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Microsoft Brings Its Embrace-Extend-Extinguish Game To K-12 Schools?

theodp writes: A year after it paid $2.5 billion to buy Minecraft, Microsoft has announced a partnership with Code.org that makes a Minecraft-themed introduction to programming a signature tutorial of this year's Hour of Code, which hopes to reach 200 million schoolchildren next month in what the Microsoft-funded nonprofit is billing as the largest learning event in history. "A core part of our mission to empower every person on the planet is equipping youth with computational thinking and problem-solving skills to succeed in an increasingly digital world," said Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella in a press release, which also notes that "Microsoft is gifting Windows Store credit to every educator who organizes an Hour of Code event worldwide." Of the Minecraft tutorial, Code.org CEO Hadi Partovi gushed, "Compared to what you would otherwise be doing for school, this is, like, the best thing ever."

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  1. Clickbait title? by jarich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where's the embrace and extinguish?

    1. Re:Clickbait title? by ilsaloving · · Score: 2, Informative

      Developers. If you can flood the market with people who know how to code, then you can pay them at fast-food worker wages.

    2. Re:Clickbait title? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      The butthurt is strong in this one...

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    3. Re:Clickbait title? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its Microsoft, thats more than enough for some people to FUD the place up...

      My kid's elementary school has an after school class where the kids write Minecraft plugins in Python. The kids enjoy it, and even the girls like it since Minecraft involves mostly building rather than just boy-oriented destruction. I don't see how this creates any lock-in for Microsoft, since the skills are portable, and Microsoft doesn't control Python. Microsoft may get some small advantage from this, but the kids benefit more.

    4. Re:Clickbait title? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slashdot editors, can we please drop the flamebait summaries. Every discussion about education turns into a shitfest anyway, without TFS having to amp it up.

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    5. Re:Clickbait title? by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well the sooner we can destroy the fallacy that coding is something beyond the ken of most mere mortals, the sooner we can get salaries down to what they should be.

      Holy shit - who let the MBAs in here?

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    6. Re:Clickbait title? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Well the sooner we can destroy the fallacy that coding is something beyond the ken of most mere mortals, the sooner we can get salaries down to what they should be

      I hear Ben Carson is doing the same for brain surgery.

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    7. Re:Clickbait title? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Microsoft now owns Minecraft and they can do whatever they want with it. They may be using Python now, but that can change in a heartbeat.

      Then the school is free to dump Minecraft and move to something else. They didn't use Python because of Minecraft. They had already decided to teach Python, and then picked Minecraft because it used Python. The students also write Python plug-ins for FreeCAD and print their projects on a 3D printer. There are plenty of other options.

      Btw, you can write Minecraft plug-ins in languages other than Python, including C++ and Java. You may be able to use C# or VB as well.

    8. Re:Clickbait title? by Bengie · · Score: 2

      Coding is only 20% of making a system that works well. The other 80% is understanding the problem, designing an elegant solution to the problem, and understanding the myriad of ways to implement the solution. As a programmer, I don't get paid to code. I spend most of my time researching, thinking, and discussing.

  2. Thinking? by fredrated · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One can teach critical thinking without any reference to computers or programming. Teach that and computers will follow like wet follows rain. Teach it using 'computers' and the kids will have no idea what they are doing.

  3. Wait, Google and Apple don't do this? by Isca · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last time I looked Apple was constantly offering discounted iPads and apple products to lock schools and minds into the apple ecosystem.

    Last time I looked Google was constantly offering discounted chromebooks and pushing schools into the google ecosystem, especially with gmail and google docs.

    I'm sick and tired of the Microsoft is evil crap. Yes, 20 years ago they tried to embrace, extend and extinguish their standards over open standards to the entire internet. But they didn't win. The average consumer is not a microsoft consumer, they are a Apple or Google consumer.

    So what did Microsoft do? They determined their core market was Office and Servers (through azure). Everything they've done over the past few years has been geared towards furthering those goals. Windows 10 is mostly a ploy to put those two platforms first, in the same way Google and Apple serve to put their platforms first.

    But you know what's different? Microsoft is more open than they've ever been, ever. Heck, their Azure cloud service even has first rate support for running your favorite flavor of linux on their servers. They've open sourced much of their codebase for C# and have been focused on allowing their system to write code for themselves and any of their competitors.

    Of course they are going to lean towards supporting their own systems and will make changes to the root of the product to enhance their other offerings. They are a for-profit corporation, just like Google and Apple. But they've been far more open and less heavy handed than those two in the last 5 years.

    1. Re:Wait, Google and Apple don't do this? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sick and tired of the Microsoft is evil crap. Yes, 20 years ago they tried to embrace, extend and extinguish their standards over open standards to the entire internet. But they didn't win. The average consumer is not a microsoft consumer, they are a Apple or Google consumer.

      Depends on how "consumer" is defined. The vast majority of tablets and phones belong to the Apple/Google duopoly, hands-down. However, the majority of home computers/laptops are definitely still running Windows, and in spite of Microsoft's efforts to drive them off with their latest UI, there's no indication that too many folks are going to budge off of Windows anytime soon. Meanwhile XBox still dukes it out with Playstation, and seems to be holding its own in that arena.

      I guess I'm just saying that you may have been a wee bit too simplistic on that one...

      You are right in that Microsoft relies on the trinity of Office/Exchange/Desktops as their bread-and-butter (everything else they sell is ancillary to these, including SCOM/SCCM, SharePoint, Windows Server and SQL Server... because without the aforementioned threesome, who the hell would need that other crap in the server room?) That said? Outside of the XBox, they've not really made much in the way of inroads in the past decade or so (and in the XBox's case, has that thing actually reached any kind of usable ROI yet, or is it still in the R&D loss-leader cost hole?)

      But they've been far more open and less heavy handed than those two in the last 5 years.

      Maybe more open and less heavy-handed than they used to be, but IMHO neither Apple or Google can touch Microsoft's level of EEE. Also, Microsoft has become kinder/gentler on the interoperability front *only* for two reasons:

      1) because they got their asses handed to them in mobile, and
      2) because the other two big players (Apple, Google) are currently making serious inroads into the hearts and minds of consumers, both at work and home ...and this means Microsoft is being forced to play nice these days by necessity. After all, you don't see them playing nice when it comes to consoles, do you?

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    2. Re:Wait, Google and Apple don't do this? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sick and tired of the Microsoft is evil crap.

      Me too. I wish they'd just give up the evil already.

      Yes, 20 years ago they tried to embrace, extend and extinguish their standards over open standards to the entire internet

      Are you claiming they'e stopped?

      You might want to look at ooxml and the subbverting of the ISO standards body and the SDXC card debacle.

      In case your wondering for the latter they've managed t oget their patent encumbered, yet not novel or very good exFAT filesystem embedded into the SDXC standard. That's pure rent-seeking, plain and simple.

      Oh and then there's the Linux patent shakedown on Android. Nice phone you have there, shame something should happen to it. Tell you what, pay us a bunch and we'll go away. But we won't even tell you what the patents. If you want to even find out what we might be suing you for, we're going to make you engage in a very costly lawsuit.

      Yeah, nice, big fluffy, happy microsoft. Tell you what, you *should* be sick and tired of the evil microsoft crap because it's sickening.

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    3. Re:Wait, Google and Apple don't do this? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > I'm sick and tired of the Microsoft is evil crap.

      Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the problem go away.

      1. Maybe if Microsoft would come clean with how much data they collect people might actually trust them again.

      Microsoft also provides some country specific domains such as .co.uk, .fr, .it, .de, .es, .th, .tk, .co.jp
      * Currently all e-mail service customer data is stored in the U.S. even if the account name contains a country specific domain.

      2. Gee, nice to know MS is back porting their privacy-invading Windows 10 features to Windows 7, 8.

      Every time you turn around MS is selling you out.

  4. Headline doesn't mention Amazon & iTunes credi by Isca · · Score: 3, Informative

    More headline trolling details: Amazon & iTunes credits are given to teachers too as the link above states in the freaking post timothy made. But sure, go ahead and bash microsoft for putting money into a program that is trying to teach using a tool that is extremely popular among the very population that you are targeting.

  5. Re:bribing teachers.. by theodp · · Score: 2

    Hey, back in the day you could buy votes for a drink! Perhaps more effective than the $10 prizes though, is the $500,000 in prizes Code.org dangles to entice schools to get with the program(ming), or (in the past), the $750 gift codes Code.org offered to teachers who got their students to code (with $250 more for teachers of girls).

  6. How tutorials will be evaluated for inclusion by theodp · · Score: 2

    Not that it has anything to do with the Minecraft lessons being designated a signature Hour of Code tutorial, at least according to the evaluation criteria below, but Code.org's biggest donors coincidentally include Microsoft ($3M+), Ballmer Family Giving ($3M+), and Bill Gates ($1M+). And Code.org's CEO, who once reported to Satya Nadella, is coincidentally a sometimes jogging partner of Steve Ballmer, as well as the next-door neighbor of Microsoft President and Code.org Board member Brad Smith.

    Hour of Code: How tutorials will be evaluated for inclusion:
    Tutorials will be listed higher if they are:
    high quality
    designed for beginners - among students AND teachers
    designed as a ~ 1 hour activity
    require no sign up
    require no payment
    require no installation
    work across many OS/device platforms, including mobile and tablets
    work across multiple languages
    promote learning by all demographic groups (esp. under-represented groups)
    not pure HTML+CSS web design focus - (our goal is computer science, not just HTML coding)

  7. really an "hour" of code by deodiaus2 · · Score: 2

    At best it exposes a bit of coding to kids. At worst, it turns them off completely.
    However, even writing a damn "Hello World" takes hours if a novice has to do it with some support. Much more if there is no hand holding involved. I have seen adults struggle to find the matching closing quote problem. I had to fight with a problem because I typed code in with MS-Word, which used the slanted quotes, which gave me some weird error, something along the lines of incorrect encoding.

  8. Re:MISSION: To obliterate the wages of programmers by bfpierce · · Score: 2

    Listen, if your job is threatened by school children coding in Scratch I don't know what you've been doing for the last few years, but it certainly doesn't involve making smart career moves.

  9. Re:I Understand Why... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

    It's the other way around - Math and critical thinking help in programming.

  10. Re:oh, so they won't learn THAT much right? by bfpierce · · Score: 2

    Wondering how you come to the conclusion of a flooded job market. Oh right, it's the hyperbole train.

  11. I don't think so by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    "Compared to what you would otherwise be doing for school, this is, like, the best thing ever."

    Better than giving nerds wedgies? I don't think so.

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  12. Re:MISSION: To obliterate the wages of programmers by pete6677 · · Score: 2

    What a great idea. Let's make programming dull as shit so they immediately lose interest in it!