "normal", sure...keep dreaming. I said I am not brain damaged as you clearly think you are. Autism isn't brain damage, it is a structural difference in the brain, not damage.

      So, what diagnosis did your psychiatrists give for you? My guess is schizophrenia, with a large dose of paranoia, but I am no professional. Perhaps you should get back on your meds APK.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    11. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Making shit up now?

      Drake was prosecuted when he decided to stop following procedure, not for following procedure. When you follow the procedures, you won't get prosecuted, when you throw a temper tantrum and report everything to journalists, you get prosecuted for breaking the law.

      Quit shilling for your bosses in government that you've admitted you do work for which I read in your posting history here on slashdot.

      Did I? Where?

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    12. Re:After your lies about me think I believe you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha dave420 enjoys the fine flavor of eating his words http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  111. Coren22 you say proof's NOT NEEDED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, you said it http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * I see that YOU ONLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, eh?

    Fucking hypocrite bastard... just like on ADMIN PRIVELEGE (which you bitched about to me, YET YOU ADMITTED USING IT YOURSELF & I was 100% correct on it with hosts WHICH YOU ADMITTED TOO only after pulling your teeth practically!)

    APK

    P.S.=> And you have the NERVE to call ME a TROLL http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and LIE about me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... too? Fuck off... apk

  112. The formal internal policy in action .. by nickweller · · Score: 1

    "In the wake of NSA leaks debacle, New Zealand's Inspector General of Security and Intelligence has developed a process to enable whistleblowers to act safely".

    'New Zealand's Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, said a formal internal policy for handling protected disclosures, or "whistleblowing", has been developed by her office in liaison with security agencies.'

    ROTFLMAO .. see an example of the 'formal internal policy' in action:

    a. Inform senior management of acts of malfeasant in your department.
    b. Senior management tells your department head.
    c. Your department head accuses you of financial improprieties and leaking information to a foreign intelligence agency.
    d. You get fired and prosecuted under the the Espionage Act.
    e. You are totally unemployable for the rest of your life.

  113. Re:Lack of protection by KGIII · · Score: 1

    The 4th and 5th kind of state that a criminal can, indeed, have secrets. Well, for some definition of secret. Not sure where I'm going with this but, yeah, criminals get to have secrets too.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  114. Coren22 proven a TROLL (NSA/GCHQ?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    * You're a disgusting LIAR & burying yourself!

    ---

    DEFENSE INDUSTRY? Coren22 from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Theory" here - you working for the NSA/GCHQ now?

    They tend to "recruit from within"!

    They're KNOWN to attack SECURITY software (like mine) https://theintercept.com/2015/...

    (If so THEY PICKED BADLY using YOU as a lapdog - (not theory ->) you're brain-damaged w/ Aspergers as you admit- "the sins of the father" = visited on his kids too)

    Dumb - folks like me help SECURE folks via wares like mine - folks in NSA/GCHQ are spying on us is NOT helping folks in the US!

    This "theory" of mine wouldn't surprise me 1 bit - considering GCHQ hacked /. https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    Not after proof I put up (IF you're their crony tell your "handlers" they're busting on the WRONG guy for "character assasination" - I help do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong one spying on US folks! I protect 'em)

    Wouldn't be a 1st: I've had PROFESSIONAL trolls try it (Cito) & advertisers' cronies (AndyMadigan & RayMorris) do it on /. - I dusted + busted 'em.

    APK

    P.S.=> You've bring it on yourself (signatures? Punk! I've shown you're technically inept & I doubt you're MCSE, SystemEngineer, & Security - my posts show otherwise)... apk

  115. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  116. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  117. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  118. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll just leave this here.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/nsa-spying-on-petrobras-f_b_3965148.html

  119. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    Edward Snowden specifically did not blow the whistle. He was trained on the proper method to blow the whistle, and Eric Holder details that method in the article I linked. Whistleblowers don't run to foreign governments that are just as bad or worse at freedom, and in the intelligence industry, people know you take it to congress who has oversight of the intelligence agencies. He chose to run to China, who would disappear someone who did what he did, then to Russia that has killed people for speaking out against the government. Yeah, he is real heroic, running to the people who are so much worse than what he is running from.

    Well, as I noted earlier, Snowden's method worked, your "proper method" would have just hid the crimes. And let's face, with the brutal treatment of NSA whistleblowers, we have established, officially, running to a foreign power as a legitimate form of whistleblowing.

    Why would ANYONE go to jail for spying? What do you think spy agencies are for? This is literally what we formed the NSA and CIA to do. The NSA also is tasked with securing the US Governments communications, but they are primarily a foreign intelligence agency. Their entire job is to spy on other governments to prevent them doing harm to the US.

    I was thinking more prison for violating the US Constitution and treason.

    So, according to you, we should compromise Top Secret information in order to get permission to stop a plot to hurt people/destroy shit in the US? I am so glad that you have no power, because you have no idea how this works or how it should work. Sources and methods are not meant to be revealed to the general public, as once they are revealed, they are useless in the future. You would have the predicessor of the NSA telling the world that the Enigma was broken in order to get permission to use the information, what kind of freaking moron makes that argument? If Germany found out that the Allies broke Enigma, World War 2 likely would have gone their way.

    I think you're bluffing.

  120. Re: Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thanks, you've already chewed all the flavour out of it. And swallowed.

  121. Re: Lack of protection by StillAnonymous · · Score: 2

    A quick google search turned up this.

    And by Glenn Greewald, no less.

    I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe. Have you been paying attention to what's going on with governments across the world for the past decade or so? It's not a rosy picture. In fact, it's downright horrific what they're doing.

  122. Re: Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1
    Well, let's start with this.

    After that categorical statement to the Post, the NSA was caught spying on plainly financial targets such as the Brazilian oil giant Petrobras; economic summits; international credit card and banking systems; the EU antitrust commissioner investigating Google, Microsoft, and Intel; and the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. In response, the U.S. modified its denial to acknowledge that it does engage in economic spying, but unlike China, the spying is never done to benefit American corporations.

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, for instance, responded to the Petrobras revelations by claiming: âoeIt is not a secret that the Intelligence Community collects information about economic and financial mattersâ¦. What we do not do, as we have said many times, is use our foreign intelligence capabilities to steal the trade secrets of foreign companies on behalf ofâ"or give intelligence we collect toâ"U.S. companies to enhance their international competitiveness or increase their bottom line.â

    But a secret 2009 report issued by Clapperâ(TM)s own office explicitly contemplates doing exactly that. The document, the 2009 Quadrennial Intelligence Community Reviewâ"provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowdenâ"is a fascinating window into the mindset of Americaâ(TM)s spies as they identify future threats to the U.S. and lay out the actions the U.S. intelligence community should take in response. It anticipates a series of potential scenarios the U.S. may face in 2025, from a âoeChina/Russia/India/Iran centered bloc [that] challenges U.S. supremacyâ to a world in which âoeidentity-based groups supplant nation-states,â and games out how the U.S. intelligence community should operate in those alternative futuresâ"the idea being to assess âoethe most challenging issues [the U.S.] could face beyond the standard planning cycle.â

    or here:

    According to a 2002 "Information Need" spying order [PDF], the NSA was tasked with collecting economic data from the French government, including details of business contracts, information on the state's macroeconomic policy, it's relationships with international lenders, and any dirt on "questionable trade activities."

    A 2012 memo [PDF] is more explicit. It specifies that all economic deals or financing rounds worth more than $200m are to be investigated, with particular emphasis on activity relating to the IT and telecommunications industries, oil and gas production, environmental technologies, healthcare developments, and biotechnology.

    This information was not just for the use of the US, the documents note, but would be shared with the other four of the "Five Eyes" nations: the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia.

    The new release will be a massive embarrassment to the US government, since it has long maintained that the only reason the NSA exists is to spy on evildoers online â" terrorists, organized crime, drug dealers, and the like. That the agency was specifically tasked to go after the economic interests of an ally will cause red faces all round.

  123. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What foreign governments? You idiots keep parroting that false, NSA-blessed bullshit as if it made sense. Snowden disclosed to journalists that he trusted to have a dedication to truth balanced with caution, no one else. Don't you read? There is no question about it except in your own fevered personal secret agent flick. Even the NSA knows the steamy mouth-breathing "foreign governments" myth is bullshit, but it's all they got. They can't change now, they're in too deep. And so, for that matter is the US. Look at the GOP presidential contender "debates" and tell me things are getting better.

  124. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone who's ever worked in military intelligence or national security knows that every person and boss at every level is doing his best to follow all applicable laws, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

    (Posting anonymously and using the appropriate anonymising tools for obvious reasons.)

    I worked on some of the NSA systems. It was for a defense contractor, doing work for the agency, not actually in an agency. I can assure you that this is a highly fanciful version of what's actually going on.

    The first incorrect assumption is that the staff are Americans. That may be true of the agencies, but it's not necessarily true of the contractors or subcontractors. Many of the people who built the systems are not US citizens, or even located in the US. It's a safe bet that most of the offshore subcontractors for the NSA systems in particular are in "five eyes" countries. Of course nobody wants to go to jail, but US laws, the US constitution, US values, and so on aren't always the most relevant consideration.

    The second incorrect assumption is that the staff know enough to be able to make a call on whether it's legal or consistent with values. Most of these agencies have very well-developed firewalls to make sure that no one person knows too much. Any individual piece of a system like PRISM has a hundred reasonable uses. All you're told is that you're going to write this piece of a database system and it has to have these performance characteristics. I don't know how much Chinese or North Korean military communications traffic there is, so for all I know, the specs I've been given are consistent with intercepting and storing that. The number of people who have the full picture (or a key piece of the picture from which it's possible to get the general idea) is relatively small, and those people are already housetrained.

    Which brings me to the third incorrect assumption, that an organisation can have a dysfunctional personality that no one individual does. We've all experienced unthinking bureaucracies, don't deny it. Everyone working within the system may be well-meaning (but actually, most are just going through the motions like most employees), but the system as a whole can be rotten.

    At the risk of invoking Godwin, Hannah Arendt's concept of "the banality of evil" applies here. Doing great evil does not require you to be a fanatic or a sociopath, it's sufficient to be an averagely stupid person, mostly motivated by local optimisation of your career path.

    I'm glad you think that every person and every boss is doing their best to do the right thing. I certainly felt that way at the time. I'd know what I was working on, I would have found a new job very quickly.

    I probably would not have brought it to the attention of my superiors or been a whistleblower, especially since I really didn't know anything and had no proof for anything that I suspected. I feel like I'm a good person who does respect all applicable laws, the constitution, human rights, and so on. I feel that I violated them without knowing. I was angry and confused for several months after Snowden indirectly told me what it was I'd been doing. Now I'm just numb and resigned.

    Everyone has regrets, but mine is a doozy.

  125. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd know what I was working on

    I meant: "If I'd known what I was working on".

  126. Re:Lack of protection by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    Your expectation is that if you discover wrongdoing, you should be the one to do prison time rather than those responsible?

    Not at all. My expectation is that if there is something so massive and criminal going on as to be fundamentally treasonous (regardless of the intentions of the people involved) that you feel you have no possible option except for going outside the chain of command and to the *press* to report on something you know will cause harm to your nation's intelligence-gathering apparatus, you should be willing to stay and face the music. It's a question of honor from the individual's perspective and practicality from the country's.

    Sometimes you have to break the rules because the rules fail, but if it's important enough to break the rule, it should be important enough to stand up for what you believe in in court. I feel the same way about GWB--he ordered people tortured and should have gone to jail for it, which (if he believed it was important) should have been a price he was willing to pay.

    Everyone with half a brain in the IT community knew mass surveillance was going on pre-Snowden, and nobody in the mainstream community believed it could be. Of course there's value to having a democracy know when it's being surveilled by its own government. But if you accept as a premise that nations need to be able to keep secrets, then you simply cannot let individuals decide when to reveal those secrets to the public at their own whim, and certainly not without consequence.

  127. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    hey released every piece of correspondence they could find from Snowden, they would love to point to an instance where he tried to report it and the system failed, however, he never did. But of course, you are so anti government, that they could release every email he ever sent and it wouldn't make you happy.

    There's no evidence the NSA did any such thing. After all, it's a natural claim to make whether or not Snowden did report the host of problems he discovered. And we have Snowden's statement to the contrary that he did try to go through proper channels, and then decided on the current, successful approach after seeing what happened to past whistleblowers.

    The obvious problem with unprovable claims from the NSA is that they have already lied about this subject in their favor. Thus, there is no reason to expect them to be telling the truth this time.

  128. Re:Lack of protection by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

    We're talking about a group of people proven to be blatantly violating almost every law we have and the constitution. You really think they wouldn't just lie about this too?

    --
    A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
  129. it depends.... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    Snowden isn't a good example.. the man had taken the job with the intentend of finding classified information and bringing it out in the open (and all for his own pleasure/15 minutes of fame (which became a bit more than 15 minutes))..
    I think there is a difference between somebody working at a company/institution for many years and stumbeling upon that information, or entering a position and signing a NDA knowingly you're not gonna break the NDA..
    In reality Snowden is not a hero, but a traitor (even though 'we' all might think it's a good thing he did), other spies have been shot for much less..

  130. Re: Lack of protection by dave420 · · Score: 1

    You really have no idea. It's amazing that you think that, and even more amazing that you'd post it for the whole world to see.

  131. Re:snowden is a jew- by gweihir · · Score: 1

    You are an idiot. Or a paid shill.

    It is completely immaterial who Snowden is. What is important is what the NSA and the GCHQ have been doing. And nobody sane is claiming the documents on that are faked.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  132. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why he had to steal and reveal documents.

  133. Re: Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    So where exactly does it say that the NSA then turned around and provided that information to Exxon?

    Spying for economic purposes includes passing the secrets on to companies that can use the data, not just checking up on companies.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  134. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    He passed information on to China while there to buy asylum. I can only presume he did the same in Russia, but they are pretty tight lipped about what he has passed onto them.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news...

    I do read, do you?

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  135. Re:Lack of protection by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Well, as I noted earlier, Snowden's method worked, your "proper method" would have just hid the crimes. And let's face, with the brutal treatment of NSA whistleblowers, we have established, officially, running to a foreign power as a legitimate form of whistleblowing.

    How would we know? Snowden chose not to use the proper procedures, and all the people who were prosecuted did as well. Leaking classified information to those without a need to know and the proper clearances is a federal crime. Choosing to do that on the hope that you will be seen as a whistleblower is absurd, there are proper procedures for the intelligence community, and they protect sources and methods properly. Leaking to a journalist protects nothing and leads to deaths.

    I was thinking more prison for violating the US Constitution and treason.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    I assume that is the constitution you claim they violated. Considering that they had authorization from a federal court (FISA), that could count as a warrant, it was after all a judge ruling that the collection was reasonable, which also satisfies the constitution. Since it has been authorized numerous times since, and has been ruled both constitutional and unconstitutional, how can you say they have done anything against the constitution? The ruling that ruled it unconstitutional has even been overturned.

    How did anyone commit treason other than Snowden?

    Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

    (wikipedia treason article)

    So, who did any of that and should be prosecuted?

    I think you're bluffing.

    Not sure how I am bluffing, I gave an example of what you are asking for and what would have resulted. Smarter people than I have thought of this, that is why there are examples of the allies not using Enigma intercepts despite the loss of life, as it would have revealed the secret. Germany in my understanding did upgrade the Enigma near the end of the war, and it was impenetrable to the allies, but it was already too late and there were other methods of getting the information at that point. This is history, if you want to argue it, talk to a historian.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  136. Re:Rule: Public = Whistle Blower by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    No it wasn't. That was not a person doing espionage and revealing his info to the world. Instead, the person that did the espionage gave it to the US GOVERNMENT.

    The US government kept it secret for weeks. Then the US government made it public, not the spy.. I repeat, real spies NEVER reveal their information publicly.

    Moreover, this is arguably an example of the 'few exceptions' I mentioned - it was specifics - the physical location of secret nuclear missiles - not techniques.

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  137. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having issues, aren't you? Were you caught again jerking off in your feces to pictures of schoolchildren? Go die in a fire, pedofaggot shitlover.

  138. Re:Lack of protection by khallow · · Score: 1

    How would we know? Snowden chose not to use the proper procedures, and all the people who were prosecuted did as well. Leaking classified information to those without a need to know and the proper clearances is a federal crime. Choosing to do that on the hope that you will be seen as a whistleblower is absurd, there are proper procedures for the intelligence community, and they protect sources and methods properly. Leaking to a journalist protects nothing and leads to deaths.

    Government doesn't get innocent until proven guilty.

    I assume that is the constitution you claim they violated. Considering that they had authorization from a federal court (FISA), that could count as a warrant, it was after all a judge ruling that the collection was reasonable, which also satisfies the constitution. Since it has been authorized numerous times since, and has been ruled both constitutional and unconstitutional, how can you say they have done anything against the constitution? The ruling that ruled it unconstitutional has even been overturned.

    FISA is not constitutional due to its secrecy (it does more than merely issue questionable warrants which never see the light of day). That violates the 5th and 6th amendments as well.

    How did anyone commit treason other than Snowden?

    First, you haven't shown that Snowden committed treason. The worst I've read here is the usual accusation that he had the potential to help China or Russia, but no actual evidence of credible harm to the US or benefit to these countries has been shown as a result of his actions. Second, the NSA actions have harmed US citizens, businesses, and society sometimes to the benefit of other governments both directly by losing business (and jobs and wealth) to foreign enterprises and through the undermining of various encryption standards that US businesses rely on. There has been a substantial tarnishing of the US's reputation at home and abroad. Further, we have government officials lying about the extent of these unconstitutional behaviors and programs to Congress.

    Not sure how I am bluffing, I gave an example of what you are asking for and what would have resulted. Smarter people than I have thought of this, that is why there are examples of the allies not using Enigma intercepts despite the loss of life, as it would have revealed the secret. Germany in my understanding did upgrade the Enigma near the end of the war, and it was impenetrable to the allies, but it was already too late and there were other methods of getting the information at that point. This is history, if you want to argue it, talk to a historian.

    How do you know about the Enigma program? Information doesn't need to be released in real time in order for there to be accountability. But it does need to be released in a timely manner, if we're going to have a democracy which makes good, timely decisions about secret agencies and programs. Enigma didn't need to be revealed during the Second World War, but it would have been criminal to never release information about it at all.

    The US has a long history, just with the NSA of hiding everything from the public until it is revealed by another party. Even the very existence of the NSA was kept secret for a quarter of a century until a congressional committee revealed it I'm tired of decades old actions being hidden from me until someone exposes them in an undeniable way.

  139. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  140. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  141. Re:Lack of protection by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    Look at what we've lost (????) and what we've gained: a lot. There is now awareness by the mass sheep of the USA, and an effort for politicians to want to actually want to be on OUR SIDE for once, to distance themselves from the now unpopular spies.Sure there was always spying, but you were tin foil hat to talk about it before. Now, some change is happening. This is why there is the "Freedom of press" that the Bill of Rights guarantees. If your only option to report this kind of stuff was the same corrupt government that's doing it, you'd get a free trip to Cuba so fast.... But you have the ability for make OTHERS talk about it, and when the information is published by someone who didn't acquire it, there is noone that the Government can directly hold accountable, other than everyone..

  142. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  143. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  144. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  145. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  146. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  147. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  148. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  149. Re:Lack of protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes I do. I read about you in other posts beneath yours here. You're a liar, a troll, and pitiful in computing knowledge and I noticed you don't say anything to those because you're quoted in each of them and they corrected your horrendous mistakes, lies, and libel.

  150. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  151. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  152. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  153. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  154. Dave420 pot smoking's linked to schizophrenia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You also have delusions of grandeur @ being a psychiatric pro. We know what "420" stands for, pot head.

    (Pot you smoke causes schizophrenia so quit projecting your own issues onto me)

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly - Dave420, everyone on /. knows you're a worthless troll and like Coren22 who you're siding with? I've annihilated you on hosts files easily many times before as well, a single case in point example being -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and you had zero after that to defend yourself with as I use facts from reputable sources to shut you up easily... apk

  155. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  156. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  157. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  158. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  159. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  160. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  161. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  162. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  163. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  164. Address this Coren22 ("Run, Forrest: RUN!!!") by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  165. Address this too Coren22/Forrest... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  166. Re:Lack of protection by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Let's play a little game:

    Department A: We haven't broken any laws. No illegal spying.
    Whistleblower B: Department A spied on the American public. I reported this to Department A, but nothing changed.
    Department A: Ok, that spying stuff is true, but Whistleblower B didn't report it to us. Here are the records that we control that show no reports from Whistleblower B.

    Which of those is more credible?

  167. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  168. Noticed your "signature" garbage punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    WANT TO PLAY THOSE GAMES WITH ME @ MY EXPENSE BEHIND MY BACK SCUMBAG?

    This is the price of them... see my p.s. below!

    APK

    P.S.=> Check the topmost links on BOTH Google & Bing (my telling the TRUTH of you is showing up in only 2 days time of my efforts):

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    &

    https://www.google.com/search?...

    Now you're out of "downmod" points from your sockpuppets & other scumbags around here that've trolled me for ages are too - no more effete 'bullets' for you to shoot @ me, but I can keep this up FOREVER (& it's not lies on my end, since your own words prove it's truth)... keep it up, I will fuck you over to NO end for trying it on me & you CAN'T STOP IT (nor can a 1,000 bullshit artist scumbags around here LIKE you) - I always win, no matter what... & you KNOW it... apk

  169. Noticed your "signature" garbage punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject - OR didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Which I SHUT DOWN due to your lies about me on AD + DNS (GPO too from my security guides I see you've read, that are geared to single stand alone machines NOT networked ones but I advise vs. using external DNS with AD there too, here) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    WANT TO PLAY THOSE GAMES WITH ME @ MY EXPENSE BEHIND MY BACK SCUMBAG?

    This is the price of them... see my p.s. below!

    APK

    P.S.=> Check the topmost links on BOTH Google & Bing (my telling the TRUTH of you is showing up in only 2 days time of my efforts):

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    &

    https://www.google.com/search?...

    Now you're out of "downmod" points from your sockpuppets & other scumbags around here that've trolled me for ages are too - no more effete 'bullets' for you to shoot @ me, but I can keep this up FOREVER (& it's not lies on my end, since your own words prove it's truth)... keep it up, I will fuck you over to NO end for trying it on me & you CAN'T STOP IT (nor can a 1,000 bullshit artist scumbags around here LIKE you) - I always win, no matter what... & you KNOW it... apk

  170. Moving the goalposts now are we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only said DRAKE FOLLOWED PROCEDURE & when he saw it's all window dressing "put up job" bs like so much like it is? He did what he felt was right.

    DO YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE I LISTED SAW ANY DIFFERENTLY?

    Drake & perhaps moreso of that pack in William Binney are VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE - far moreso than yourself, they knew what had to be done... & "procedure" doesn't do it. They ALL knew it.

    WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE FOOLING?

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    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    As to your question? That's good enough for me - lapdog CRONY that you are (& they hired BADLY in you - you blow @ computing)

    APK

    P.S.=> Listen - based on my dealings with an undereducated underhanded little SNEAK liar in yourself, I know you're not that intelligent (my other posts beneath yours exposing your games on me lying about me talking 'behind my back' via your signature which you KNOW ac's like myself can't see? Scumbag - you had it coming - check a Google search on yourself since you TRIED that on me too you little do nothing shit... lol, about time someone kicked the fucking shit out of a reprehensible little "ne'er-do-well" like you, & I'm just the guy to do it - remember: YOU STARTED IT, I just finish it & you with it)... apk

    1. Re:Moving the goalposts now are we? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You are hilarious. I am moving the goalposts to point out that you re complaining about the treatment he got for following the procedure, when he got the harsh treatment for breaking the law?

      I bought a candy bar, then I robbed the register, I shouldn't be punished, I followed the legal procedure!

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  171. More libel? Ok... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "so, what diagnosis did your psychiatrists give for you? My guess is schizophrenia, with a large dose of paranoia, but I am no professional. Perhaps you should get back on your meds APK." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Friday November 06, 2015 @09:28AM (#50876453)

    Are you a licensed degreed practicing psychiatric professional with a formal diagnosis of my alleged mental condition given in a formal psychiatric environment? Hell no "Dr. Quack - the 'SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /.'" & wannabe computer guru... That's libel of myself from you + malicious intent + falsehoods about myself behind my back (in your "signatures" regarding me which the links below show you're an idiotic butthurt fool who loses to me constantly!)

    FACT:

    You DON'T DARE RESPOND TO THOSE POSTS OF MINE showing you're a menial no mind wannabe in computing despite your I suspect BULLSHIT you're an MCSE, Security expert, & Systems Engineer in computing - they wouldn't be DUMB ENOUGH to try "take me on" with bullshit I can easily crush & I did... I took you along with it easily, big mouth.

    Keep posting... I am going to eat you ALIVE here publicly for your bullshit you little weasel fuck.

    IRONIC: Captcha is "MEGATON" & these are the hydrogen fusion blasters YOU LAID ON YOURSELF for me:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    That you don't dare "address" (where'd you do that Coren22? I don't see it - but I do see you RUNNING from those, they are after all your OWN WORDS I made you eat, menial chump wannabe that you are... lol!)

    I just use facts & undeniable TRUTH vs. online scum "signature boys" that talk behind others backs to annihilate you!

    (& I see it's doing the job in your "ReAcTiNg" now perfectly like a puppet on a string dancing for me)

    APK

    P.S.=> You started it (& you do every time which I have bookmarked as proof thereof) - get over YOUR DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR you're "sigmund freud" too - that's old STALE troll bullshit & weak... apk

  172. More intelligent people than you back me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: The entire list I put up - they're FAR more intelligent vs. eisenhower military industrial complex lapdogs... & those people? They KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG & it's not "procedure", crony.

    Know anyone like that, Coren22, in lapdog/cronies? Like this one -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - I do.

    Now, I really, Really, REALLY know you & see you for what you are... organized scum.

    (... & I've known trash like you my entire life - losers that operate in 'teams' since they're brain-damaged goods & can't do it themselves operating as menials for 'handlers' that'd shit on you in a second (via plausible deniability & other garbage that those 'politically correct' weasels use...)).

    I see you... is your favorite color transparent? Your ENTIRE POSTING HISTORY screams it.

    The funniest part is, I bet you actually THINK you're doing "the right thing" but have you ever asked for WHOM? Think it's for you?? Hell no... lol, by NO means - wake the fuck up.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're the WORST kind there is, a crony/lapdog & a dishonest LYING little weasel -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & IF you choose to keep it up? Like I said, lol - I will single-handed tear you up easily doing a Cardinal Richelieu on you (which YOU FLEW OFF THE HANDLE TODAY ON, lol -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    Going to give you a chance - back off my ass, now (or "the beatings will continue" & I won't stop, trust me... you started it, I will easily finish it, & you with it... your choice! I keep my word, you do NOT -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk

  173. Re:Lack of protection by countach · · Score: 1

    Nonsense. Australia was caught spying recently over negotiations over northern oil fields.

  174. Re:Lack of protection by countach · · Score: 1

    It's a lie to say he ran to China and Russia. Rather he fled the US and accidentally found himself in China and Russia. Neither of which particularly wanted him, and neither of which he particularly wanted to be in.