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Harnessing Conflict in the Workplace (video)

Posted by Roblimo on from the when-geniuses-rumble-the-rest-of-us-should-duck dept.

Nigel Dessau has written a book titled Become a 21st Century Executive: Breaking Away from the Pack. One thing he mentions both in his book and in conversation is that you should harness conflict in the workplace rather than try to stop it. And the first name that came to mind was Linus Torvalds, and how kernel developer Sarah Sharp recently quit the kernel development team loudly and publicly because of Linus's 'Brutal' Communications Style. And now the Washington Post has put out an article under the headline, Net of Insecurity: The Kernel of the Argument, which is about Linus's management style and his recent conflicts with almost every Internet security maven within reach of his online writing. Meanwhile, at ZDNet, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols calls the Post article "re-bundled old FUD about Linux and the internet's security."

Nigel likes Linus (as do most people who've met him in person) and points out that Linus can get away with being somewhat prickly because he's a genius. The same could be said about the late Steve Jobs and a number of other interesting leaders in the computer business. And Nigel's book and this interview also talk about something that may be more important in the long run than this year's small spate of Linux publicity, namely mentoring and how it can help millennials become productive workers in knowledge fields -- which a whole bunch of them need to start doing PDQ because all the baby boomers everybody loves to hate are either retired already or will be retired before long.

93 comments

  1. How about by chispito · · Score: 0, Troll

    How about you go work for someone that is "harnessing conflict in the workplace" and I'll work for someone that acknowledges basic human dignity.

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    1. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh you millenials... Conflict does not have to be brutality, nobody is advocating you work for someone who pours human feces on you every morning.

      The fact is you are in competition. By all means generational stereotypes are somewhat bunk, but not totally and you'll be competing with baby boomers and Gen-Xers for a long time. Imagining yourself a special snowflake won't be conducive to said competition.

    2. Re:How about by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear. Conflict is one thing. But we have a nation that seems to think that conflict is wonderful, magnificent, and something to strive for all the time; continuous sarcasm, bickering, backbiting, evilness. You can disagree and not be uncivilized. As for the boomers retiring and millennials - what on earth does conflict have to do with that?

    3. Re:How about by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Be careful. Your "basic human dignity" is another person's "you're being an asshole." We all have our thresholds, but I've been astounded at the sensitivity many of my co-workers for what I would consider benign things.

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    4. Re:How about by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      If it gets too bad, the workers there can always harness the conflict all their coworkers have with management, to strike some kind of better deal.

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    5. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, conflict is always bad. The precious snowflakes are all unique, so there shouldn't be any conflict because we're all special. Of course, those of us who have grown up know that conflict exists, can't be suppressed effectively, and that "conflict" and "assholishness" are two very, very different things.

    6. Re:How about by Tough+Love · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, no, conflict is always bad. The precious snowflakes are all unique, so there shouldn't be any conflict because we're all special. Of course, those of us who have grown up know that conflict exists, can't be suppressed effectively, and that "conflict" and "assholishness" are two very, very different things.

      Let me guess. You're short, you're the one everybody picked on and now you're an overweight middle manager and somebody's going to be getting some payback.

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    7. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Tough Lover, where's the dignity? Where's the basic decency and respect that every human being is entitled to, even to those that don't extend the same to others? C'mon, turn that sweet cheek and love ya brother, man.

    8. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because people today are weak. And they're promoting weakness in the schools and especially in the universities. It's a plot to destroy our society from within, and people are foolish enough to fall for it. Mass immigration is the other half of this agenda. People inherently do not mix well, and strife arises as a result. To throw vastly different groups of people together is to create a powder keg waiting to go off.

    9. Re: How about by donscarletti · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing inhuman about being managed by a straight talking lead who tells you exactly what you are doing wrong in blunt, uncertain terms.

      What is inhuman and undignified is being managed by HR, to whom you are a number, and follow policies that dictate how your team is to communicate and what you are allowed to say.

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    10. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, 6'3" and a pilot, but keep going with your peculiar belief that you are indeed special and shouldn't be subjected to conflict.

    11. Re: How about by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      If this is true then you probably haven't experienced real conflict in a very long time. I'm six foot tall. Most of the time if I disagree about something I just stand up, look at the person, and the problem solves itself pretty quickly. I can't imagine how much harder my life would be if I was short.

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    12. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, neither of those made better by being tall. Conflict happens. The real world doesn't have nice clean simple answers. There will be conflict. In organizations that need clear conflict resolution, like the mlitary and flying, there's a clear path to conflict resolution. In organizations that need a free flow of ideas, there will be conflict, and there need not be a clear path to conflict resolution. However, knowing when to shut up and color is important for all organizations with intelligent, creative people.

    13. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowhere, fatso turd. You're a fugly bag o' smelly lard and nothing's gonna change that. We don't pick on you because we're mean, but because of what you are. Why don't you kill yourself? Now shut up while I piss all over you.

    14. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you avoid fights with nba players, gotcha

      i do that too, but not because of fear, i just dont like black people

    15. Re: How about by Shoten · · Score: 1

      There is nothing inhuman about being managed by a straight talking lead who tells you exactly what you are doing wrong in blunt, uncertain terms.

      What is inhuman and undignified is being managed by HR, to whom you are a number, and follow policies that dictate how your team is to communicate and what you are allowed to say.

      I agree; I think the problem here, though, is that there's a difference between simply being blunt and telling it like it is and being an asshole...but that often the latter believes they are the former. Adding to that, where does one draw the line...and what if the person who is the recipient of the blunt talk is simply failing, and trying to rationalize it away by saying "oh, he's just an asshole"?

      Then there's also the big question: what if the person is an asshole, but also a superstar? At what point is it worth it?

      There's actually a really great book out there called (I shit you not) "The No-Asshole Rule," by Robert Sutton. Sutton originally wrote a piece for the Harvard Business Review (of the same title) and it got such a positive reaction that he went on to write a whole book. The book covers the difference between being an asshole and simply being direct, the urge to label people assholes for all kinds of reasons, and whether assholes are ever worth it. Oh, and he puts forth a remarkably sensible definition for what behavior makes someone an asshole in the first place. It even touches on the fact that, at some point, we have all been an asshole in the workplace.

      The book's an easy and interesting read, and it's really applicable. I found that it helped me temper my own style in the workplace a bit...I don't think I was a full-blown asshole, but I could have gone that way...and I find it easier to be blunt and direct without people walking away from the interaction feeling bad about it. Instead, they seem to step away feeling a sense of direction without negative feelings about the whole thing. And I really like that, a lot.

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    16. Re: How about by jzarling · · Score: 1

      You're 6 foot tall, and a tough guy, that's so cute.

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    17. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, conflict is always bad. The precious snowflakes are all unique, so there shouldn't be any conflict because we're all special. Of course, those of us who have grown up know that conflict exists, can't be suppressed effectively, and that "conflict" and "assholishness" are two very, very different things.

      Buuut we're all winners still, right?

    18. Re: How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is true then you probably haven't experienced real conflict in a very long time. I'm six foot tall. Most of the time if I disagree about something I just stand up, look at the person, and the problem solves itself pretty quickly.

      Yes, that works with weak people. A one-time adversary now friend tried that; he's 6'4", 240 pounds and I'm 5'10" at 190. It didn't work out for him so well when I showed him how a higher center of gravity worked against him.. after the hip throw, shoot into the guard, then ground and pound. And yeah, before you start, I'm an engineer, not some macho cop or MMA guy.

      Relying on your size is VERY dangerous if you don't know the opponent, and I make it a point to punk anybody bigger than I am for the sheer fun of it just because of people like you.

  2. Holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's the bald jowly old man in the screen!!!!??????? Some of us are trying to eat!!!

    1. Re:Holy crap!! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I don't know and I don't care. If I wanted to waste my time on videos, I'd watch something more interesting than a talking head.

      Also "And Nigel's book (and this interview) also talk about something that may be more important in the long run than this small spate of Linux publicity". But probably not.

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  3. Or you could hire Gen X by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> which a whole bunch of them need to start doing PDQ because all the baby boomers everybody loves to hate are either retired already or will be retired before long

    Or...you could hire Gen X (in their 30's-50's)

    1. Re:Or you could hire Gen X by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, you don't need to do that. You can just outsource everything offshore, and let the middle class implode here. Later, when our economy resembles Somalia's, no one will care much about how productive workers in this country are.

    2. Re:Or you could hire Gen X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Western society is the purchasing power that's feeding these large corporations. If it is destroyed, these corporations will be dragged down along with it.

    3. Re:Or you could hire Gen X by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The Chinese middle class is quickly rising.

    4. Re:Or you could hire Gen X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually, it isn't.

  4. Nobody needs these people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nobody needs people like Nigel Dessau. What do they actually do? Nothing. They write books and run their mouth about subjects they know ZERO about. What does this guy know about actually producing something like the Linux kernel? NOTHING. The fact that Slashdot gives these idiots a place to spew their garbage is a sign of how far this site has fallen.

    1. Re:Nobody needs these people by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Management consultants... *sigh*

      I wonder how you get that gig? Seems like free money for running your mouth.

    2. Re:Nobody needs these people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's Mr. Dessau's tips for handling Millennials at the workplace:

      "How do GenX and the [Baby Boomers] manage millennials effectively?" Dessau said. "If you can follow these [five tips], you'll do a good job at retaining them."

            Don’t confuse what motivates you with what motivates them."If you want to hire and retain a millennial, you must be willing to learn their values," Dessau said, adding that millennials are often less interested in salary and more so in things like corporate responsibility. [Millennials will be easy to underpay]

              Don’t assume that if you can’t see them, they aren’t working."Millennials don’t work 9-5. They don’t think the same way. Be flexible," he said. [Millennials will cause hard feelings among older employees and cause turnover cuz they think they don't need to show up for work on time]

            Allow them some me-time."That means if they’re using Facebook at work, that’s not a problem. Seven out of 10 expect some "me-time" at work. Part of what we like is how connected they are, ... how used to social networks they are. ... You can’t expect them to have that and not use them," Dessau said. [Productivity will go down the crapper along with your profit margins]

            Make them part of your world."You won’t get away with I told you so. That won’t mean anything to them. That’s not what they accept. You have to explain it to them in terms of context and strategy," he said. [Employing Millennials is like running a daycare for 20 somethings]

              Give feedback when they need it, not when you need it."Millennials like continuous and constant feedback. They want to have people talking to them all the time," Dessau said. [Need constant validation and reaffirmation of their special snowflake status. Guaranteed to generate "Toxic workplace" complaints if feedback not positive.

    3. Re:Nobody needs these people by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I saw a talk about "what millenials want" (bizarrely, part of a series on UI design) and my thoughts were pretty much the same as yours.

      I know what they need - a sound kick in the arse.

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  5. Please name a single employer that acknowledges by waspleg · · Score: 1

    basic human dignity as per your post.

    1. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      basic human dignity as per your post.

      Exactly. If it were legal to buy slaves, top execs and shareholders would be filled with glee. Before we get there though, they'll settle for H1B1s.

    2. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please name a single employer that acknowledges basic human dignity as per your post.

      The Dalai Lama.

    3. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by youngone · · Score: 1

      If it were legal to buy slaves

      But slaves are expensive to maintain. What the modern executive really wants is a bunch of slaves who he doesn't have to feed house or clothe.

    4. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by onkelonkel · · Score: 1

      Where do you you people work? Let me know, so I never work there. I work for a mid sized (3000 people) employee owned Engineering consulting company. We hire smart people who work hard. We design and build cool stuff (we think it's cool) and get paid well for doing it. Managers, (we don't have very many) try to treat people with respect, dignity, and tolerance, and expect the same. We still criticize and correct peoples work, we just do it without being an asshole about it. Nobody yells, nobody fights, nobody calls people names. Is there conflict and competition? Of course. But we also have team work, respect, and mutual support.

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    5. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Boss?

      I could not complain.

    6. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      There is far too much hype about the entitlements of the undeserving poor, there needs to be more discussion about the presumed entitlement of the undeserving 1%. There is no economic benefit from these scroungers (See Thomas Pikettys Capital) and society needs to pull the rug out from under them. The continuous propaganda selling the disgraceful behavior of these people needs to be questioned, they are not an essential part of capitalism.

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    7. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cheapen the word slave whenever you use it like this. Excellent. In another 50 years time it will come to be known as an annoying condition. Keep it up.

    8. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robots. Bosses may or may not want to pay humans, but I can tell you, not actually having to use humans to get things done is a lot less stress.

    9. Re:Please name a single employer that acknowledges by chispito · · Score: 1

      (Please name a single employer that acknowledges) basic human dignity as per your post.

      Mine.

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  6. Mentoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mentor a Millennial!??!? Preposterous!

    On a side note... I have been told over the last several years that "harnessing conflict" in this way is supposedly a "German trait" (I am not German, although I have some ancestry I suppose) and is seen by narcissism and egomania by others.

    Eh, I don't have much respect for a lot of people I guess.

  7. What the hell is that thumbnail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot's video thumbnails for their crappy videos no one wants have always been shit but this one must be close to the worse

  8. AshleyMadison.com and Washington Post by Dainutehvs · · Score: 2

    Versions of Linux have proved vulnerable to serious bugs in recent years. AshleyMadison.com, the Web site that facilitates extramarital affairs and suffered an embarrassing data breach in July, was reportedly running Linux on its servers, as do many companies.. Those problems did not involve the kernel itself, but experts say the kernel has become a popular target for hackers building “botnets,” giant networks of computers that can be organized to initiate cyberattacks.

    People in AshleyMadison.com also were reading Washington Post .. their hack was not related to this fact but many experts say badly edited newspapers become a popular and easy target for populists.

    1. Re:AshleyMadison.com and Washington Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that gave me pause in the WaPo article as well. What a piece of, uh... quality journalisting.

  9. Harnessing conflict means by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    *Divide and Conquer*

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  10. How about the conflick from trying to get a union by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    How about the conflict from trying to get a union up and running.

  11. Linus is a genius? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    I mean I don't doubt that he may be very smart, but is he actually a genius?

    And since when does being a genius somehow give one a free pass on being "prickly"? If anything, I think any forgiveness in that area which may be offered by the public would have more to do with what a person is known for, and how much they have actually done than it would to do with the person's intelligence.

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    1. Re:Linus is a genius? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I think the "genius" bit may be unfounded, it's hard to say for sure. What he really meant there is that Linux has a proven track record of getting stuff done, which is honestly a lot more important than an IQ score. There's a crapload of people in MENSA who just sit around in MENSA meetings talking about how smart they are, while they've never actually done anything very productive in life at all. Just look at Marilyn vos Savant: what did she ever do besides write a newspaper column (wherein she got a fair number of things wrong)? There's no mathematical discoveries or anything like that named after her.

      Anyway, the idea is sound: people do tend to allow more latitude to someone if they have a record of getting things done. Suppose you have two auto mechanics in your little town (and the next town is too far away to get your car fixed); one mechanic has a great personality and is always polite, but he's infamous for screwing up auto repairs, with several incidents of peoples' wheels falling off and them driving off cliffs, while the other mechanic is a gruff jerk, but has fair pricing and a stellar reputation for fixing cars well without ever doing unnecessary repairs. Which one are you going to take your car to?

      If anything, I think any forgiveness in that area which may be offered by the public would have more to do with what a person is known for, and how much they have actually done than it would to do with the person's intelligence.

      I agree entirely, and that's why I think the author misspoke. He's equating Linus's obvious accomplishments (Linux runs on billions of devices) with an IQ score, making the assumption that he must obviously be a genius to have accomplished this, which is faulty reasoning.

    2. Re:Linus is a genius? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I mean I don't doubt that he may be very smart, but is he actually a genius?

      Depends how you measure. Linus is the Sherlock Holmes of bug hunting. Is Sherlock Holmes a genius? (Or is he even a he?) As far as interpersonal interaction goes, Linus is a dunce. Ask him, he won't deny it.

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    3. Re:Linus is a genius? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      And since when does being a genius somehow give one a free pass on being "prickly"?

      Since people decided they care more about what they can get than the price other people must pay. Linus gets away with being "prickly" to other people because you want the Linux kernel and fuck them.

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    4. Re:Linus is a genius? by emilyrsmith667 · · Score: 1

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  12. My Takeaway by dfn5 · · Score: 1

    Skype sucks^H^H^H^H^H is sub-optimal for doing an interview

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  13. fuck so called geniuses by citylivin · · Score: 1

    I would never want to work for them. I much prefer my current work environment where no one yells at eachother and everyone is friendly and apologizes sincerely when they screw up.

    Trust me, I have worked at places where everyone yells at each other, has fights in the office (as opposed to disagreements behind closed doors) etc, and I wouldn't trade my current work environment for more money in those organizations.

    A dick who is a genius is still a dick. The archetypal "house" type character. Do you want to be a genius alone and alienated?, because that's what happens when you treat people like shit.

    What a "genius" anyway? those people in the apple store at the mall, right? Maybe apple can copyright that term so no one can ever refer to themselves as a genius again.

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    1. Re:fuck so called geniuses by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Trust me, I have worked at places where everyone yells at each other, has fights in the office (as opposed to disagreements behind closed doors) etc, and I wouldn't trade my current work environment for more money in those organizations.

      I might be ok with it if it were actual fighting. There are a few people I've worked with I'd be happy to step in the ring and settle things a bit more energetically.

    2. Re:fuck so called geniuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I much prefer my current work environment where no one yells at eachother and everyone is friendly and apologizes sincerely when they screw up.

      If it came down to working for a company that was getting results but had occasional infighting or a company where everyone was friendly to each other but useless as tits on a bull, I'd take option 1.

    3. Re:fuck so called geniuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming similar pay, and likelyhood of them staying in business, I'd go for option 2. Their money is as good as option1, and I get to live longer and enjoy my life more.

      And yes, there's plenty of tits on a bull companies that survive for decades. Longer than companies with screaming crazy genius owners, actually. Because grace and respect go further on this planet than genius.

      Don't believe me?

      Have a look at which politician gets elected next time. The one that basically showed how stupid the electorate was but had solid ideas (economically), or the one that told the electorate they deserved better, but has economically disastrous ideas. Canada just experienced this, and our children will be paying the debt off for decades.

  14. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly. Most people feel this way too, which is why Jobs never got anyone to work for him very long and his company went under. Oh wait...

  15. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to SmashDot!

  16. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well Apple is designed from the ground up for followers.

  17. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't believe how many people these days think high school is a model of how life should be.

    High school is what life is when people are too immature and self-absorbed to deal with reality.

    FWIW if Linus or Jobs ever talked to you they'd either appreciate your attitude and speak to you with respect because of it - or, more likely, they would dissect your fragile ego, smash the chip off your shoulder and leave you to spend the next five years figuring out why you were such a waste of biological matter.

  18. Slipping by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    What the fuck, people? We're 27 comments in to a story about "conflict in the workplace" and nobody's mentioned "SJWs" yet. Don't you have any self-respect?

    Here, I'll start:

    q: How many SJWs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    a: 14. One to screw it in and 13 more to tell the bulb to check its privilege.

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    1. Re:Slipping by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So, a priest, a rabbi and an SJW walk into a bar...

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    2. Re:Slipping by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What the fuck, people? We're 27 comments in to a story about "conflict in the workplace" and nobody's mentioned "SJWs" yet. Don't you have any self-respect?

      Toxic workplaces aren't just a problem for females. Unfortunately, too many men are afraid to complain about toxic workplace environments because they think it will make them look less like a pussy^Wman.

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    3. Re:Slipping by RuffMasterD · · Score: 2

      True. Unfortunately there is almost nobody to complain to, and if there is, they won't/can't do anything. From my experience HR is there to cover the companies butt from legal problems. They will tick off a list of boxes so if an issue lands before a judge the company can say they were fair and tried everything. When I refused to tolerate my managers crap the whole thing degraded into a high school popularity contest, with each of us trying to rally as many supporters as possible. Most of my colleagues would rather buckle under the pressure and become doormats than put up a fight. I don't blame them. It's simpler, quicker, and cleaner.

      I hope workplaces become more cooperative in the future, rather than the rigid hierarchical structure older companies have now. The same old problems will always arise, but at least it puts everyone on the same level so people can't abuse power imbalances. Google X lets people self organize in such a way that good ideas/people gather the most support. People work on the projects they think their skills can be used best. I read a great article about a large tomato processing company that had a similar flexible approach. Each worker must negotiate a contract with each of their stakeholders. The services/resources/money they have to supply, and what they need in return. Management then becomes a service. Good managers are chosen by more people, and are therefore paid more. Bad managers need to find something else to do. Same for workers.

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    4. Re:Slipping by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      A man and a woman are working in a server room. The man tries to run a command, and gets an error indicating insufficient security clearance. He asks the woman for advice, and she says 'Check your privileges.'

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  19. conflict != being a jerk by binarstu · · Score: 1, Informative

    As others have pointed out here before, constructive conflict/disagreement in the workplace does not require acting like an asshole. If you read any of Sarah Sharp's comments on this matter, it is very clear that she had no problem at all with technical criticism or disagreement. Her problem was with unproductive and demeaning personal attacks. The summary seems to just lump all of this together, suggesting that Linus telling people that they are worthless and should kill themselves is an example of productively harnessing "conflict in the workplace".

    Also, from the summary: "...Linus can get away with being somewhat prickly because he's a genius." Perhaps, but it could also be because he's in charge and has more power than anyone else on the project. There are plenty of really smart people who work on the Linux kernel, but most of them probably couldn't get away with the same kind of behavior because of their position in the power hierarchy. This further emphasizes why public, personal insults directed at subordinates are decidedly not an example of "harnessing workplace conflict" for productive ends.

    1. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out here before, constructive conflict/disagreement in the workplace does not require acting like an asshole. If you read any of Sarah Sharp's comments on this matter, it is very clear that she had no problem at all with technical criticism or disagreement. Her problem was with unproductive and demeaning personal attacks. The summary seems to just lump all of this together, suggesting that Linus telling people that they are worthless and should kill themselves is an example of productively harnessing "conflict in the workplace".

      Also, from the summary: "...Linus can get away with being somewhat prickly because he's a genius." Perhaps, but it could also be because he's in charge and has more power than anyone else on the project. There are plenty of really smart people who work on the Linux kernel, but most of them probably couldn't get away with the same kind of behavior because of their position in the power hierarchy. This further emphasizes why public, personal insults directed at subordinates are decidedly not an example of "harnessing workplace conflict" for productive ends.

      Why is linus the leader and have the most power though? He barely commits any code to the kernel at all. I say it's time for a change in leadership.

    2. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Linus can get away with being somewhat prickly because he's a genius." Perhaps, but it could also be because he's in charge and has more power than anyone else on the project.

      And it is far from clear that he has gotten away with it. Taken some serious hits to the rep is more like it, whereas by being a bit less of a dick he'd be pure, unadulterated legend by now. No way to put that toothpaste back in the tube, but he could at least take steps to keep more of it from squeezing out.

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    3. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Her problem was with unproductive and demeaning personal attacks

      None of which she experience herself, until she decided butt in to a conversation that had nothing to do with her.

    4. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he's gotten away it. You can tell the mountains of salt still expended by you people.

    5. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Worse, he's flat-out wrong on this issue and there's no mechanism for people who understand security better than he does to force him on it. So he does what any dictator does: he doubles down on a position that is untenable in the long run.

    6. Re:conflict != being a jerk by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      STFU, Lennart.

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  20. There's Prickly and then there's Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...Linus can get away with being somewhat prickly because he's a genius. The same could be said about the late Steve Jobs...

    You are comparing Linus to Steve Jobs? Disowning your child is not "prickly", it is a few less letters.

  21. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd smash them. Fuck the job and fuck them. People like that need to be taught a lesson. I'm willing to bet they didn't go around talking to people that way in high school.

    Haha, you sound like a real winner.

  22. What is PDQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is PDQ?

    1. Re:What is PDQ? by PPH · · Score: 1

      A lesser member of the Bach family of composers.

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  23. Immaturity by pmotuja · · Score: 1

    Prickly demeanor, personal attacks. This is simply a lack of maturity. Occam's razor

    1. Re:Immaturity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't automatically equate "person doesn't act like I want them to" with some sort of flaw in that person. Perhaps it's with you, in that you simply can't deal with diversity in personalities.

  24. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, same thing happened to Larry Ellison at Oracle, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer at Microsoft, etc. The fact is, tough CEO's are often the most successful.

  25. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Logic failure. We don't know how many people avoided contributing to the Linux kernel, or went to work somewhere other than Apple to avoid Jobs. I certainly wouldn't bother with either of those things, when there are plenty of other much better opportunities available.

    I really can't understand why someone would want to work for someone like Jobs. If you have that much talent then your skills are in demand elsewhere, and it's not like Apple pays 2x market rate (in fact weren't they part of the scam to underpay tech workers that ended up in court recently?), so why put up with it? What makes that amount of stress and conflict worth putting up with?

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  26. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

    Logic failure. We don't know how many people avoided contributing to the Linux kernel, or went to work somewhere other than Apple to avoid Jobs. I certainly wouldn't bother with either of those things, when there are plenty of other much better opportunities available.

    I really can't understand why someone would want to work for someone like Jobs. If you have that much talent then your skills are in demand elsewhere, and it's not like Apple pays 2x market rate (in fact weren't they part of the scam to underpay tech workers that ended up in court recently?), so why put up with it? What makes that amount of stress and conflict worth putting up with?

    While I actually agree with you that if my personal threshold is exceeded I'm willing to tell my employer to go fuck themselves, you're seem to be dismissing the fact that the most successful companies are those who you wouldn't work for.

    Hell, you're saying that you don't know how many useful people avoided contributing to the Linux kernel because they won't take a public rant from Linus, but as a matter of fact we *do* know that they weren't needed to become successful. If they were needed, the kernel wouldn't be successful, ergo, they were not needed.

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  27. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Wrong question. How much better would the kernel be with their contributions? Maybe Linux would have replaced Windows by now (unlikely, I know). Maybe it would have gained some really useful feature. Maybe a less hostile environment surrounding kernel development would have prevented systemd being what it is (divisive and rage inducing).

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  28. Mentoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "... -- which a whole bunch of them need to start doing PDQ because all the baby boomers everybody loves to hate are either retired already or will be retired before long."

    Wow. As a tech worker who is at the tail end of the baby boomer demographic, this one hurt just a bit.

    So much for the post-PC super pro-diversity in the workplace world line that the millenials and gen-x'ers like to purport whenever given the chance. IF that's really the sentiment among the younger generations in the workplace, it's no wonder that mentoring isn't happening so much.

  29. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    Wrong question. How much better would the kernel be with their contributions? Maybe Linux would have replaced Windows by now (unlikely, I know). Maybe it would have gained some really useful feature. Maybe a less hostile environment surrounding kernel development would have prevented systemd being what it is (divisive and rage inducing).

    You are presenting the hypothetical situations as a given. Linux, the kernel, is a runaway success. It is by far the most used kernel in the world. The most flexible. The most important. You want to believe that it would be even better had some of these hypothetical contributors materialised.

    Your presentation of systemd as an example is a good one, but not for you. All the userland stuff - gnome3, systemd, wayland, etc - all those things are the product of organisations that have had a womens outreach program or similar. Compared to the kernel, they're absolute garbage. They've lost users in an age where more people than ever need a userland, while the kernel itself has gained users.

    As your own two examples so spectacularly show, the projects that are huge successes in their chosen field have Linus torvalds type leaders. The divisive ones - the failures that have driven users away - they're the "inclusive" projects. What we mostly learned from projects like Gnome is that the contributors who have a political axe to grind are the worst kind to have.

    As the kernel forges ahead gaining ever more users due to pure technical merits, your "inclusive" projects have turned into full-on retard-fests.

    The reason is that, perhaps, the best contributors do not want to work with people who have a political axe to grind. The kernel, for example, was able to shed some deadweight simply by not caving in to the Sarah Sharps of the world. If they had stayed, would the other contributors have stayed too?

    Politics doesn't belong in some places.

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  30. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    We don't know how many people avoided contributing to the Linux kernel

    No, but we DO know that no other FOSS project has been remotely as successful. How many devices use BSD kernels?

    or went to work somewhere other than Apple to avoid Jobs

    No, but we DO know that Apple has the highest market cap of all the tech companies (and all companies, IIRC), and is definitely the most profitable of all tech companies.

    So obviously, these organizations' styles *are* successful for them. Maybe you don't like them, maybe other people don't like them, but the results do speak for themselves. It's not like all these turned-off workers are going somewhere else and those other places are doing better than Apple and the Linux kernel (for tech companies, and FOSS projects, respectively, which are two rather different types of organizations).

    Basically you're trying to argue that these organizations should have different management styles, and that this would give them better workers and better results. However, you have ZERO evidence to prove this. You can't point to anything to back up your claim. These organizations are the most successful on the planet at what they do, despite your dislike of their management styles.

    A couple other points: frequently (if not all the time), it's not the smartest workers who do the best job, in fact it seems that's almost never the case. It's like the tortoise and the hare story. Really smart people usually seem to not get along that well with others or be able to put up with organizational BS. How many MENSA members have made huge accomplishments in life and have their names in the record books for scientific or mathematical discoveries or anything significant really? A successful organization is able to take less-talented people and do great things with them.

    Finally, just because you don't like Jobs's or Linus's style doesn't mean others really care that much. How much did the average Apple worker have to deal with Jobs? It's not like he was micromanaging every little thing (though he was known for being micromanaging); there simply isn't enough time for the CEO to run around and harass tens of thousands of employees. Same with Linus: he doesn't usually interact with most contributors, that's what he has his lieutenants for. These public exchanges with him are usually between him and one of his lieutenants or other frequent, high-level contributors. Your average person who works on a device driver or something and submits it is not going to hear from Linus. It's little different from any big company: what goes on in the corporate boardroom or between the executives or upper management isn't privy to your typical cubicle peon. With Linux, everyone sees it because it's all on a public mailing list. Did you really care if Steve Jobs yelled at one of his direct underlings in a private office and berated him? Of course not.

  31. Re:If anyone ever talked to me like Linus or Jobs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    No, but we DO know that no other FOSS project has been remotely as successful. How many devices use BSD kernels?

    All the Apple ones. And Panasonic smart TVs. I'm sure there are many more. Aren't a lot of routers using BSD?

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  34. Lack of management by phorm · · Score: 1

    And in a lot of places, there's a lack of effective management because they've essentially been neutered, and are afraid to crack down on bad employees without a lot of history and an airtight place. This leads to places that end up with periodic "purges" because - short of getting caught pissing in the coffee pot - management is afraid to deal with employees f*** ups in the short term.

    Unions sometimes exaggerate the problem (they do fix other issues) because their mandate has them defending some fairly vile/useless people because "everyone is equal". This screws other employees over doubly because
    a) The shitty employee's lack of worth ethic and/or poor mannerisms negatively effect co-workers
    b) The union is busy defending said shitty employee at the cost of time that could be dedicated to helping good employees

    And yes, I've been in union leadership. Some people see unions as a big nebulous body but the fact is they're made up of people, and often have finite resources (manpower+funds) to deal with issues. Bad employees tie up those resources.