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Coinbase Issues Bitcoin-Based Debit Card (coinbase.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Coinbase, one of the largest bitcoin exchanges, introduced a "Shift Card" today, which is a Visa debit card that allows users to spend bitcoin wherever Visa is accepted within 24 U.S. states (other states are blocked by regulations for now). The card acts as a currency exchanger, debiting your Coinbase-controlled bitcoin wallet for an appropriate amount of bitcoins, based on market rates, while sending U.S. dollars to the merchant at the other end of the transaction. It represents a very simple way for bitcoin holders to spend it on real-world goods. That said, it'll be interesting to see how much adoption there is. If you prefer to keep full control of your bitcoin wallet, or prefer to keep your name from being attached to it, then the card probably won't work for you. It seems likely that most people who actually own bitcoins would fall into one or both of those categories.
So finally when they "system crashes" on this wallet service, it will be way more convenient for the owners to siphon off and spend all the "lost" currency.
Step 1: Integrate with existing payment technology
Step 2: Replace existing payment technology.
Bitcoin is perhaps the wrong horse to be riding, but as a proof of concept this is sill interesting.
Nothing evolves faster than the word of god in the minds of men who think themselves divinely inspired.
Let me guess, the remaining 26 states are all Republican-controlled red states in the south.
Can it seamlessly integrate into my Mt. Gox account?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Actually I think these news prove that debit cards are getting better, rather than saying anything about Bitcoin.
I have a similar debit card (not Coinbase) which lets me spend out of my Bitcoin wallet, converting on-the-fly to target currency. The Bitcoin side of this is quite straightforward, but I am rather impressed that VISA allows this sort of automation.
Bitcoin is dead. The EU will ban it and have anyone involved with its developement arrested and deported. :(
So finally when they "system crashes" on this wallet service, it will be way more convenient for the owners to siphon off and spend all the "lost" currency.
And appropriately (re)named Shaft Card.
Why does VISA care? All of the bitcoin stuff is handled on Coinbase's side, only USD touches the credit/debit side of things.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Because Republican.
Same reason PayPal blocks who you can send money to.
We bitcoin holders are oppressed, tin foil hat wearing criminals.
Can't secure the current payment infrastructure....and now add an untrackable digital currency? Yeesh.....
I have a similar debit card (not Coinbase) which lets me spend out of my Bitcoin wallet, converting on-the-fly to target currency
I use Coinbase and will probably be getting the new Shift Card, but I didn't know there were other options available. Can you provide more information?
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
Can the card be personalized with your favorite Magic The Gathering artwork? :-)
Step 2: Replace existing payment technology.
There is no step 2. Bitcoin is a hidden detail, a merchant neither knows nor cares whether a customer's credit card bill will be paid in terms of Euros, Dollars, or Bitcoins. The merchant prices and collects in their local currency and VISA handles everything for them. Bitcoin remains irrelevant to the merchant.
If anything this deal makes bitcoin subservient and less likely to display current payment technologies. Increased interest in bitcoins by individuals will *not* require merchants to accept bitcoins. VISA's payment technology is becoming more important, not less important.
Bitcoin is only a competitor to other peer-to-peer technologies. Paypal for example. Note that VISA has and continues to experiment in peer-to-peer, Apple looks like they will adapt Apple Pay for peer-to-peer. If anything bitcoin's move to the "mainstream" is being cut off.
It seems likely that most people who actually own bitcoins would fall into one or both of those categories.
I don't need to keep absolute control of all my bitcoins all the time (I'll transfer some spending coin to Coinbase periodically), and I'm perfectly fine with my identity being know. I know plenty of people with similar needs.
I'll probably go get myself one of these cards soon.
That's what this sounds like. Great way for certain Sunni extremists to shift money around.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
... aaaaaand it's gone!
That's what this sounds like. Great way for certain Sunni extremists to shift money around.
Actually given that bitcoin is based on a public ledger that documents each and every transfer of coins, the blockchain, tracing the transfers between accounts and creating a network of relationships is quite trivial. If a transaction touches the real world, a live visit to a merchant, a delivery to an address, a payment for a service, etc there is no anonymity. Any single member of a network who touches the real world can expose the network.
Bitcoin is an incredible investigatory tool for law enforcement.
Today's payment market has three primary entities. Bank, processor, and issuer. Visa and MasterCard are only issuers and rely upon their network to coerce banks and processors to play along. AMEX is 'mostly' vertically integrated combining all three and therefore has had a higher relative value for marketing purposes (because they see and handle every part of every transaction)
Companies like Square have come in and are disrupting POS with their own network that aggregates and does bulk transactions with the issuer, but to this day nearly all consumer POS transactions are still controlled by a (very small) hand full of issuers and their networks. They have no net interest in migrating to any other form of payment or transaction, "Progress" is not in their best interest.
If this outfit can wedge themselves in and start building out a block-chain based network and eventually gain a foothold in the point-of-sale space (the last 1/4 mile in the consumer communications business), they have a chance to force a paradigm shift. A chance.
But like I said, in the long term, Bitcoin is dead at the starting gate for all but the early speculators. The ideal case, would only use the blockchain with a virtual issuer to ensure secure, very low cost transactions that are denominated in a real currency.
Nothing evolves faster than the word of god in the minds of men who think themselves divinely inspired.
Was expecting "Why not? Everything/everyone else does!".
Still, you got the gist of it. 6/10.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Outside U.S., there are plenty of options available. bit-x does optional on-the-fly Bitcoin to fiat conversion and has a neat system, but others may have better fees and whatnot.
Within (almost half of) U.S. I suspect Coinbase might actually be the first, but I didn't look too deep.
Cool - I'm in the U.S. so that probably wasn't an option for me. I have heard people talking about Bitcoin backed debit cards for a couple years now, but never knew if anything came to market.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model.
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party.
This little "bitcoin" debit card with a fooking Visa logo on it just goes to show that bitcoin has become the dragon it was meant to slay.
Bitcoin is simply another currency in a world where currencies in themselves are becoming abstracted away.
Some colleagues have been using the BitGold debit card to spend their bitcoins (though they first need to transfer their bitcoins to gold and then gold to fiat currency so there are 2 transaction fees)
BitGold debit cards appear to be usable in all 50 states.
"Actually given that bitcoin is based on a public ledger that documents each and every transfer of coins, the blockchain, tracing the transfers between accounts and creating a network of relationships is quite trivial. If a transaction touches the real world, a live visit to a merchant, a delivery to an address, a payment for a service, etc there is no anonymity. Any single member of a network who touches the real world can expose the network."
So why is it that when ransomware attackers are paid in bitcoin, the transactions are not traceable?
"Actually given that bitcoin is based on a public ledger that documents each and every transfer of coins, the blockchain, tracing the transfers between accounts and creating a network of relationships is quite trivial. If a transaction touches the real world, a live visit to a merchant, a delivery to an address, a payment for a service, etc there is no anonymity. Any single member of a network who touches the real world can expose the network."
So why is it that when ransomware attackers are paid in bitcoin, the transactions are not traceable?
Convenience. Easiest way to convert between real currencies and transfer money around the world. Rock solid verification of the transfer in a very short amount of time. And the likelihood that law enforcement in their jurisdiction will not care about a petty financial crime in the jurisdiction of the victim.
Because ransomware attacks are for money, and target business and in some cases government itself, and involve large numbers of people at once, surely it's NOT being treated as a local problem: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stori...
And the NSA would love to be able to mail a ransomware operation to burnish its battered image. If it could do so, it would.
What happens if I try to use one of these in a state that doesn't allow it? If the system treats it as just another Visa card, how would it know that the card isn't valid?
Because ransomware attacks are for money, and target business and in some cases government itself, and involve large numbers of people at once, surely it's NOT being treated as a local problem: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stori...
By different jurisdictions I am referring to different nations, places where the FBI would receive little to no cooperation.
And the NSA would love to be able to mail a ransomware operation to burnish its battered image. If it could do so, it would.
No. Why in the world would they potentially compromise their sources and methods on something as petty as ransomeware? The NSA is not law enforcement, they are in the intelligence gathering business. Discovering a petty criminal is something to note in their database, not do anything about.