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VW Engineers Have Admitted Manipulating CO2 Emissions Data (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: According to a report in German newspaper Bild am Sonntag several Volkswagen engineers have come forward and admitted manipulating carbon dioxide emissions data, blaming the overly ambitious goals set by former Chief Executive Martin Winterkorn. Reuters reports: "The paper said VW engineers tampered with tyre pressure and mixed diesel with their motor oil to make them use less fuel, a deception that began in 2013 and carried on until the spring of this year. 'Employees have indicated in an internal investigation that there were irregularities in ascertaining fuel consumption data. How this happened is subject to ongoing proceedings,' a Volkswagen spokesman said, declining to comment on the Bild report."

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  1. Hagbard Celine's Second Law by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Accurate communication is possible only in a non-punishing situation."

    The Chief Executive set unrealistic goals and planned punishments for anyone who failed. So, the engineers did what was rational, and now they're going to get the blame for the whole thing. The executives, as usual, will get off scot-free and even if fired, will come out smelling like roses.

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  2. Ok to pollute because others are worse? by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I own a 2015 Passat tdi. Frankly I am not worried about the nox or co2 output I make in my vehicle.

    So you are saying you don't give a crap about the environment. Fair enough. I appreciate your honesty.

    Diesel trucks dump far more crap and haul less people.

    So the reason you don't care is because other sources of pollution are worse? That's like saying it's ok for me to dump toxins in the stream because the factory down the street pollutes more. If we accept that logic then there would be no point in any rules prohibiting pollution. Just because we haven't solved some other problem doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with the pollution coming out of your car if we can.

    My carbon footprint per person is far lower than other diesel vehicles

    And yet it isn't as low as it could or should be.

  3. No excuse for committing a crime by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Chief Executive set unrealistic goals and planned punishments for anyone who failed. So, the engineers did what was rational, and now they're going to get the blame for the whole thing.

    If the engineers did something that they knew was wrong then they deserve to be blamed and punished for what they did. If someone asks you to commit a crime the answer should be an unequivocal "NO". This was not a complicated ethical situation. This is kindergarten stuff. Just because someone told you to commit a crime doesn't make it acceptable for you to go ahead and actually do it.

    Nobody at VW involved in this fiasco was under any illusions that what they were doing was legal or even in a gray area. Any engineers who were involved in this fraud should be taken to court and punished in a manner commensurate with their crime. Same with any management that was in charge. They knew or should have known what was going on and deserve to be punished for this crime.

    And let's not pretend that the executives didn't know what was happening. This is a company that is renowned for their centralized control and micro-managing. Any pretense that the management was not aware of this fraud is almost certainly untrue. It might not go all the way to the top but I can't imaging how some folks pretty high up the food chain didn't authorize this.

    1. Re:No excuse for committing a crime by scamper_22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But there lies the problem.

      You can relatively easily prosecute the engineers because well... they were the ones to implement it and would know what impact things would have.

      The hard part is in getting management because at the end of the day, they typically apply pressure and can claim ignorance.

      They should really have a serious clause in there along the lines of negligence whereby management can be held to account for applying undue pressure and not taking enough due diligence to make sure it was not impacting quality.

      And it should be a harsh punishment.

      Like it or not, engineers just don't have the same kind of clout as doctors or lawyers or other regulated professions.

      It's kind of sad when you hear people talk to software developers and say they're not real engineers who are held to account...

      I've worked in some engineering oriented firms. I'd say you face the same issue you do as a developer. Your 'boss' is a corporation or venture capital firm out to make money. You are just an employee.

      Now engineers do some some areas where they have more independence. Normally in fields like power, civil engineering... often in cases where they have strong bodies.

      But for a corporate and product company like VW... there's not much difference.

  4. Emmissions targets are already achievable by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The governments set CO2 emissions requirements for vehicles that, it seems, were impossible to meet given the current technology.

    The emissions targets are demonstrably possible. There are cars driving on the road today which substantially exceed the CO2 emissions requirements under CAFE and similar legislation. Car companies might have to stop selling the ones that don't but that is a Good Thing.

    After expending a large effort and resources on improving the technology, it was still impossible.

    WRONG. The technology required for VW to meet emissions standards already exists and was available to them. They made a purely economic decision to not implement that technology in order to save money while fraudulently claiming that they had solved the problem. This was fraud in pursuit of money. Nothing more.

  5. Re:Laws of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just to add to your point, most internal combustion engines are only 15-20% efficient, most of the energy in the fuel gets turned into heat or lost (either through friction of through other loads like the alternator, power steering etc). Even a super-duper-efficient ICE engine is only yielding 25% efficiency tops (number pulled out of thin air, but a reasonable number, nonetheless).

    What this means is that engines with less controls, like a motorcycle's engine, are at the bottom end of efficiency. A Harley, for example, has that horrible 60 degree V engine which is just plain inefficient, but gives it the signature Harley sound. A car, on the other hand, can have all sorts of controls such as VVT, exhaust recirculation, etc.

    Obviously it takes less energy to move less weight, but there are so many factors that need to also be considered that the argument is almost always invalid when applied to a vehicle. Aerodynamics have a much more significant impact.

  6. Re:Time is money by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I spent 3 months carpooling in from West Covina to LA in the HOV lane looking at all of the cars with 1 person per car enjoying their time sitting still on the freeway. Please don't tell me that there isn't a better way.

    Yeah, most of those guys were literally enjoying their time sitting still on the freeway and having some personal space.

    You haven't got kids, have you. Getting some alone time is bliss! Just sitting there alone in the car for a few hours and being able to legitimately claim "I got held up in traffic"...

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