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UK's Gigaclear Launches 5 Gbps Fiber Broadband Service (networkworld.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Broadband service provider Gigaclear announced it will offer 5 Gbps internet service beginning next year. Most homes would be hard-pressed to consume data at this rate today, but these speeds will become necessary when over-the-top television services like Netflix and HBO GO become commonplace, television pixel densities grow to 8K (7680p X 4320p) at 60 to 120 fps, and the IoT connects every other home device to the internet. “We’re offering customers the chance to access absolutely phenomenal broadband speeds,” Gigaclear CEO Matthew Hare said in an official announcement. “To be clear, this is a premium service that gives the fastest Internet speeds in the country to those of our customers who want the best connection that they can get.”

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  1. A joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this a joke listing consumer services that won't even fully utilise a 1Gbps service in the next 10 years let alone a 5Gbps service? or are they just trying to con stupid rich consumers out of money? Our 5,000 seat organisation has a 2Gbps pipe to the internet, on that we service 30 million external transactions a day as well as the unrestricted browsing habits of those 5 thousand staff.

    1. Re:A joke? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's actually 5Gb shared between a number of customers. If no-one else is using it then you get 5Gb/sec, otherwise it will be less. On a line that fast you can support many households and businesses simultaneously.

      I've had experience of similar offerings in Japan. You can either have a 1Gb/sec line shared between 3-4 households, or for a bit more you can have 1Gb/sec all to yourself. It works as advertised. Sure, you rarely use all that bandwidth, but you don't have to think about sending large files while someone else is trying to watch Netflix in 4k etc. It's like a proper hot water system - you turn on the tap without worrying if anyone else is taking a shower.

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    2. Re:A joke? by msauve · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know who they peer with, at what speeds, and how many of these connections they plan to sell. I'm thinking their oversubscription rate will require exponents to express.

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    3. Re:A joke? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Next step up form 1gbps ethernet is 10gbps; and that hardware is very expensive. I've only seen 10gbps in iSCSI configuration, and I"m sure they exist in router backbones and whatnot. Point is, NONE of the consumer class hardware contains 10gbps NICs. And then there's the whole consumer class routers and the hardware needed to sustain throughput with basic firewall support.

      Basically, give it another 10 years before the 10gig ethernet becomes mainstream. Until then, everyone will be capped at 1gig per device.

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    4. Re:A joke? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      But we're so close. Intel's x540 dual 10Gb chips on 45nm are about $500 and their new x710 dual 40Gb chips on 28nm are going for about $350 and consume 1/2 the power. 4x faster, 30% cheaper, 50% more efficient. Once Intel frees up some 22nm production for NICs, they'll be cheap, fast, and efficient. Soon(tm)

  2. Shame Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This puts Australia's (alleged) 2016 rollout of 100MB 'premium' service to shame....
    We're SO ready for japan's 2009 speeds at 8x the price.
    Forget about the future as we're sticking to our copper connections to the home.
    Makes me ashamed (amongst other things) to be an Australian

    1. Re:Shame Australia by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      So your jealous of a home connection speed that is pointless for any home in the next decade at a minimum (probably a lot longer). The vast majority of homes and users don't even come close to utilising a 100Mbps connection. I have a 50Mbps connection for my relatively heavy usage house, we only consume around 1TB of traffic a month so we don't come close to stressing our connection. In Aus the average is under 100GB a month (last I saw it was around 30-40GB).

    2. Re:Shame Australia by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      look if you put a transfer cap then average will be way under said cap. then you can lower the cap. then you can lower it again. and again. and again. and always claim the average is below the cap so you can lower it.

      by the way fallout 4 is near 30 gigs.

      just downloading one game will put you on average use - and here we get to why you would want a fast connection, if you want to play said game on the same day.

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    3. Re:Shame Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >> I have a 50Mbps connection

      What 50Mbps! In a good day I get 5Mbps in Canberra.

    4. Re:Shame Australia by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I get 50 Mbps in Canberra. basically the only way I even manage to push my usage to 1TB is by finding a heap of torrents the last day or two of the month. 50Mbps is easily enough to bring down 3-5 TB a month without even noticeably stressing your bandwidth.

    5. Re:Shame Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Public service announcement: Remember that Mbps means "megabit per second", not "megabyte per second" (and yes, that's "mega", 10^6, not "mebi", 2^20.)

    6. Re:Shame Australia by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      2009? My ex had 100/100 symetric fibre back in 2004. The Australian system doesn't even seem to be symmetric, so it's over a decade out of date already. If it's any consolation, this offering is not widely available in the UK and most of us are stuck on much less than 100Mb down and 10Mb up.

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    7. Re:Shame Australia by dave420 · · Score: 1

      We have the technology for 5Gbps connections, so why not let people use them if they want? They're not taking anything from you.

    8. Re:Shame Australia by Bengie · · Score: 1

      100Mb is not enough unless you like ping spikes while someone is watching YouTube or Netflix. They like to microburst 1gb/s+. Using some tools, I can see this jitter for tens of milliseconds. Sometimes even into the 100ms time range. Of course your ISP may suck so much that they can't pass these bursts on to you because they have bottlenecks in other areas.

      I'm seeing about 75GiB per day and during Blizzcon, about 100GiB both days. Netflix alone is about 3.5GiB/hour, and that's mostly for background noise during the day for my wife. By the time I get home, we're easily into the 20GiB range. Later in the day, we both have Netflix running, many times monitoring Twitch streams. Even more fun is when I'm hunting for a new show to watch. Jumping through a timeline can keep my 100Mb connection saturated for nearly 30 seconds as Netflix or YouTube buffer. Click around the timeline again, another 30sec of saturation. It adds up quickly. YouTube also has this nasty habit of buffering entire 5 minute clips of 1080p@60fps videos. By the time I'm 15 seconds into the video and decide I don't want to watch it, too late, already downloaded the entire thing.

    9. Re:Shame Australia by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't think the issue is that people have it if they want. I think the issue as that people are complaining that their country doesn't have it or that they don't have it in their locale and this is seen as a personal slight or conspiracy. I've for about 15 Mb/sec at home on my DSL. I'm actually content with that - it's more than I need. I have patience.

      That's a comparison, I guess. I also have enough bandwidth so that I am able to seed some 143 compressed/ISO distros. Of course, I can use a second line but I seldom feel compelled to do so. (What I will do, when getting home again, is probably move a whole server to a second connection and just use that for seeding and guest access. I'll have an additional user in the house.) But, I guess, I don't need it.

      That shouldn't mean that I begrudge others - I don't. Nor do I think that folks couldn't make legitimate use of that bandwidth (who am I to determine what they do?) But, I think they were because one of the above posters was citing it as an example to be ashamed of their whole country. I'd say that makes their point a bit more valid. There's no reason to claim it brings shame upon your house for a thousand generations because you can only download the game in ten minutes and can't download the game continuously for a whole month without exceeding your bandwidth caps.

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    10. Re:Shame Australia by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      What kind of dsl do you have? The highest upload speed I can get is 1mbps on att uverse dsl. Assuming each iso is 1GB in size on average it would take roughly 3 hours for each one.

      Although if I could saturate my upload 24/7 I could use 300GB a month but bittorrent does not seem to do a good job at maxing out the uplink unless there are a lot of peers and very few seeds.

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    11. Re:Shame Australia by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's rated for 12.5 Mb/sec and I get about 14.5 at or so with various speed tests and downloads. I do have multiple connections but I'm only counting the one. (I have a separate connection for the garage/workshop and one in the house that was on the property when I bought it.) I use, currently, Fairpoint but I can use an DSL provider that is willing to service my area. The torrents all are enabled to be active at all times and I still have plenty of bandwidth to watch my documentaries - I don't bother with the high def stuff, I don't need it for a documentary. I think YouTube is set to auto-quality at 480 if available.

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    12. Re:Shame Australia by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      You have synchronous dsl?
      $45/mo gets me 12 Mbps down 1 Mbps up

      It takes me a very long time to maintain a 1.0 ratio let alone a 2.0 considering it takes me 12 times longer to upload the same amount of data than it does for me to download it.

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  3. hard to use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "internet of things" is unmitigated bullshit pushed by electronics manufacturers desperate to find a market for useless products.

    4K television is already well into the zone of high priced screens chasing diminishing returns on human-visible image quality. It may eventually catch on, but it will be a very slow process, the cart pushed from behind by the horse of oversupply rather than pulled by damand.

    Individual conventional hard drives have a peak write speed barely over 1Gb/s. So anything over a gigabit is useful only in the following cases:
    -download files to a fast ssd or raid array (from one that can keep up, and to which access is not contested by other users)
    -consolidated trunk lines serving multiple users (e.g. shared cable modem for a multi-person household)
    -ram to ram transfers of bulk data which is then consumed and thrown away without touching a hard drive, (but not video to a screen, because it's not bandwidth intensive enough.)

    1. Re:hard to use by dave420 · · Score: 1

      In precisely the same way "cars" are unmitigated bullshit pushed by car manufacturers? Obviously not. The "Internet of things" is just a name for putting devices ('things') on the internet, and having them all talk to each other to perform tasks. You not liking how a term is used, or that businesses are selling products to people under such a term, does not automatically make the term bullshit. You're going to have to actually put up an argument if you want to look less APK-y.

    2. Re:hard to use by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Putting my fridge, lights, or thermostat on the internet isn't going to take any appreciable amount of bandwidth. About the only IoT device that could use a decent amount of internet would be security cameras, and if you have somewhere on the order of gpbs transfer rates, even that won't make a dent in your usage.

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  4. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The farcical part is actually the article. HBO GO Netflix are not going to need those sort of speed in the foreseeable future. beyond a few high density population countries anything above 100Mbps is extremely rare. most countries all around the world are still well and truly sub 50Mbps and will be for a long time to come.

  5. Re: Wow. by EnglishDude · · Score: 2

    Be glad. I've got 6Mbit here in the UK only a mile away from a major city. BT has said they have no plans to upgrade our exchange until well past 2020, probably not even until 2025. All neighbouring exchanges in all compass directions has already been upgraded to FTTC this year.

  6. Opposite to Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Down Under we are the only developed country to be installing copper to ensure that by 2025 everyone has a 20mbps connection because our pollys are so smart they know how much of a fad this internet thing is.

  7. Headline by ledow · · Score: 1

    Sounds more like:

    "Unheard of start-up announces that next year they may have a highly-contended 'up to' 5 Gbps fibre* broadband service available for the price of pretty serious leased line now which would probably give you better service overall anyway"

    The business one is £1500 a month. I can get quite a lot of leased line for that. And quite how many people could afford even the personal one, I'm not sure. I'm a geek and I couldn't.

    *They are British, spell it the British way.

    1. Re:Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The headline-grabbing press release misses out that this is only available to select rural villages, typically where the length of the local loop vastly exceeds the limits of ADSL and the cost of leased line installations is a joke.

      For perspective, with an install location in a town and across the road from a BT exchange, a 100Mbps leased line will set you back £1600/month with a £4000 install. 1Gbps costs £8600/month. 5Gbps for £1500 suddenly looks pretty good, especially if you resell it throughout your village

  8. Re:necessary ? think not. by ledow · · Score: 1

    One of them.

    In case you haven't noticed, an awful lot of households have not only broadband but multiple devices - PC in the lounge, several laptops across kids and parents, a handful of tablets, not to mention a smartphone each most likely. And not just in the richest households. The number of "Posted from device-name"'s I see on Facebook by people who claim to have no money is stupendous.

    Add in Netflix, CCTV, phone services, streaming TV, etc. and it quickly adds up.

    As time goes on, the bottleneck will be the wireless first - admittedly - but it won't be long before we'll have to get on-board with things like 5Gbps.

    One of those stream you describe will wipe out most UK household's standard broadband today. That means dad can't get online because of kids streaming their movies. Multiply by the number of people in the house and you can easily use up even the top "home" broadband available by someone wanting to watch the football while someone else is watching their favourite movie (we max out somewhere around 152Mbps before you get into specialist packages for the UK).

    How long would 1Gbps buy you? Not much. 5Gbps might buy you more.

    But until there's a product you can actually buy, this is just a pre-Slashvertisement from a never-heard-of company.

  9. Re:necessary ? think not. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Wireless is certainly a bottleneck for me, but i generate a lot of LAN traffic...
    That's why i wired my house with cat6a, so that everything which can practically be wired, is wired. Even my laptop when i'm sat at my desk is wired, although it will switch to wireless when i disconnect it and move it.

    The problem is that wireless spectrum is shared with close neighbors, and lots of people use wireless for everything because cabling the house is too inconvenient or expensive. I have a bunch of devices which support wireless (tv, audio receivers, set top boxes etc) but otherwise never move anywhere and some of them are quite bandwidth heavy (e.g. streaming video to the stb), having such devices on wireless reduces the available bandwidth not only for your own wireless devices but also your neighbors.

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  10. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Waaah waaah high population density". That is nonsense. There are plenty of sparsely-populated countries with fantastic internet access. The "population density" argument is abject nonsense.

  11. Finally by kirskau · · Score: 1

    As far as I have heard, most parts of the UK have the worst connections ever. Good to see some improvement there!

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  12. Yet in the USA.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Most people cant get more than 25mbps. Even if Comcast is selling you more, you CANT GET more than that in most places.

    Honestly, the govt needs to force those assholes to spend money on their backbone.

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    1. Re:Yet in the USA.... by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Pretty much everyone in the Comcast, Time Warner Cable, or Charter footprints (about 2/3 of the US, combined) can get at least 100Mbps, if they want it. Charter doesn't even sell anything below 60Mbps anymore, and Comcast and TWC's standard package is now 50Mbps.

      The competitive issue is the much lower speeds that most telcos offer.

      Also, the backbone isn't the issue, it's the last mile.

    2. Re:Yet in the USA.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Because they sell it does not mean you get it. I strongly suggest you learn about the subject first.

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  13. 8K isn't going to need these kinds of speeds by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

    Even if there's zero improvement in compression by the time 8K rolls around, it'll take around 30Mbps. So, unless you have 170 TVs in your home, 5Gbps is going to be overkill.

  14. Channel Bonding by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Until then, everyone will be capped at 1gig per device.

    That's not actually correct. Thanks to channel bonding I have a Synology Disk array which has 4 Gbps connection all using inexpensive consumer grade hardware. Channel bonding 1Gb is far cheaper than 10Gb ethernet although with the new 10Gbase-T format this too is now becoming more affordable.

    1. Re:Channel Bonding by Bengie · · Score: 1

      10 1Gb ports is more expensive than 1 10Gb port, but 5Gb ports are slightly cheaper than 1 10Gb port. The bigger issue is getting channel bonding that works at Layer 3/4 and not 2. Many implementation of bonding load balance on destination MAC addresses, and your gateway only has on address, so all WAN traffic uses the same link and does not get distributed.

    2. Re:Channel Bonding by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      After dealing with channel bonding where one link would spontaneously become 100% busy while the other three hung around 10% busy every time one VM wanted to copy files somewhere, I decided channel bonding is basically useless.

    3. Re:Channel Bonding by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      NIC Teaming and NIC bonding are two different things. What you're talking about is NIC Teaming. What's needed is Bonding. But that has to be supported all the way from the NIC, to the modem, and everything else in between (switch, router, etc)

      What is the difference between NIC Teaming and Bonding

      >NIC Teaming uses one of two methods, failover, and load-balancing with fail over. With a team you do not get a single 2gb connection (with two 1 gb NICs). You get two pipes that act as one, but merely are load balancing the traffic over each NIC, and each NIC acts as a fail over to the other. If you transfer a 100 gb file, you are not going to get 2gb of throughputyou still only get 1 gb, but you will not kill the network performance because the second NIC is still available to service other traffic.

      True bonding would be taking two NICs and bonding them together to get a single fat pipe. This requires the switch to support this as well. I have not seen much bonding in the server worldmore done at the network level.

      VMWare acts the same way. It is purely load balancing and fail over. Since VMWare is done at the OS level, you can mix and match different vendor NICs in a team. I have done this without issue. Just make sure they are on the HCL.

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  15. "Gigabit service" is FRAUD. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "5 Gbps" is only the electrical connection speed. The actual speed of delivery is dependent on many factors. Nothing over the internet is delivered at that speed.

    1. Re:"Gigabit service" is FRAUD. by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      "Nothing" is a very big word that should be used with care and only by people who know what they're talking about.

  16. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by KGIII · · Score: 1

    And most of those (all?) countries are smaller than my home state or not much larger than it. Australia's huge. They're not running out top-spec fiber to the home in the near future. (They are doing a partial roll-out, IIRC. It just isn't top-end. IIRC the news articles they're aiming for 50 Mb/sec.)

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  17. Lot's of borads don't really have the PCIe to make by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Lot's of borads don't really have the PCIe to make full use of 10GB-e other then server ones.

    X16 to video and then X4 dmi shaded with storage and other I/O.

  18. Live 8K tv will need a lot of bandwith by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Live 8K tv will need a lot of bandwith

  19. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    In fact, this offering is only available to sparsely populated rural areas that are not served by BT (which has a near monopoly on phone lines) and Virgin (which has a near monopoly on cable). They ask for people to sign a contract agreeing to take service in advance, and when enough people do they lay in a cable.

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  20. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Who's going to pay for that extra 50M AUS? If it's that close then you can probably pay to splice into it for your residence or business. What is with you people, anyhow?

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  21. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by Bengie · · Score: 1

    1Gb fiber is much cheaper than DSL or Cable. And 10Gb fiber is still cheaper than DSL or cable. Going from 1Gb to 10Gb fiber is about 1 year of the extra cost of maintaining a copper network.

  22. Re:Meanwhile in sunny Oz by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    Clearly, you cannot offer a service anywhere in Australia unless you are prepared to offer service to every square meter of the Outback.