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Head of Indonesia's Anti-Drug Agency Proposes Using Crocodiles To Guard Prisons

HughPickens.com writes: BBC reports that Budi Waseso, the head of Indonesia's anti-drugs agency has proposed building a prison island guarded by crocodiles to house death-row drug convicts and says crocodiles make better guards than humans — because they cannot be bribed. "We will place as many crocodiles as we can there," says Waseso. "You can't bribe crocodiles. You can't convince them to let inmates escape." Waseso says only traffickers would be kept in the jail, to stop them from mixing with other prisoners and potentially recruiting them to drug gangs. The plan, reminiscent of James Bond's "Live and Let Die" movie escape, is still in the early stages, and neither the location or potential opening date of the jail have been decided. Anti-drugs agency spokesman Slamet Pribadi confirmed authorities were mulling the plan to build "a special prison for death row convicts" Indonesia already has some of the toughest anti-narcotics laws in the world, including death by firing squad for traffickers, and sparked international uproar in April when it put to death seven foreign drug convicts, including Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran. Despite the harsh laws, Indonesia's corrupt prison system is awash with drugs, and inmates and jail officials are regularly arrested for narcotics offences.

83 comments

  1. Proven, works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ask every australian.

    1. Re:Proven, works by rastos1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it costs an arm and a leg.

    2. Re:Proven, works by davester666 · · Score: 1

      better still have some real guards, otherwise someone will get control of just over 1/2 the prison population, and get them to throw the other half into the moat, then when the crocodiles are distracted, they make their escape...

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  2. Crocodiles can be bribed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just throw them a piece of meat like they do in cartoons.

    1. Re:Crocodiles can be bribed by qbast · · Score: 2

      And you have ready supply of it in form of other inmates.

    2. Re:Crocodiles can be bribed by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I guess this throws out the idea that crocodiles can't be bribed.

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    3. Re:Crocodiles can be bribed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. You could have 3 layers of guards. This obviously saves salary costs.

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  3. Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

    ... it's all a matter of procuring a few tons of meat. Just make sure that all of the crocodiles are fed before entering the crocodile-infested area.

    1. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by axlash · · Score: 2

      Even better, feed them a few tons of poisoned meat...

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    2. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or, just use an aligator repellent: http://www.wildlifeanimalcontr...
      Ammonia and human urine. I'm sure those will be VERY hard to find in a prison.

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    3. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by kuzb · · Score: 2

      Or just shoot them. Bullets are cheaper, and crocodiles can't shoot back.

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    4. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Much simpler to form an escape party of 20-50 fellow inmates.

      You will be among the last to cross the moat. Inmates are cheaper even than urine, and in the melee it won't be evident who actually offered the bribe and who was the bribe. Hop a freighter to Hong Kong, build a new identity, start over.

      Probably want to set up a simple pipeline system and back up the crocs with flaming oil. Yo do not need the prisoners' DNA.

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    5. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need tons of meat. A crocodile does not eat much.

    6. Re:Crocodiles should be easy to bribe ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      However, you don't want to find out that you underestimated the crocodiles' food intake when you're surrounded by two dozen supposedly well-fed crocodiles.

  4. Proof it won't work by Tx · · Score: 2

    This won't work. The crocs could actually be your way out. If you're really good, you won't even get your trousers wet :).

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    1. Re:Proof it won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's like Pitfall or Live and Let Die?

    2. Re:Proof it won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I leaned this trick back in the 80s

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhXMYw1lXY0

  5. AND... by warewolfsmith · · Score: 1

    And man eating sharks, and giant chickens and...

    1. Re:AND... by Rei · · Score: 1

      And this mountain is covered in wolves. Hear them howling, my hungry children?

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    2. Re:AND... by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      Sharks with... *lasers*!

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  6. In Florida... by mbone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Florida they would be more likely to use prisoners to guard crocodiles.

    1. Re:In Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IN SOVIET RUSSIA, prisoners guard YOU!

      What a country!

    2. Re:In Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And let the crocodiles man the call centers.

                        http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/12/10140493-inside-the-secret-industry-of-inmate-staffed-call-centers?lite

    3. Re:In Florida... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Frikin insufferable Libertarians everywhere.

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    4. Re:In Florida... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And let the crocodiles man the call centers.

      Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

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  7. Effective? by undecim11 · · Score: 2

    One thing's for sure. I'll never traffick drugs in Indonesia.

    1. Re:Effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am guessing the opposite. If authorities are this strongly motivated to avoid paying people enough money to do their jobs then I am guessing the larger system is ripe for abuse through bribery already.

    2. Re: Effective? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      If you're not a drug trafficker, they can make you into one instantly by planting something in your luggage. And a first offense there is death.

    3. Re: Effective? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If you're not a drug trafficker, they can make you into one instantly by planting something in your luggage. And a first offense there is death.

      But since you're in Indonesia, that's not much of a punishment.

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    4. Re: Effective? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      And a first offense there is death.

      No it isn't. Having spent quite bit of time in Indonesia, generally it's the ring leaders that are executed, any mules are merely jailed.
      And I've never heard heard of anyone claiming they were setup apart from Shappelle Corby, whose brother and father were both drug dealers, so take that claim with a grain of salt.

  8. A better alternative... by mork · · Score: 0

    What? No laser sharks?

  9. Sigh, another idea so easily abused by Vincy · · Score: 1

    Useless. You'd have to build a good wall inside the mote to prevent them "accidentally" throwing each other into it. Then again, they were death row convicts, weren't they?

    1. Re:Sigh, another idea so easily abused by Malc · · Score: 1

      That would be a really small wall. ;)

    2. Re: Sigh, another idea so easily abused by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Who cares, just drop a cornucopia in the exercise yard and tell them only one prisoner gets to leave the island

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    3. Re: Sigh, another idea so easily abused by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      ... set up cameras on the island first... get yourself a good editor, and you've got yourself a good battle royale going.

    4. Re: Sigh, another idea so easily abused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember to cut to camera 2 when one of them starts making you look bad by not being a total douche to everyone.

  10. Silly plan by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    He's obviously never heard of "quis custodiet ipsos custodes". And who will guard the crocodiles? Should be fairly easy to bribe the guy who feeds them/cares for them so that he can help arrange your "escape". Crocs aren't all that aggressive when fed. And you have to feed them otherwise you'll end up with one fat croc.

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    1. Re:Silly plan by infolation · · Score: 1

      Also crocodiles can be drugged. And indonesia's corrupt system is awash with drugs.

      A bribed, corrupt guard who allows inmates to escape could be detected. Harder to check who drugged the crocs.

    2. Re:Silly plan by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      And you have to feed them otherwise you'll end up with one fat croc.

      That is, if there is a wall around the crocs to prevent their escaping, or the crocs go away.

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    3. Re:Silly plan by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      I don't know about American crocodiles but Nile crocs can be pretty damn aggressive even when fed (your best bet is to wait till the hottest part of the day and sneak past while they take their daily sandbank naps in the sun actually).

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    4. Re:Silly plan by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      *to prevent them from escaping. Sorry!

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    5. Re:Silly plan by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Just wait until the temperature goes below 70 deg f and the crocs crawl into the mud and will let you be.

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    6. Re:Silly plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The prisoners will care for and feed the crocodiles! Although I think the first volunteers misunderstood what the warden meant by "you'll be feeding them yourselves."

    7. Re:Silly plan by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      To a large extent "quis custodiet ipsos custodes" has been solved. Extra guards to increase the cost of bribery, open procedures and oversight. Essentially everyone becomes a guard.

      Beyond that, agreed this is just silly. The psychological affect may deter some, but if you are already looking at death, what do you have to lose?

      Just more security theatre that accomplishes nothing.

    8. Re:Silly plan by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Both are fine, actually.

    9. Re:Silly plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    10. Re:Silly plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    11. Re:Silly plan by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      He's obviously never heard of "quis custodiet ipsos custodes". And who will guard the crocodiles?

      I dunno. Coast Guard?

    12. Re:Silly plan by apk+got+an+account · · Score: 1

      And I know sounds!

      Cows go moooo (thanks sexconker for teaching me that one) & waaaa is the sound I make at night time when I am all alone (assuming my meds are working, that is). Lucky for me (not so much for Dave420), I don't take my meds that often.

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    13. Re:Silly plan by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Not sure I agree that this is anything but a short term "solution". Humans are corruptible creatures and power corrupts. Look at the police forces of certain countries around the world. Like Mexico, where half the police are actually working for the cartels, and the other half are taking bribes to stay quiet about it. Or even the US is starting to see a lot of corruption now, with civil asset forfeiture. A larger group of "guards" just means that eventually you'll have more corrupt people to deal with. The problem is with the humans in the uniform.

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  11. Gators... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 0

    Only the deligators and litigators navigator that irrigator. I suppose I'll just program an escape in Jaw-va and give it as many bytes as I can: I'm sure it'll really fight tooth and scale.

    Please don't kill me.

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  12. And beyond the crocodiles... by DrXym · · Score: 0

    ... Komodo dragons.

  13. looked up excess hand gesturing on alphabet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    equals choreographed lack of genuine content? ask ed snowden our questions continues here on /. truth+mercy=justice new clear solvation

  14. using genocidal wmd on credit cabalist psychopaths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to protect us us 'ordinary citizens'? exponential phewww

  15. I can see this catching on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before Texas uses 'gators to guard the prisons?

  16. What kind of bribes are we talking about? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    I feel like these guys could probably get Uber to pick them up for $50

  17. Stuff that matters to geeks? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Is this stuff that matters to geeks? Us geeks, we generally are better off with a clear head. Or are we still reminiscing the alleged positive effects of LSD on UNIX? Don't think Ken and Dennis did drugs.

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    1. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by swb · · Score: 2

      I'll bet you both of them at least drank coffee, which makes them drug users. Given the era they grew up in, it's probably at least 50-50 they smoked, which would add a second drug. And then there's always drinking, even if it never happened while they worked (which I would bet is true, alcohol is conducive to being drunk and socializing only, IMHO). So now you have 2 almost guaranteed drugs and one very likely drug.

      I don't see acid specifically being useful for the active task of coding, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was useful to facilitate ideas or concepts for bigger picture thinking.

    2. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      Let's see...putting out an idea, novel or not, to solve a chronic problem to get interesting feedback (albeit none that's ever going to reach the source), I'd say that the comment section here is kind of like penetration testing the system on a purely theoretical level.

      So...why wouldn't this matter to geeks, whether or not one of them happens to be you?

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    3. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Us geeks, we generally are better off with a clear head.

      In Putinist Amerika, clear head betters you!

      Or are we still reminiscing the alleged positive effects of LSD on UNIX?

      I had, involuntarily, a couple of "guests", recently who were tripping their balls off on LSD. They were generally incoherent and annoying, and one of them wanted to incite sexual relations with a large poster that I have hanging on the wall from the film, "Metropolis". When I watch documentaries about the 60's, folks who are tripping seem to speak some mumbo-jumbo about love. I guess the LSD these days is different.

      Don't think Ken and Dennis did drugs.

      No, not in goddamned New Jersey, Murray Hill . . . drugs did them.

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    4. Re: Stuff that matters to geeks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't speak of things you don't understand, and your bias has no ground.

    5. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      FBI director James Comey said he was having trouble finding good talent that didn't smoke weed. Also, you're full of shit, as everyone gets high one way or another.

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    6. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Is this stuff that matters to geeks?

      Yes, but only to the extent that if the crocodiles don't work out as well as planned we hope that they will be fitted with lasers.

    7. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      Eloquent POV. Almost as if you're trying to invision a world where everyone's doing drugs and thus inducing the idea that narcotics are fine. Were you high when you posted? Are you stil? And on what if I may ask? Is it legal? If so, can we get some? Should we get some?

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    8. Re:Stuff that matters to geeks? by swb · · Score: 1

      Almost as if you're trying to invision a world where everyone's doing drugs

      Actually, I'm looking at a world where most people actually do drugs, they just don't consider caffeine, nicotine, or alcohol as drugs.

      and thus inducing the idea that narcotics are fine.

      Straw man. I never claimed narcotics (eg, opioids) "were fine" although since the 1950s every objective risk analysis of drugs puts drugs like alcohol and tobacco well above opioids in terms of actual harm potential. It must be true, though, as the best treatment for heroin addiction is methadone or buprenorphine maintenance. Many people take opioids for chronic pain management for years without issue since they lack the corrosive side effects of alcohol (liver damage, brain damage, metabolic dysfunction). The only real risk in some users is chronic dependency, but given the quantities consumed versus known rates of addiction, it's likely grossly overrated as a risk due to ignorance, politics, and relentless law enforcement pressure.

      Were you high when you posted? Are you stil? And on what if I may ask? Is it legal? If so, can we get some? Should we get some?

      Probably drinking coffee. Fine drug, improves alertness and cognitive focus. I believe its fairly easy to come by.

  18. It's an HR problem by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    They really shouldn't have hired an ex-Bond villain for the position.

  19. Lizards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say we replace the Indonesian governement with Lizards on the same grounds.

  20. Mine Is Better by JimSadler · · Score: 0

    I have had the concept of a high speed hospice for quite some time. the family or attendant pulls up to what looks like a huge mail slot in a wall and the ill person is dropped through the slot onto a slide which slides them into a pit full of gators. That will cure what ails them. but we could do the same thing with prisoners. immediately after sentencing we could put them on a slide from the courtroom to the pit. As far as appeals go I am sure the gators below will find the convict appealing. We do need to come up with hand cuffs and the like that the gators can easily digest. By doing this we can convert convicts into lovely luggage and shoes and maybe use the gator hides to make sofas and the like. And we can get rid of drunk drivers once and for all.

    1. Re:Mine Is Better by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I think your idea is a croc(k). same as the article.

      But you might interest organized crime to finance a test, to help them "clean up" loose ends. Of course, eventually you too will be one of those loose ends, which judging from your proposals might be better for society in the long run :-)

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  21. Question of sanity come to mind? by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

    Oh well, at least they did give of coffee that is the most expensive in the world and comes from the fecal matter of a civet cat. I guess I should not be surprised by this idea.

  22. Coming soon to theaters ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    Crocnado!!

    Zombie Crocodiles!

    Mega Croc vs Mecha Croc!

    Mega Croc vs Godzilla!

    Super Croc!

    Attack of the Jurassic Croc!

    Two Headed Croc Attack!

    I for one welcome our new Crocodile Prison Guard overlords.

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  23. heh by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    In unrelated news, Indonesia prisons start generating revenue by selling handmade crocodile skin boots, belts and underwear...

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  24. C'mon have some imagination by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 1

    If you're going to go all absurd at least be creative. Komodo dragons are much scarier than crocs.

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  25. Perhaps the conversation went like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I have one simple request.

    Sharks with frickin lasers attached to their heads. Now evidently you guys informs me that that cannot be done...

    Sigh...

    Ok, let's go for your boring alligators then.

    1. Re:Perhaps the conversation went like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. Re:But union problems by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    [pedant] The term you are looking for is "moot". [/pedant]

  27. ha ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only on \. can you refer to a drug enforcement branch as an anti-drug branch.

    You have to be high if you're into GoT and rebuilding the kernel for everything.

  28. Tigers however do not relish the peach. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    at least they won't have to worry about anyone attacking the guards with a peach.

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  29. crocodiles also don't care if you escape... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    they may get a little hungry. Sounds worse than what it actually is.

  30. What if they get the crocodiles hooked on drugs?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have the considered what might happen if the inmates get the crocodiles addicted to hard drugs and ride them back into society?