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The UK Will Police the Dark Web With a New Task Force (vice.com)

An anonymous reader writes with news that the UK’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), and its top police counterpart, the National Crime Agency have formed a new unit to take on online crime. Motherboard reports: "'An NCA and GCHQ co-located Joint Operations Cell (JOC) opens officially today,' an NCA press release published Friday reads. 'The unit brings together officers from the two agencies to focus initially on tackling online child sexual exploitation.' This unit has been in the works for some time. Back at the end of 2014, UK Prime Minister David Cameron announced the plan for its formation at We Protect Children Online Global Summit. At the time, he said that 'The so-called "dark-net" is increasingly used by paedophiles to view sickening images. I want them to hear loud and clear: we are shining a light on the web's darkest corners; if you are thinking of offending, there will be nowhere for you to hide.' At the summit, it was said that GCHQ's technical skills would be its contribution to the unit. But the JOC won't just focus on child pornography cases. GCHQ Director Robert Hannigan said in the recent release that, on top of child exploitation, 'The Joint Operations Cell will increase our ability to identify and stop serious criminals."

56 comments

  1. How... progressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've been watching too much CSI.

    Pure coincidence that they'll mostly end up 'catching' dissidents and whistleblowers

    1. Re:How... progressive. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      They're going to wish they brought a bigger flashlight.

    2. Re: How... progressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They will buy one. With your tax money. And you better shut up about it or you will attract attention.

    3. Re:How... progressive. by ZeRu · · Score: 1

      Pure coincidence that they'll mostly end up 'catching' dissidents and whistleblowers

      And chances are they might "find" a huge collection of child porn on their computers by a greater "coincidence" still.

      And, most disturbingly, an average Joe voter will be satisfied because The Gov't found a perfect scapegoat.

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    4. Re: How... progressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're going to wish they brought a bigger fleshlight. ......

    5. Re:How... progressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I often do wonder how many of these people only become peodphiles after having been arrested.

      Not that there aren't any of those sickos, but once in a while the stuff is coincidentally just left so in the open that there's simply no way they could've gone for so long without getting strung up for it.

    6. Re: How... progressive. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2
    7. Re:How... progressive. by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Don't knock them, they've got the know how. They're going to build a GUI in Visual Basic and trace your IP address.

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    8. Re:How... progressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been watching too much CSI.

      Pure coincidence that they'll mostly end up 'catching' dissidents and whistleblowers

      Yes, the British government seems to be reading from the script of "CSI:Cyber" or maybe the script of the latest episode of "The Good Wife."

    9. Re:How... progressive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They love all this CSI Cyber shit because paedophiles are the biggest boogeymen after terrorists. Maybe even before terrorists. It also makes for great headlines about how 5 million illegal images were found on some idiots computer, which seems like it was a massive bust but actually just one guy downloading dodgy torrents in isolation from his flat in Newcastle.

      Easy glory for the police, which diverts attention away from their numerous fuck-ups and persecution of people they don't like, and helps them justify even greater powers in the future.

      Also, as you say, they get some cool new hardware that can be turned on anyone that bothers them when necessary.

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    10. Re:How... progressive. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "They love all this CSI Cyber shit because paedophiles are the biggest boogeymen after terrorists."

      Police could kill off most of the pedophile problem by going after cultural environments that promote such practices, but that would be politically incorrect. So they want the legal system warped so they can spy on every individual's computer, in hopes of catching individual offenders. So long, Magna Carta.

    11. Re:How... progressive. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well you are talking about the UK, the same country that let 1000 girls be groomed and raped over several because of the fear of being labeled "racist."

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    12. Re:How... progressive. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, I forgot to put the cite in my post:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  2. Typical Government Propganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Governments usually bring out the "we're going after the sickos" announcements when they have nothing but need a publicity boost... or to divert peoples attention, in this case about the new monitoring laws....
    If the US, Russia and China's governments cant crack it... good luck guys!

  3. All talk, We're smarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come get me....

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    1. Re:All talk, We're smarter by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Worst tic-tac-toe game ever!

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  4. Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why weren't they thinking of the children when Thatcher’s government covered up a VIP pedophile ring

    1. Re:Fucking liars by Bahamut_Omega · · Score: 2

      I'll just watch the GCHQ wind up finding itself under the boot heel of Anonymous over time.

      I wonder how long it will be until the "Darknet" operations will have turned Mr. Cameron into the same kind of petrified cowards that got turfed in both Canada and Australia. Perhaps it's time for Fawkes to rise again and perhaps start exposing a number of Cameron's corporate friends for their high treason. Otherwise, I'm sure many members in law enforcement would find themselves outed quite nicely.

    2. Re:Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organisations like anonymous are probably intelligence-sector sock-puppets. After all, every time they act, it "justifies" the expansion of the police, the security agencies, gives them more budget, more laws to watch the rest of us... Cui bono?

      The threadbare excuse that this is to "protect the kiddies" fools no-one, I'm sure.

    3. Re:Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... petrified cowards that got turfed ...

      What is it that Australian conservative party refused to do? They didn't fix the economy like they promised, and they dicked about by rolling-back communications infrastructure and environmentally-friendly policies but they shook things up quite a bit. The problem was most Australians didn't agree with that vision, so the leader was replaced, although most policies haven't changed.

      The socialist party first collapsed under whining from the mining industry, then it appointed a female leader that was a competent administrator but lacked leadership qualities and was constantly criticized.

    4. Re: Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "Anonymous" tries anything again the State, it will not result in the State giving up. It will result in harsher laws, and in those soon-not-anonymous anymore hunted down without mercy. Remember that the government has a monopoly on violence and absolutely no qualms about using it. If you are a member of "Anonymous", stop being one. If you're thinking about "getting involved", think again.

    5. Re: Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are why they win.

    6. Re:Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just watch the GCHQ wind up finding itself under the boot heel of Anonymous over time.

      Anonymous as it exists will be dead within 5 years. Slowly neutered and strangulated by the push to a more curated web. The power of mass anonymity is disliked by governments, increasingly corporatising website owners, and of course the neo-facist "SJWs" who are the loudest callers for an end to the very concept of an anonymous or uncensored web.

      Unfortunately for everyone here, Slashdot has fallen very solidly into the anti-anonymity camp. I doubt anonymous posting here will last even 5 years. It's already subject to increasing time restrictions, and is probably one the way to being phased out. Don't be surprised if the comment section in its entirety is eventually done away with.

      The saddest thing about all this, is that it isn't older, technophobe politicans or executives who are pushing this. Overwhelmingly, the push is coming from young millenials and Gen-Xers, in corporations and on social media. The internet generation it seems is the most willing to turn on its own medium. Maybe most of them never liked what the internet was to begin with.

    7. Re:Fucking liars by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Why weren't they thinking of the children when Thatcher's government covered up a VIP pedophile ring

      They *were* thinking of the children, like ALL the time. That was kinda the problem.

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    8. Re: Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. All these idiots have achieved is to ensure that western governments are now manufacturing surveillance at a massive rate.

    9. Re:Fucking liars by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The threadbare excuse that this is to "protect the kiddies" fools no-one, I'm sure.

      And you would be wrong. Take another look at the election results. You only have to fool enough people to stay in power.

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    10. Re:Fucking liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have ALWAYS been worshippers of Asiatic Tyranny, including middle east ideology-religions.

      On the other hand there is Germanic Freedom and things like Magna Charta.

      YOU have to defend it if you think it is important.

      And no, Facebook is just one corporate message thingy. We don't really need it at all. There was IRC, private webpages, blogs, USENET way before the Zuckerberg System. And there WILL be systems well after the Zuckerberg system has folded.

      Do you run your own blog at your RPI behind the DSL modem ?

      You can get free DNS addresses from afraid.org.

    11. Re: Fucking liars by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The government doesn't have a monopoly on violence. They do have a legal monopoly on violence but only within the construct of the governance. Remember, and this is important so do not forget this, you are governed by consent. This is not an advocacy of violence. This is not a suggestion that you overthrow your government. This is just a reminder that you allow yourself to have a master. This needn't be the case (it's probably for the best, however).

      Woe be unto those who forget that they are ruled by consent, for that it what the rulers wish for most. You should not be afraid of your government, your government should be afraid of you. They should be your servants, not your masters. That you allow them to do so is a choice you have made, collectively. It needn't be so.

      Pithy but true.

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    12. Re:Fucking liars by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      It was recently revealed that all phone calls have been monitored in the UK for over a decade. It is equally probable that most internet traffic has been recorded by the security services. The joint task force described is obviously a liaison service allowing the police access to this data. This service will be expanded to give police direct access after the current internet security bill is passed.

      The people do not care about this because the press has told them that the data will only be used to catch pedophiles. What they forget is that the police only exist to criminalize people and they will find it easy to criminalize most of the population given access to their internet records. The same will apply when all cars are connected to the internet, everybody will be fined for speeding as it is almost impossible to avoid doing so - check your GPS, it will often show that you missed a speed limit change by a few seconds.

      Welcome to the panopticon.

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  5. UK by Sibko · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny how the UK police have enough time and resources to create entire new departments for the express purpose of policing the internet - ostensibly to protect the children - and yet they've got such a backlog on actual child abuse investigations that they can't get around to them for years.

    1. Re:UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they really cared about the children they would shut down the catholic church

    2. Re:UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      If they really cared about the kiddies, activists like Peter Tatchell who call for the age of consent to be lowered to 14 would already be in prison. And haven't you noticed yet how *convenient* these accusations against the Catholics are? Never support the state engaging in religious persecution.

    3. Re:UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pedophile politicians want to shift the focus away from themselves!

    4. Re:UK by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Funny how corrupt, greedy politicians keep winning elections despite all the complaints.

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    5. Re:UK by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      So your argument about not persecuting advocates going after someone who hasn't broken the law but has an opinion you merely disagree with.

      Genius double-standards there.

    6. Re:UK by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Simple: They do not care about children at all, and if they would do something effective about child abuse, their nice justification for establishing a fascist regime would go away.

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    7. Re:UK by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If they really cared about the kiddies, activists like Peter Tatchell who call for the age of consent to be lowered to 14 would already be in prison.

      14 is already the de facto age of consent in the UK. Police, social services and the rest don't really care if a 15 year old has sex, provided it's not rape. And some European countries (like Germany) have a legal age of consent of 14 already.

      There is no connection between discussing a different age of consent and being a paedophile. After all, the age of consent is irrelevant to someone who wants to rape a baby.

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  6. Rotherham by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will the gallant UK police "look the other way" if they come across another Pakistani rape gang, who maybe has raped some 14,000 girls in a single town, in order to not "stoke racism"? (Like they did in Rotherham).

    1. Re: Rotherham by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      They're all in prison now. Unlike Jimmy Savile who got away with it for 50 fucking years.

  7. Shining a light, yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cameron: it's time someone shone a light on the City of London and the tax evasion cesspool it is. There are the real malfeasants, together with the Luxemburg and Belgium tax evasion mafias.

    Not that I like those pedophile rings and they should be treated as the criminal organizations they are -- but blowing up the problem out of proportion serves, as I see it, one purpose: hide the real criminals.

  8. fud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they make it sound powerful but it isn't. as if the nsa/etc hasn't been trying to crack tor/etc for a decade.

    all they'll really try to do is social engineer themselves into some positions of power on "the dark net" communities and pick off the low hanging fruit.

    if bringing down "dark net" communities was as easy as setting up a task force they'd have decimated things years ago. TLAs made a huge fuss over the silk road takedown, and that dude was terrible at opsec and several blackhats had blackmailed him before TLAs did anything.

    fud and scare tactics. if they could bring anything down the press release would be how they DID bring something down, rather than how they WANT to take something down.

    1. Re:fud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or so they want to make you think. Ever heard of "parallel construction" ???

  9. Back to the 2000's by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    So the UK is going for the National Criminal Intelligence Service, Government Technical Assistance Centre, NTAC to try and use the GCHQ in public again.
    Court workers, legal teams will see the documents just as they did in the past. The media will be informed of the methods and it will be journalists publishing pre trial stories all over again thanks to corrupt police.
    Will a CIB3 (anti-corruption squad) like effort have to try and track leaks again as was done around early 2000?
    Run integrity tests on everyone again? Who accepts a random offer for information in 2015?
    Domestic surveillance is the domain of humans who know what they are doing without courts, media and corruption buying and selling their best results.
    Bringing huge amounts of electronic GCHQ material into any open or secure court setting did not work. Too many people got to read of methods and sell information to anyone with the means to pay.
    Technically Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... will get to every network in the UK per day.
    Parallel construction, an offer to become an informant always worked wonders and left no trace to technical methods.
    Announcing what the GCHQ will be doing to the public seems like past efforts.
    Everyone with an interest will just buy the product as it flows down to police and courts in real time.
    Anyone of interest will just stay away from any communications network.

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  10. Can we please stop this "Dark Web" nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a "dark web." It's a free web. It's a web where we don't have government security theater snooping on our every keystroke - to protect us from ourselves, of course.

    1. Re: Can we please stop this "Dark Web" nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any place where the State does not rule with absolute power is a "dark" place where you're not safe from yourself, citizen-consumer. Dwelling in such places and even discussing them is illegal and the consequences can be dire. Obey the law, citizen-consumer. We're watching you.

  11. Damage Control by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    I think this may have to do more with damage control than anything else.

    These sickening images are evidence of the most heinous of crimes; which many of the so-called elite are involved in.

    I think that they are likely 'patrolling' the darknet to hide/destroy evidence of their pedo rings and arrest a few sickos in the process to make it look like they are making a difference.

    They have been getting away with these activities for a very, very long time.

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  12. See THING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our freedom comes from Germanics, not from Athens: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing

    The Greek are just very good at P.R.

    1. Re:See THING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Hitler loved freedom... [Godwin wins again].

  13. Child abuse aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >[...] on top of child exploitation, 'The Joint Operations Cell will increase our ability to identify and stop serious criminals."

    This is what scares me.

    What is a "serious crime" in the eyes of the UK?

    Drug use? Whistleblowing? Political dissent?

  14. LOL by Ahnahmoley · · Score: 1

    Good luck! I'm behind seven proxies!

  15. Won't someone please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...think of the dead pigs! Dead pigs can't consent.

  16. Re-Rant by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I have posted for years that no government wants to allow private communications of any kind. These days they are more brazen about that type of thing. Any claim of a security issue seems to justify endless spying by governments.

  17. Like the U.S... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK thinks they own the world, I see.

  18. Lots more to go down in Rotherham by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    There are a vast number of victims - of the order of hundreds or the low thousands. The cases dealt with so far have dealt far less than 100 perps http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e...

    1. Re: Lots more to go down in Rotherham by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      How many did Jimmy Savile rape over those 50 years? Why did all the people that knew about his behaviour do nothing? Was it because he was a Muslim?