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This October Was the Hottest Ever Measured (scienceblogs.com)

GregLaden writes: Scientists track the global surface temperature, an average of readings from thermometers at approximately head height, and an estimate of sea surface temperatures, in order to track global warming. Over the last year or so we have been seeing many record-breaking months. Now, both the Japan Meteorological Agency and NASA have identified October as an extraordinary month. October 2016 is significantly warmer than any other in the NASA record, which goes back to 1880.

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  1. Climate has never not been changing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    News at 11.

    (Oh, and trying to stop it is like trying to stop the Earth from rotating)

    1. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by Glock27 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You'd better take a long look at my post below regarding satellite measurements. The recent trumpeting of warmest this and that is highly suspect - including the "2014 is the warmest year on record" claim.

      It's enough to make you think there's a hidden agenda or something...

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    2. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not the point. Point: it's never changed this fast, and it's our fault. Denier doesn't get it, news at 11:05.

      True science needs deniers:

      That is the essence of science: ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer. - - Jacob Bronowski

      The "Science" of Physics was "settled" back in the time of Issac Newton. Oops, then came Einstein along! Our views on global climate change are based on we *think* is right, based on the facts that we have today. In another 100 years, things might look very differently. Hey, using blood-sucking leeches to treat sick folks seemed like a good idea a while back! The gag is, blood-sucking leeches are back in fashion in modern medicine: it turns out that they are very useful in restoring blood flow to skin transplants.

      Even Einstein himself, probably one of the most gifted minds that ever walked on this planet, had problems with that newfangled Quantum Theory:

      Einstein: "God does not play dice!"

      Niels Bohr: "Stop telling God what to do!"

      Erwin Schrödinger: "So, is like, my cat dead or alive . . . ?"

      Einstein: "If I had my way, all those cats would be dead! They pee on my furniture, and shit in my shoes!"

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    3. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True science needs deniers:

      No, True science needs challengers.

      You can deny the Gravitational Theory all you want, but if I drop an anvil on your head, you're still dead.

      On the other hand, if someone challenges that gravity must inevitably operate in such and such a way and that leads to development of anti-grav technology, that's True science.

    4. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "Science" of Physics was "settled" back in the time of Issac Newton. Oops, then came Einstein along!

      Well, yes and no. Yes in relativistic environments (near light speed) you get a different physics. But this is only applicable to elementary particles and the like.

      For the rest: all the calculations that were done previously using Newton's laws: the force needed to change the speed of an (not relativistic) object (cars, trains, elements of a machine...) are STILL calculated using newtons law.

      And this is the hallmark of the true science denier: he wants to use the fact that science is allways in motion to promote the notion that nothing is ever certain. I can assure you that whatever new theories there will be found concerning the laws of physics they will have to comply with all known observations and therefore will have to be in compliance with newton's laws for normal day to day objects.

      Einsteins theories have not supplanted Newton's theory gave an extension for elementary particles. BTW talking about Bohr and the theory of quantum mechanics: there is no sane way to apply these to macroscopic objects. For that you NEED newton's laws. So in that sense they are more complementary.

    5. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem that I have with anthropogenic global warming is that it started out sounded like a science-based issue, but it has since moved into the realm that's more reminiscent of a religion (complete with established dogma, punishment of heretics, an apocalyptic theology, etc.). Most proponents today sound less like reasonable people and more and more like shrill cultists holding up placards proclaiming the end is nigh.

      It also disturbs me that AGW proponents have not only created an echo-chamber for themselves within the university system, but have also carefully tailored what appears to be an unfalsifiable hypothesis. It's very difficult to conceive of any data that could contradict it. And when data DOES come along that seemingly does contradict it--rather than reconsidering the hypothesis itself, proponents merely "adjust" the data until it nicely fits the hypothesis again.

      Meanwhile, individual weather patterns continue to be dismissed as "just weather" when they are mild or abnormally cold, but sung from the rooftops as evidence of AGW when they are usually chaotic or hot. This very report cites October as the hottest October on record as evidence of global warming. Will it therefore be evidence AGAINST global warming if this December is the coldest December on record? Or will the same people who cited this report as AGW evidence suddenly dismiss that as "just a minor weather pattern, not related to climate."? Or maybe the data would somehow be cleverly be "adjusted" until December turns into the hottest on record instead (you see, that initial data didn't take into account a huge adjustment for ocean currents being very strong in the Indian Ocean this year, therefore we have to adjust it up several degrees to compensate).

      I know this will get me modded down on /. But that is why I've come to seriously doubt the idea of anthropocentric global warming over the last several years, and why I have come to believe that the issue is more about religious zealotry and social agendas than actual science.

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    6. Re: Climate has never not been changing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anybody else curious that they reference October 2016 in the article, not 2015? I'm not sure that I can trust this information, maybe it needs another correction. :-)

    7. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Global Warming...it causes EVERYTHING!!

      Nice little circular theory you got there.

    8. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem that I have with anthropogenic global warming is that it started out sounded like a science-based issue, but it has since moved into the realm that's more reminiscent of a religion (complete with established dogma, punishment of heretics, an apocalyptic theology, etc.).

      IOW you were fine with it until somebody noticed that there could be real life consequences. Then you locked up, because that's something only religions talk about, but not real science - that lives in a world of spherical cows in a vacuum on a frictionless surface.

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    9. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It's not an echo chamber, it's science. If someone can demonstrate AGW is not happening, they will find fame and fortune in these exact same institutions. They will be lauded and given wealth and opportunity beyond measure."

      Pull the other one.

    10. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by CaptainLard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem that I have with anthropogenic global warming is that it started out sounded like a science-based issue, but it has since moved into the realm that's more reminiscent of a religion (complete with established dogma, punishment of heretics, an apocalyptic theology, etc.).

      So what? The science is still there no matter how much perceived crap is on top of it! The greenhouse effect still traps radiated heat from sources such as incident light (see: your car with the windows up in the sun). CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas in atmosphere (see: Venus). The carbon cycle has recorded itself in all sorts of ways so we have a general picture of whats "normal" (see: tree rings, ice cores, fossil record). Humans are currently contributing carbon to the atmosphere that is NOT part of the usual cycle (see: oil rigs digging 5 miles into the earth) but was sequestered a long time ago when conditions were drastically different.

      If you stop worrying about how some guy says some data point may be off by 0.3% and look at what we know about the physical world we occupy it should be obvious that we should be spending time and money on reducing our carbon footprint.

    11. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because, according to AGW zealots, EVERYTHING is evidence of AGW. And AGW has exactly ZERO contraindications.

    12. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When somebody like you calls the adjusted, normalized field data average monthly temperature data, my head just wants to explode. Even the Climatologists call it "Data product".

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    13. Re:Climate has never not been changing. by TonyXL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So basically whatever happens (more snow, less snow, more ice, less ice, etc.) the cause can be attributed to global warming. Got it.

  2. Why this is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Scientists track the global surface temperature, an average of readings from thermometers at approximately head height, and an estimate of sea surface temperatures, in order to track global warming. "

    There hasn't been thermometers at approximately head height all over the world until about 8 years ago. In addition, the "estimate" of sea surface temperatures are done by models. And models have been proven to be complete utter bunk. How would they possibly have "estimated" what sea surface temperatures were from the 1880s? Therefore the conclusions reached are complete nonsense.

    Although I 100% agree with AGW, the science is suspect.

  3. Re:NASA ignoring satellite measurements... by Yoda222 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which part of the statement "This October Was the Hottest Ever Measured" is the uah data supposed to completely "lack of correlation" with? When I look at the global temperature in the uah data (http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc_lt_5.6.txt , Globe column) and take only October (month=10), I see that October 2015 is indeed the warmer, with a delta of 0.57 degC with 1981-2010, where the previous warmest were 2012 and 2014 with 0.37 each.

    It's relatively difficult to see that in your plot, as you give a plot with all temperatures, including October and the other 11 months of the year.

  4. Cui bono? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite frankly, I start to get pissed. Ok, folks, from both sides of the fence, please tell me why. Why would the "other side" lie, and lie so vehemently to start something that is nothing short of a religious war by now?

    What's in it for you, specifically? I can see why corporations would fight accepting human created climate change tooth and nail considering that emission control is coming up right behind such an admission. What do you have to gain or lose from siding with whatever side you're not on that you go into full blown shitstorm mode whenever the topic comes up?

    And this is by far not the only topic that gets people worked up. What the fuck is wrong with you? Have no problems so you have to create some to get worked up about, so you feel like you still exist?

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  5. Re:Back to the future.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    keeping academics awash in a government funding jackpot

    Those filthy rich scientists, awash in money. Yes, they're the problem. Greedy goddamn climate scientists and their grubby-handed grad student research assistants. Living like kings while the honest energy industry has to scratch out a subsistence with nothing but hard work and grit.

    I'll tell you, this world is upside-down.

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  6. Where does the sun go at night? by truck_soccer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can't answer THAT, scientists.

  7. SO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...is Slashdot going to post this crap once a month proclaiming that interpolated, estimated, revised, and combined data sets show each moth is the Hottest Eeeevurr!!

    Lets get real here people, they've polluted the data so badly they can't even provide the original, unedited data. NOAA essentially threw out high quality, well calibrated data collected from purpose built devices by combining it with low quality, uncontrolled data from ships. Image if some drug company took data derived from blood samples measuring a drug level and decided they needed to "adjust" it with samples taken from urine.

    Agenda driven Science is what it is.

  8. The Problem With Climate Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Climate Science has a big problem. That is that they can't seem to come up with a theory that is falsifiable. At first, they said if the pause continues for 10 years then it might mean something. Then, as ten years approached, they changed to twenty years. Now, as we approach 20 years, some are suggesting 50 years. Others are trying their best to just make the cause go away. BTW, out of 5 major studies on the Pause, only one, NOAA, claimed the Pause doesn't exist.

    Here is an example of your typical Climate Science paper.

    Money Shot:
    However, internal climate variability creates irreducible uncertainty in the projected future trends in snow resource potential, with about 90% of snow-sensitive basins showing potential for either increases or decreases over the near-term decades.

    So, it will snow more, or it will snow less. Either way, Climate Changes is the cause.

    How can anyone take this seriously?

    1. Re:The Problem With Climate Science by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Their "theory" seems to be that if it is indeed getting hotter (note there is no consensus on this point), the only possible explanation is CO2 from human activity. This is essentially an appeal to correlation to prove causation. Correlation never proved causation. Ever. This is junk science, pure and simple. Experimentation on a global scale is technologically impossible. So we are left with modeling. Without a proven model, correlation is fundamentally incapable of proving causation. The model needs to be far more sophisticated than the current weather models that use partial differential equations and are good for pretty much three days then blow up due to not knowing initial conditions well enough. Laymen somehow think it is easier to model climate than weather. This is nonsense. Climate is nothing more or less than the integral of weather, and if you cannot solve for a function, you cannot solve for its integral except in trivial linear systems. Weather and climate are chaotic. Let's face the fact that some things are simply unknowable with our current technology.