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Belgian Home Affairs Minister: Terrorists Communicate Via PlayStation 4 (qz.com)

bricko writes with story at Quartz reporting the words of Belgium's home affairs minister Jan Jambon, who says that ISIL operators communicate using their PlayStation 4s; "which allows terrorists to communicate with each other and is difficult for the authorities to monitor. 'PlayStation 4 is even more difficult to keep track of than WhatsApp,' he said. The gaming console also was implicated in ISIL's plans back in June, when an Austrian teen was arrested for downloading bomb plans to his PS4." This seems a strange place to concentrate investigators' energies; terrrorists could be communicating in the chat session on the side of many social media games, too, or by any number of other means; Jambon would do well to read through some of the movie plotlines that Bruce Schneier has gathered.

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  1. LOL by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    We should ban all communication devices that terrorists might use, including pigeons

    1. Re:LOL by scum-e-bag · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:LOL by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should ban all communication devices that terrorists might use, including pigeons

      I know you are trying to be sarcastic but no, we should fire politicians who go on interviews and give away our knowledge of the nature terrorist communications for being stupid idiots. A few years ago some Bush White House functionary proudly announced to the media that a prominent Al Qaeda figure had been located by tracking his satellite phone signal. An hour later all of the Al Qaeda chatter went silent and with it the signals intelligence. It is almost always more useful to sit and listen to these bozos talk than it is to block their comms or brag about what you know about their comms in the media.

  2. Either this is false or they are idiots by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Either this information is false, or the Belgian minister is an idiot. If we can track them on a single platform, it would be dumb to let them know, because they will move somewhere else. It would also be dumb to tell them that it is hard for authorities to monitor if that was actually true. So I assume this is all false information disseminated as a deception.

    1. Re:Either this is false or they are idiots by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Funny

      He is pretending to be ignorant and incompetent to give the terrorists a false sense of security.

      That, or maybe he is simply Belgian.

    2. Re:Either this is false or they are idiots by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, he is attempting to provide political impetus to be able to make laws banning the use of end to end encrypted chat sessions, so that he can spy on everyone.

    3. Re:Either this is false or they are idiots by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      Yes preventing the mass usage of end to end encryption would be the conclusion.
      Though he has a point. Reducing encrypted communication makes it harder for them to hide. With everyone using encryption it becomes impossible to track them down. If only a few end users use it there is a chance to find them through the metadata.
      Not making encryption a standard implementation means that you and me can still use it, but authorities could find out that you and me exchanged encrypted communication.

    4. Re:Either this is false or they are idiots by geoskd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Edward Snowden is a sainted genius for doing the EXACT SAME THING, only FAR, FAR more and worse.

      Snowden is praised because he revealed the mass invasion of privacy against individuals who are not terrorists and have no affiliation with terrorists.

      Mass surveillance is bad because sooner or later, the government becomes the terrorist, and the ultimate goal is to lay the groundwork in advance so that removing these tyrants is as bloodless and painless as possible. Mass surveillance, and the disarming of the populace are measures taken to make it easier for those in power to stay in power. We need to take any and all actions reasonable to ensure that those in power remain rightfully fearful of the governed masses. When they no longer fear the power of the people, the corruption begins. It doesn't take very long after that for the human rights abuses, and ultimately outright tyranny in its worst incarnations.

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  3. Clueless. by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 2

    With all the spying on its citizens, the governments are still clueless!

    1. Re:Clueless. by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And afterwards "they" always say: oh yes, we had this guy on our watchlist.

      So - then fucking do something with that information!!!

  4. Game chat by phorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, game-chat would probably be a good (for them) way to hide certain types of planning. I'm not saying it's true, but for a modern shooter or perhaps FPS, they could simply substitute "game" targets for real-life ones, and otherwise the conversation might sound much you would hear in some games.

    OK, so sneak your infiltrator into the enemy Science Centre. There will be about 3 guards in positions X, Y, and Z. Group B will take them out, then you delivery the package by 14:00. Meanwhile group C enter the mass relay by 13:50, and take out all present. Group A will attempt to take out enemy power infrastructure and cause confusion at 13:30.

    Maybe some of it would sound like weird BS, but would *you* suspect that some of the weird guys in CoD were actually plotting nefarious things in real life? Some of the shit that trolls said might be a good cover too, as most sane people either mute them or just ignore it. As a mid-level gamer I'm not sure I could tell the difference between a real-life nutball and the online nutball variety.

    1. Re:Game chat by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not saying it's true, but for a modern shooter or perhaps FPS, they could simply substitute "game" targets for real-life ones, and otherwise the conversation might sound much you would hear in some games.

      Heh. I've never heard anyone use in-game chat like that. The closest I've ever encountered was someone strategizing how to violate another player's mother.

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    2. Re:Game chat by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You do actually have a point. Trying out Metal Gear Online with a couple of friends a week ago, I found myself stopping to think about just how dodgy our conversation would sound taken out of context. Hell, I remember conversations from my Counter-Strike days about where best to plant the bomb and how quickly we should be aiming to rush to the nuke. If the NSA really are listening in on everything we do on a "keyword" basis, then the average online game must be a hilariously massive flood of false positives for them.

  5. Freedom vs Terrorists by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    Terrorists have attacked again. Drop your freedoms and bend over.

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  6. Re:for the love of god by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're far more likely to die by slipping in your bathtub.

    That's because your bathtub is designed by terrorists

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  7. Do-it-themselves by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would any sane terrorist use any sort of service run by someone else? That just makes them vulnerable. Any sort of PC, install Linux and set up their own private XMPP server, instant fully-encrypted communications without leaving any logs or other traces on anyone else's systems where the authorities could get access to them. And with the authorities' current focus on social media it adds the additional layer of security of not being where anyone's looking for them to be. Geesh, I think government officials have been reading too many best-seller spy novels and listening to too few tech geeks.

    1. Re:Do-it-themselves by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would any sane terrorist use any sort of service run by someone else? That just makes them vulnerable. Any sort of PC, install Linux and set up their own private XMPP server, instant fully-encrypted communications without leaving any logs or other traces on anyone else's systems where the authorities could get access to them. And with the authorities' current focus on social media it adds the additional layer of security of not being where anyone's looking for them to be. Geesh, I think government officials have been reading too many best-seller spy novels and listening to too few tech geeks.

      It is counter intuitive, but encryption can actually make you more visible. NSA eavesdropping or not, the vast majority of people communicating on the internet still does not bother with encryption or uses something the NSA is known to be able to crack like HTTPS (well up to a point anyway). So if you are looking for a bunch of terrorist, start tracking the flow of encrypted signals traffic coming out of the Middle East starting with countries like Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan that are adjacent to Syria/Iraq and start with the most heavily encrypted traffic because that's most likely their boss relaying his orders and then just wait to see where the encrypted data ends up. You don't necessarily have to crack the messages just see where they end up. Once you know that you can start scratching the recipients off your list one by one. The FBI has caught blackmailers and hackers this way, they were the only ones generating heavily encrypted comms in some area. This kind of signals intelligence analysis is also why Al Qaeda resorted to using couriers carrying encrypted USB keys which worked pretty well for Bin Laden until he finally got sloppy after 11 years of successfully staying off the radar.

    2. Re:Do-it-themselves by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Why would any sane terrorist use any sort of service run by someone else? That just makes them vulnerable. Any sort of PC, install Linux and set up their own private XMPP server, instant fully-encrypted communications without leaving any logs or other traces on anyone else's systems where the authorities could get access to them....

      Will you be happy if they follow your advice and become untraceable?

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    3. Re:Do-it-themselves by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More to the point, setting up a secure communications network requires technological know-how. While almost everyone uses some form of encrypted communications, very few people have the means to assess how secure those communications are. The end result is that the whole system is based upon trust. We trust that the underlying encryption algorithms are secure. We trust that the software that implements those algorithms is secure. We trust that the people who generate certificates are trustworthy. We trust that the means of distributing and verifying certificates is secure. We trust that everyone in the chain knows what they are doing so that a simple misconfiguration doesn't diminish the value of the whole system. And that is before you consider malice.

      Create your own network, and red flags are raised. The people responsible for investigating those networks are going to look at each potential weakness in the chain, and exploit them if they can.

  8. Re:for the love of god by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    among the last 9 stories only 1 is about terrorism. try new glasses maybe?

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  9. Re:for the love of god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You seem to have forgotten that the Internet spans the entire world. And that many /. readers are not from the USA.

    while I agree that the news coverage on the subject is often a bit excessive in some regards I strongly disagree with your apparent position that the 127 people who died in France yesterday and the hundreds of others who die every month elsewhere in the world don't matter because they are not American.

    and FYI I am an American, I just have a broader world view than you have demonstrated.

  10. Re:for the love of god by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    can we get 1 article not about terrorism? Something like 30 Americans have died from terrorism in the past 5 years. You're far more likely to die by slipping in your bathtub. The news coverage on terrorism is INSANELY blown out of proportion. I'd be fine not seeing another one for the rest of this decade.

    At least this article has a technical angle, albeit a strange one. Throughout history entities have sought to keep their communications secret. At times obscurity was the order of the day, at other times cryptography was the method of choice, and sometimes a combination of the two are used.

    Now that it's pointed out I'm not all that surprised that this kind of Internet-based medium would be used; it's specialized enough to be easily overlooked and given the nature of what's said on gaming systems during gameplay that there might not be much desire on the part of the operator of the proprietary system to monitor or even log communications. Of course, a downside, playing devil's advocate, is that if the operator of the system is logging, even if only to be able to address abuse after the fact, they might be able to comb through communications and uncover the participants, their IP addresses and possibly a degree of geolocation, plus any discussed plots including those that might not have been carried-out.

    One of the things that kind of bothers me is that in this era of so much spying, including the very likely state of warrantless surveillance, that we've had high profile examples where that questionable system has failed. We had a fake expert on terrorism that lied about his credentials for many years. We've had cases of American domestic terrorism and mass-shootings that were publicized in advance by the shooters that were not uncovered or stopped. We've had cases of international terrorism in Western nations that were not uncovered. Clearly this spying is not only questionable in its legitimacy, but it's not even effective. Proponents can't claim that all of this spying on us, all of this expense and the chilling effects of known surveillance aren't even making us safer, so it's a net-negative.

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  11. A kind of steganography by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This makes complete sense. It's kind of a steganography, putting their data in where it can't be separated out easily or flagged because it blends in with the rest of it.

  12. Oh joy! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Have we found a way to tack yet another shooting on games. I'm impressed, I thought you couldn't steer this one towards the bad, evil games of murder, but leave it to our politicians to find a way.

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  13. Re: for the love of god by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

    I don't think "NOT PLAYING" is a valid option here. This is not two nuclear superpowers fighting each other, this is nuclear-capable countries fighting individual terrorists cells all over the place, hidden in the population.

  14. Re:for the love of god by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, slipping in your bathtub is preventable.

    Indeed. The French have perfected a method for reducing - or even totally avoiding - this risk.

    According to the Australians, the Brits aren't far behind.

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  15. Power by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We need to take any and all actions reasonable to ensure that those in power remain rightfully fearful of the governed masses.

    Or you know, you could begin by not giving that much power to the government.
    There's this small thing called "direct democracy" (= where it is the actual people who have the final say on everything. Not some representatives, but the general population). You should try it sometimes.

    Oh, and please no dummy complaints that "it only works in very small territories". Come on. It's 2015. We're in the Internet Age.

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    1. Re:Power by geoskd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Direct democracy doesnâ(TM)t work at any scale. The problem is that any grouping of people will take steps to exclude people from the group. This means that *any* group of people will oppress a smaller group given the opportunity. The problem is worsened when the oppressing group is large enough to offer some degree of anonymity. This has been proven to be an enabler for all of the worst kinds of human behaviour. The United States founding fathers were correct in that the biggest threat to any populace is its own government.

      The fundamental goal of any moral government has to be the defense of the rights of the people, even when those right cost the greater whole. When any segment of society looses fundamental rights, no ones rights are safe.

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