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Israel 'To Review' Top Appointment After Facebook Controversy (bbc.com)

HughPickens.com writes: BBC reports that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will "review" the appointment of his new communications director, Ran Baratz, over comments Baratz made on Facebook accusing President Obama of anti-Semitism and describing U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry as having a "mental age" of no more than 12. U.S. state department spokesman John Kirby said Mr. Baratz's Facebook posts were "troubling and offensive." "Insults, certainly, aimed at individuals doesn't do anything to help advance and deepen the relationship. We learn in kindergarten about name-calling, and it's simply not a polite thing to do," Kirby said. The Facebook posts emerged shortly after Netanyahu announced the appointment of philosophy lecturer Mr. Baratz as his chief spokesman. In March, Baratz described President Obama's criticism of Netanyahu's opposition to the Iran nuclear deal as "the modern face of anti-Semitism in Western and liberal countries."

Netanyahu quickly distanced himself from the comments but indicated the appointment remained valid. "I have just read Dr Ran Baratz's posts on the internet, including those relating to the president of the state of Israel, the president of the United States and other public figures in Israel and the United States," Netanyahu said in a statement. "Those posts are totally unacceptable and in no way reflect my positions or the policies of the government of Israel. Dr. Baratz has apologized and has asked to meet me to clarify the matter following my return to Israel." Baratz, in a Facebook post Thursday night, apologized for "the hurtful remarks" and for not informing the prime minister of them. Baratz said the posts "were written frivolously and sometimes humorously, in a tone suited to the social networks and a private individual." Baratz added, "It is very clear to me that in an official post one has to behave and express oneself differently."

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  1. Yeah by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're not giving them enough of someone else's land.

    1. Re:Yeah by aevan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apparently as long as you wait 30 years before asking the question, and as long as they succeeded? Yes.

    2. Re:Yeah by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Tell me does that apply to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and other countries founded around the same time as well? Or just the jewish state?

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    3. Re:Yeah by NicBenjamin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is America, not some Arab country that doesn't recognize Israel at all. He's probably talking about the West Bank, which the Israeli government has never officially claimed, but does insist it has the right to fill up with Jews. Particular the bits nearest Jerusalem.

    4. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      In the Middle East, everyone wants everyone else's land. Some of the issues can be traced back to imperialism, British colonization, and the British mandates. Anti-semitism drove Jews out of Europe and they settled in Palestine before Israel was created. The Pogroms and the Holocaust were big factors in this.

      Some of the issues absolutely revolve around religion. There are disputes between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. There are also disputes within religions such as the dislike between Shiites and Sunnis. It's a mess when you try to make these groups get along with each other, especially within the confines of a single country.

      Many of the issues are also ethnic in nature. Judaism is an ethnicity and a religion, with maternal lineages. Anyone with a Jewish mother is considered a Jew. There are plenty of Kurds in the region who aren't exactly welcome. They've been gassed, deported en masse, and subject to much persecution. There are Arabs and Persians in the region.

      There are too many people in the Middle East who want to drive everyone who's not like them far away, if not kill them. It's wrong regardless of who's doing it and whom it's done to. It's not right when Palestinians are driven from their land. It was terribly wrong when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds and drove them out. We tend to look the other way about how Turkey treats the Kurds living in their country. There are some extremely old Christian communities in the Middle East, some of which date back nearly 2,000 years. The PLO attacked Maronite Christians in Lebanon, in things like the Damour Massacre. Roughly 10% of the population in Syria is Christians, and another approximately 10% are Kurds. They have both come into the line of fire from ISIL in the ongoing civil war. Of course, there's the carpet bombing of southern Lebanon by Israel in the conflict with Hezbollah, causing large civilian casualties and leaving the area with many unexploded munitions to this day.

      This is a message that needs to be generalized and not simply pointed at Israel. It's wrong to take someone's land and a greater crime to take their life.

    5. Re:Yeah by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's no excuse to swipe it. They should stop making "justifications", and simply get out of it. If it's not your land, it's not your land.

    6. Re:Yeah by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell me does that apply to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and other countries founded around the same time as well? Or just the jewish state?

      Well no it doesn't apply to "Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and other countries founded around the same time as well" because those aren't examples of "giving them enough of someone else's land."

      The issue with Israel is Jews had virtually no claim to that land, they had been a small minority for centuries but hadn't been a majority or rulers for a very very long time.

      The creation is Israel was colonialism, not much different from the bizarre concept of settling them in Uganda except for the fact that Israel had added religious significance.

      If you want to understand why the Palestinians are so angry then consider the fact Arabs were promised self-rule for revolting against the Ottomans in WWI. Instead the west promised some of their holiest territory (Israel) to as a Jewish homeland, didn't prevent mass Jewish immigration, then imposed a partition that gave the new Jewish population a huge portion of the territory.

      I don't blame the Jewish immigrants since any minority would love their own country, but as a westerner with no skin in the game I find myself outraged by how in the 20th century western powers decided they could simply give away a bunch of Arab land to a foreign population. Considering how freaked out Americans get over a few illegal Mexicans it shouldn't be hard to understand why the Palestinian population has gotten so inflamed.

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    7. Re:Yeah by Kagetsuki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ??? I think you don't know the history here. This is land that was basically considered impossible to develop and Israel created methods to develop it and did so. After this is when all the sudden the "Palestinians" wanted it. Before and during the development it was a somewhat different story altogether.

      > If it's not your land, it's not your land.
      You're talking about land that was allotted to and developed by Israel that only later was partitioned off and artificial borders and autonomous governments put in place. Saying "If it's not your land, it's not your land." is an argument against a two-state solution.

    8. Re:Yeah by Kagetsuki · · Score: 2

      > because those aren't examples of "giving them enough of someone else's land"
      Uh, yes they are. Arabs become dominant in those regions when they took over - how is this different other than that the re-establishment of Israel was internationally sanctioned and not a bloody conquest? If you're going to ask Israel to "give back" land to the Arabs then you're going to have to at least ask Arabs to give back land to Persians, Zorastarians / Aryans, Assyrians, etc.

    9. Re:Yeah by avivgr · · Score: 2

      Israel is a tiny 500km strip of land, vs 22 Arab countries spanning 1/3 of the globe. Stop the BS

    10. Re:Yeah by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your arguments are stupid, which is probably a result of your own innate stupidity.

      The Jews took control of the land and created a country in the time-honored tradition of fighting a war and coming out on top. Thousands of nation states have come into existence that exact same way, including virtually every single Arab-dominated country in the world. Just because the Jews did it relatively recently does not mean their method was illegitimate.

      The source of the Israeli-Arab conflict is rooted in the fact that Arabs can't stand losing to Jews. If the Kurds carved out a State in northern Iraq, the world would applaud it, and no one would consider it for another second. Only when Jews are involved do we need 2 UN organizations involved to keep the Arabs as perpetual "refugees".

      Fine then you've just lost all moral grounds to complain about Palestinian terrorism, because if you think that Israel is justified in taking land through war (which BTW isn't allowed under international law for obvious reasons) then the Palestinians are justified in fighting back.

      You can't argue that the Israel is allowed to conquer another people's land while simultaneously claiming the other people aren't allowed to fight back.

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    11. Re:Yeah by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      The creation of Israel was as unjust as the creation of the US, Canada, every SA country, most European countries. India, most other ME countries, etc. The world over is full of nations that conquered people who were living there immediately before they declared themselves a nation/state.

      It sounds like you're just pissed that Jews did it this time.

    12. Re:Yeah by Dog-Cow · · Score: 5, Informative

      Jews and Christians have virtually no fights over religious sites in Israel or elsewhere. (I say virtually because there are probably some, somewhere, but I don't know of any). Muslims argue with everyone when it comes to religion. They have just claimed Rachel's Tomb as a Muslim holy site, despite the fact that not even their own tradition links Rachel to Islam in any way. Arabs regularly use religion as an excuse to grab land, and they regularly lie to the world in order to do it.

    13. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ??? I think you don't know the history here. This is land that was basically considered impossible to develop and Israel created methods to develop it and did so. After this is when all the sudden the "Palestinians" wanted it. Before and during the development it was a somewhat different story altogether.

      > If it's not your land, it's not your land. You're talking about land that was allotted to and developed by Israel that only later was partitioned off and artificial borders and autonomous governments put in place. Saying "If it's not your land, it's not your land." is an argument against a two-state solution.

      I don't really care what Israel did with it. Palestine was partitioned and the land they took was not part of their allotment. I don't really care whether Israel is God's chosen people or whether they used to live there 2000 years ago, that was 2000 years ago and they have no right to disenfranchise the people living in Palestine now.

    14. Re:Yeah by Kagetsuki · · Score: 2

      I'd like to note it's even worse than that: while many "Palestinians" were content to be Jordanians it was Jordan who rejected them.

      It's an unfortunate reality that the Palestinians are pawns, and much of the Arab world wants them that way. It's a case of "Heads we win, tails you loose", where if a Palestinian kills an Israeli their foreign backers share a victory in the battlefield, and if a Palestinian is killed they get to present it to the world media as Israel being the evil aggressor.

    15. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Palestine was never partitioned. The UN proposed, in a non-binding UNGA resolution, a partition PLAN. This plan would have been enacted if both the Jews and the Arabs made a treaty based on it. When the Jews agreed, the Arabs rejected it and launched a full blown war, which culminated in the invasion of FIVE Arab armies that were all beaten back.

      Since Arabs rejected the partition plan quite violently in 1947 it is preposterous to make the argument today that the obligations of this plan are somehow binding on the Jews.

    16. Re:Yeah by nbauman · · Score: 2

      The Jews took control of the land and created a country in the time-honored tradition of fighting a war and coming out on top. Thousands of nation states have come into existence that exact same way, including virtually every single Arab-dominated country in the world. Just because the Jews did it relatively recently does not mean their method was illegitimate.

      Yes, "might makes right."

      If you believe that, then, if you're logically consistent:

      -- You believe that the Germans had a right to their historical borders, formerly known as Belgium, France, Poland, Ukrainia, and Russia.

      -- You believe that the Soviets had a right to everything up to Berlin when they came out on top.

      -- You believe that Saddam Hussein had a right to Kuwait.

      -- You believe that the U.S. has the right to take over the whole world, since we've got the bomb and the armies.

      Actuall, after World War II, a team of international lawyers -- many of them Jewish -- wrote a set of laws and treaties, which most of the developed countries signed, which said that territories gained in a war of conquest were not the rightful property of the conquer.

      Jews have gone to court, and gotten their property back (like the Klimt paintings in Austria) under those laws.

      So "might makes right" was no longer the rule when the Israelis engaged in their wars of territorial conquest. Even Theodor Meron, the chief legal counsel of Israel's foreign ministry, agreed with that and wrote a memo to the Prime Minister telling him that the 1967 occupation was illegal, and the settlements were illegal. And they still are.

      The Palestinians have always demanded that Israel settle their disputes in the international courts. The Israelis have always refused.

      Under modern law, they're not victors. They're criminals.

    17. Re:Yeah by nbauman · · Score: 2

      I think you don't know the history here. This is land that was basically considered impossible to develop and Israel created methods to develop it and did so. After this is when all the sudden the "Palestinians" wanted it. Before and during the development it was a somewhat different story altogether.

      I know a bit of the history. I used to do fund-raising for Israeli scientific research. I read Israeli patents. I played a small part in the huge Israeli government public relations machine, until I had to confront the injustice and brutality.

      I played a small part in selling you on the myth of backward Arabs wasting the land, and brilliant Zionist agronomists "making the deserts bloom", with your help. Thank you for your generous contribution.

      That land was occupied by traditional Arab farmers (and businessmen and professionals) who lived there as they had for hundreds or thousands of years, and were as comfortable as many pre-industrial people were, just as the Jews had lived there 2000 years ago without benefit of irrigation pumps.

      Just because you can take over somebody's agricultural land, and make more money out of it, doesn't give you the right to do so. That's robbery.

      Anyone could have come to those farmers, and offered them the money and technology to improve their land, and gotten the same improvement. It was standard modern farming methods, taught in agricultural colleges from Iowa to Moscow. That's what the Communists (the other Jews) did in other underdeveloped countries.

      I look forward to the day when Israel will be a good country again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    18. Re:Yeah by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Israel completely pulled out of gaza and left everything the settlers built, it got them nothing but Hamas in power and thousands upon thousands of rockets and mortars.

      Israel didn't "completely" pull out. They imposed a blockade around Gaza. Under international law, a blockade is an act of war, and the Gazans have a legal right to defend themselves in that war.

      The Israelis also attacked Gaza twice and bombed hospitals, which is a war crime.

      A lot of us Jews thought of the Warsaw Ghetto.

      The Israelis also destroyed everything the settlers built, except for a useless hydroponic plant.

    19. Re:Yeah by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      I know a Jordanian-Palestinian-American who can tell you all about how Jordan bulldozed his and many other Palestinian villages.

      It wasn't until fairly recent decades that other middle-eastern muslim countries' leaders realized they could use the Palestinians to redirect their local populations' anger against an external enemy -- Israel. It stops them from focusing their hatred on their own dictatorships.

      Go read 1984. Hell, I'm sure half of you can quote it in your support of anti-George W. memes.

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  2. Too bad by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Funny

    If he were running for US republican nominee that would have made him the front-runner.

  3. Social networking policies by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    I work for a small internet services company and they have a better social networking policy than the government of Israel.

  4. Re:How is this different from the US GOP? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    I fail to see how this is different from many of the comments made by US Republicans about the Obama administration.

    Because the Obama administration complained to the Israeli government that they'd been insulted. The Israeli government felt like they should respond.

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  5. Re:Israel leaders are now members of DNC by jrumney · · Score: 2

    Name calling might be normal in internal politics, but in international politics, things are usually more diplomatic. Comparing Israel to the Democratic or as other posters have done, the Republican party misses the fact that Israel is not supposed to be in opposition to the US Government of the day, at least not if they want continued support in the UN Security Council from a country with veto power that they have enjoyed for the past few decades.

  6. Netanyahu is an embarrassment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an Israeli citizen I must say that I am embarrassed by netanyahu. He is a racist buffoon who surrounds himself with like minded individuals.

    1. Re:Netanyahu is an embarrassment by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't help but wonder how y'all manage to keep electing him then.

    2. Re:Netanyahu is an embarrassment by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      USA elected Bush twice.

  7. Re:How is this different from the US GOP? by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems extremely petty, though.

    It is.

    All the same, you'd kind of hope that a communications director would have a little sense of what he should post on the internet.

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  8. Barack Obama, Israel, and Jews by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Check, check, and check. This should be an interesting comments section. Where's the popcorn?

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  9. Re:How is this different from the US GOP? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because the GOP's our opposition, therefore much as I hate those chintzy fuckers, opposing Obama is actually their entire fucking job.

    OTOH in legal theory the internal politics of all nation-states are supposed to be totally irrelevant to the one another. People don't pay much attention to that shit, but it's still considered a big deal in terms of an international relationship if one country makes a guy who really hates the leadership of another country their fucking spokesman (non-spokesperson-type jobs are different -- nobody gives a shit whether the EPA Administrator thinks Justin Trudeau is the only Canadian stupider then Stephen Harper, but you can bet there's be some fucking angst if John Kerry or Jay Carnay said that shit).

    This is magnified when the relationship we're talking about is Israel-US, because the US is pretty much the entire fucking reason that half the Israeli cabinet has not been banned from international travel over ethnic cleansing allegations. And it gets even more fraught now that the stupid fucking politicians involved are Obama and Netanyahu. They have had some extremely strong disagreements over issues such as the Iran deal, Netanyahu's stance on negotiations with the Palestinians, Netanyahu's inexplicable decision to make that speech in front of Congress detailing all that shit, his slightly more explicable decision to run as the don't-worry-I-won't-sign-a-peace-treaty candidate, etc.

    Which basically means that by hiring this particular guy Netanyahu would be perceived as intentionally insulting the Obama Administration. Since Obama takes his campaign promises of 2008 way more seriously then he gets credit for, that's probably not a problem in the short term. But in the long-term it's ridiculously fucking stupid because Obama is term-limited, and there's roughly a 50% chance the next President won;t be nearly as pro-Israeli as he is. For example Bernie Sanders was angry enough at Netanyahu's behavior prior to that speech that he boycotted it. Hillary is probably the most pro-Israeli Democrat of any kind left, and she is architect of much of the Obama policy Bibi haters, her husband helped draw up the peace treaties Bibi is trying to work his way around, and if her position on this particular dispute is anything but "Fuck you too Bibi" she's gonna lose a lot of the black votes that make her more likely to be the nominee then Sanders.

  10. Re:How is this different from the US GOP? by fnj · · Score: 3, Funny

    How is Netanyahu aligning closely with only the right wing of the Republican Party? Serious question.

    He isn't. The President of the US, the country which in fairly recent history has been Israel's only real ally, has gone in the tank with a raging insane theocracy, Israel's (and the US's) sworn, naked, and unabashed enemy, and one of the most evil hotbeds of hate in the world. In so doing he has closely allied himself with the goal of the destruction of Israel (and the US). The only part the right wing of the Republican Party has with this is that they are the only ones expressing shock, disgust, and horror at this literal insanity, though they haven't done so with much intensity or dedication.

  11. Re:Review Baratz all you want by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What a stupid statement. President Obama is nothing more, or less, than another liberal politician who feels that if only we could all sit down and talk we could all get along. He's constantly befuddled by how hard it is to deal with people that have hundreds upon hundreds of years of war and bloodshed between them with a sizable percentage that only know hatred for everyone who isn't one of them. The fact that there is no simple solution for the Middle East seems to elude them. If Israel acceded to all the demands place upon them by their hostile neighbors there would still be no peace in the Middle East. The one hero that stood up and made peace, Anwar Sadat, was murdered for that action.

  12. Re:Review Baratz all you want by guises · · Score: 2

    He's constantly befuddled by how hard it is to deal with people that have hundreds upon hundreds of years of war and bloodshed between them with a sizable percentage that only know hatred for everyone who isn't one of them.

    This kind of language is counter-productive. There has been discontent in the middle east for a long time, but the current groups have been in open conflict only since 1945 and have been hostile for less than one hundred years. A peaceful resolution is certainly possible, given some significant changes in leadership. Those changes are coming - the people maintaining this conflict are primarily the old guard, the same people who started this conflict.

  13. Re:Review Baratz all you want by unixisc · · Score: 2

    He was right.

    Mod this up!!! Everything that Obama has done since coming to power has been anti-Israel, to the point of embracing Jihadi forces like the Muslim Brotherhood. He started his presidency w/ that disgraceful speech at Cairo, actually invoking Jihadi verses in the Quran to back his statements, and then working to undermine stable Arab regimes that reined in Jihadist forces. Like Mubarak in Egypt.

    While I don't share anybody's views that Obama is Muslim, I do think that he is competing w/ ISIS in running for Caliph after his term ends. Aside from all his rebuffs of Israel, he has done things like bow to Saudi king Abdullah, veto the Keystone pipeline that would make the US less dependent on Islamic oil, lecture India's Prime Minister about religious tolerance a day before visiting Saudi Arabia and not telling them a word about it (even though anyone w/ half a brain will agree that India is a far more religiously tolerant country than Saudi Arabia), closing down Gitmo and trying to get Jihadis onto American soil so that ACLU lawyers can bail them out, and recognize Kosovo as an independent state. Israel is doing the right thing by making its own deals w/ Russia, and putting any relations w/ the US on hold until Obama's term ends.