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Nearly 35,000 Comment On New Federal STEM OPT Extension Rule (computerworld.com)

Posted by Soulskill on from the 20,000-of-which-are-"first-post" dept.

theodp writes: Computerworld reports that the comments are in on the Department of Homeland Security's new proposed rule to extend OPT for international STEM students from 29 months to at least 36 months. The majority of the comments received by DHS support extending the program, CW notes, which is probably not surprising. Rather than choosing to "avoid the appearance of improper influence" by declining to respond to a "We the People" petition protesting a pending U.S. Federal judge's ruling that threatens to eliminate OPT STEM extensions altogether in February, the White House informed the 100k petition signers that they had the President's support, and pointed to the comment site for the proposed DHS OPT STEM rule workaround. Like the "We the People" petitioners, it's unclear whether the DHS commenters might represent corporate, university, and/or student interests, although a word cloud of the top 100 names of commenters (which accounted for 17,000+ comments) hints that international students are well-represented. By the way, in rejecting the 'emergency changes' that were enacted by DHS in 2008 to extend OPT for STEM students without public comment, Judge Ellen Huvelle said, "the 17-month duration of the STEM extension appears to have been adopted directly from the unanimous suggestions by Microsoft and similar industry groups."

55 comments

  1. But will they extend DHS OPT STEM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFS didn't say.

    Well actually it did, but way too many times. And I still don't know, or care, what that string of acronyms means.

  2. Also change the requirement to a Ph.D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably extend this only for Ph.D candidates. Come on America, stop pandering to corporates and regain your glory.

    1. Re:Also change the requirement to a Ph.D by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      It's done for the hiring of potential PhD Professors, too.

      Universities, unable to make discerning decisions on who is the best candidate for a tenure-track position (hint: laziness), just go for the cheapest of the lot of those that seem "kind of good enough."

      As support, I offer that Community Colleges (good things) pay about 2x–3x the rate for Lecturing as local Universities do. They pay you as a contractor, as do Unis, but with the understanding that this means that you have to procure your own health care, and so on. The Community Colleges also provide, typically here, 1.5 hours of prep/grading time per "hour of contact" time. That's a 2.5x pay multiplier!

      Back at the major University, you get no allowance for prep time, and only a "straight %-of-time salary" for the course. If you are a Lecturer, and you are trying to improve the reputation of your University, then please, please, please, take a close look at the numbers! Your employer not care. They only want the class taught for cheap!

      In fact, you will probably find, as I did, that your TA gets a larger monthly stipend than your salary, on top of his/her tuition. Well, so after you come to that realization, if you have the sense avoid picking up more Lecturing gigs at the Uni, you will also learn that your State's Unemployment Insurance pays better than your teaching gig did!

      That's right folks, the State, in its Wisdom, will pay you (we) 'over-educated PhDs' more money to lie on the couch at home than to actually do what would benefit the State – educating our youth (which is probably what you had wished to do to earn a living, way back when you chose the PhD path)!

    2. Re:Also change the requirement to a Ph.D by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      BTW, I have refused, starting two years ago, to teach undergraduate or even graduate-level classes at my top-10 University as a Lecturer.

      The kids deserve to get what they pay for, of course. But I will die of starvation before making the Regents rich just because I have societal principles. I have other principles, too. Y'know, like not being a wage-slave, despite being qualified above my peers (of ~same age) who are tenured, and just dump teaching duties onto their TAs.

      America is getting what America is asking for. And anyway; I find Community College students far more receptive to, and eager-to-learn, when they get a skilled educator than the "top-uni" kids — those twits only care whether they're getting an A vs. an A–, and little about the content.

  3. TL:DR - backdoor H1B equivalents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically this is yet another way to get around H1B limitations.

    1. Re:TL:DR - backdoor H1B equivalents... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You gotta drive down salaries and benefits somehow.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  4. And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On behalf of the world, I apologize to the USA for not being American.

    1. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Good, that is a start

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    2. Re: And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is inherently the problem. As a result, your expectations of overall compensation are far lower on average than the typical US citizen. This undercuts your competition and drives down quality of life of the jobs you're competing for, for everyone, including yourself. Most likely, you and your US counterparts invested time/money/effort to obtain your skillset, at least partially, because it paid well.

      As a side effect, large companies are now driving down one of the few strongholds workers could leverage to demand higher compensation: technical skillsets. This is done by using social/cultural and position leverages against foreign workers that can't be used on citizens (e.g., fear of being deported).

      The more of this trend I see, the more I want to join the brain drain of focusing on social manipulation for shady product/service delivery and join the rest of the sociopaths playing the game. My love for science and technology be damned, I don't want to be a martyr.

    3. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by selectspec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No problem. A STEM OPT rule is a payback from Congress to the rich and powerful higher education lobby here in the United States that allows colleges and universities to subsidize their bloated budgets by enrolling lots of smart and motivated foreigners as full tuition paying students, letting said students work in the US without a HB1 Visa while in school. However, in order to not violate the equally rich and powerful protectionist lobbies, the STEM OPT rules have a limited duration.

      So, we educate and train these individuals and then kick the ones who cannot afford a good immigration lawyer (another equally rich and powerful lobby) out of the country, subsidizing the IT industries in their homelands and perpetuating the drive to outsource high tech labor outside of the US.

      It's a brilliant strategy that relies on central planning over free markets to control the distribution of human resources.

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      Someone you trust is one of us.

    4. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an american, I was wondering what the hell it meant as well. I know what STEM means, I tried to google OPT, and failed. Miserably. As far as I could find, it's either a directory in Linux, or opt-out. The closest I could find was optional practical training, but that didn't really seem to fit either.

      To dumb asses who write summaries and to dumb ass editors. When a quick google search can't even tell what the acronyms mean, you REALLY should to what basic level of competent writers do, and define them on first usage or provide a glossary.

    5. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      While I agree that acronyms, regardless of how popular and well known they should be, should be spelled out in summary’s, any moronically incompetent moron should know that OPT, by and of itself, can have a multitude of meanings, STEM OPT, however, has but one.

      Learn to Google, or get the fuck off the internet.

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      --- Keep the choice with the user..
    6. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      How helpful. You flamed him without bothering to actually ANSWER HIS QUESTION - while claiming the answer was obvious and easy to find.

      If you actually HAVE the answer, adding it to the "helpful" "how to make this clock" flame would have been a friendly gesture.

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    7. Re:And WTF is a STEM OPT rule? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      It was very easy to find. Since you and he both seem to be too lazy to interenet properly, let me help.

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      --- Keep the choice with the user..
  5. Another solution by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 0

    Give STEM students first crack at an H1B visa before any others are approved. Once they get the visa, allow them to freely switch companies of the duration of the visa.

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    I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    1. Re:Another solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because STEM students clearly have those rare skills that can only be found in the US? How about we just fix the H1B enforcement

  6. Rules are for cows Cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are all cows. Cows say mooo. Moooo! Moooo! Moooo cows Moooo. Moooo say the cows. YOU LAWYER COWS!!!

  7. Re:I sent my comment by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fine if that is the case convince your law makers or get ones elected who agree with you. Once again this is typical of leftist types, don't like the rule of law just ignore it. That is not how this country works. The law was written, there was a dispute over its interpretation it went to court and the Administration LOST.

    Its amazing how when right right leaning politician wants to do something like keep poorly vetted refuges out of their state, or not let someone who could be a carrier of known to be highly communicable and deadly disease just go wherever they like, suddenly the like, or some kid who happens to be tan in color ignore his teachers and wounder around a school with something that looks dangers, you people are quick to use the law to railroad everyone who resists into compliance.

    When a judge rules against you though you just ignore it and carry on business as usually. When you have a law on the books that you barely got passed via parliamentary games, that has SPECIFIC dates when things are supposed to go into effect, oops time for extensions and rewriting it on the fly legality be damned.

    You don't get to have it both ways. We either have laws and follow our process or we have mob rule. We seem to be erring toward mob rule.

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    Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
  8. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More foreign STEM students = less US STEM students, and more foreign STEM workers = less US STEM workers. Most STEM graduates do not end up working in the STEM field and STEM wages have been flat, so there is no shortage in the STEM workforce.

  9. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America, the land with opportunities; if you are a foreigner working cheap.
    If you American, eh, not so much. Corporations do not need uppity citizens.

  10. Translation please? by ebcdic · · Score: 1

    "Federal STEM OPT Extension Rule" - what does that mean?

    1. Re:Translation please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an extension of the brain stem that can increase your IQ by 20 points.

      They're highly sought after in America for obvious reasons, but availability is very limited. This is about increasing the availability of this life-changing surgery.

    2. Re:Translation please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tells you a lot that many people don't even know what this is.

    3. Re:Translation please? by Out0fAmmo · · Score: 2

      As I understand it, it's a federal program for student visas for STEM students. It basically allows foreign students more to get a H-1B visa to work in the US as a tech worker. It's another method of inflating the labor pool in order to keep wages low, in other words.

    4. Re:Translation please? by Out0fAmmo · · Score: 1

      *Meant to write "allows more time for foreign students to get a H-1B visa..."

  11. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Completely true. 3/4 of American STEM workers flee the field due to substandard working conditions and pay, a direct result of artificially flooding the market with imports. There is no shortage.

    Posting this "comment period story" in the USA only after it closed is just more manipulation.

  12. Re:I sent my comment by ranton · · Score: 2

    When a judge rules against you though you just ignore it and carry on business as usually.

    What are you talking about? From what I read in the links, the judge ruled that the government did not properly provide a public notice and comment period before enacting the extension. The judge gave the government six months to apply the extension again, but with a public notice and comment period. The government has now done that, the comments were overwhelmingly in favor of the extension, and now the extension will be applied again.

    No one is bypassing any rules. A mistake in process was made, and it has now been fixed. This is our judicial system and lawmaking system working well together to enact important changes.

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    -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
  13. Re:I sent my comment by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

    No Potsy we don't need more STEM students. We have plenty of STEM graduates; 1 out of 3 graduates finds a job. There's not shortage. This only seeks to undermine US workforce.

  14. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >We need more STEM students, and the foreign ones are high quality

    This is a joke right? Yes, foreign STEM students can get easy As on freshmen calculus exams, but as far as actually doing anything difficult or innovate, give me a homegrown geek any day. Slavish memorization culture in the East has never lead to innovation and it's not going to start now. Then again maybe it's the "slavish" part that employers find so appealing about Asians...

  15. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Uh, whut? 1 out of 3 STEM grads finds a job? That isn't true. Many STEM graduates just don't go into STEM jobs. That is OK. It isn't because there isn't enough jobs for them: it just means that they have better opportunities outside of STEM. People hold STEM degree holders in high regard, and thus they have many non-STEM opportunities. Even outside of STEM, most graduates aren't holding jobs in their degree field. This is normal.

  16. Re:I sent my comment by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This program has worked spectacularly for decades.

    for the 1%.
         

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    Table-ized A.I.
  17. Re:I sent my comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has to be a troll

  18. Ignoring laws by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Once again this is typical of leftist types, don't like the rule of law just ignore it.

    You mean like Bush did with torturing people?

    Its amazing how when right right leaning politician wants to do something like keep poorly vetted refuges out of their state

    You mean when a right leaning politician wants to pander to his racist and xenophobic base to get re-elected?

    or some kid who happens to be tan in color ignore his teachers and wounder around a school with something that looks dangers

    "Happens to be tan in color"? Is that how we're being racist now? Pretending that the color of his skin didn't play any role in calling the cops? Next you'll be telling me that cops don't arrest black people disproportionately or that brown people don't get their luggage searched more often than white people.

    1. Re:Ignoring laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you 'went postal" on your post, didn't you? Bringing in stereotypes of conservatives as racist torturers right of the bat. Bravo!

  19. OPT Defined by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Optional Training Program (OPT)

    1. Re:OPT Defined by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Optional Program Training? Or is the acronym really supposed to be OTP?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  20. Funny, huh by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Funny how there is such fanatic concern about vetting refugees (even 24 months is too short for some), but when it comes to indentured servants yielding greater corporate profits, FAST TRACK AND EXTEND.

  21. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How? My prog puts entries in as non-blocking to hostnames on ones users give it as favs to speed up @ TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    + my sources do removal lists vs. false positives & helped me create a "FP" filter in my program (5,500++ of them)!

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    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods: "Eat your words" (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt - Did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22... apk

  22. Re:I sent my comment by gtall · · Score: 1

    Where did you get the idea that the Syrian refugees to the U.S. were poorly vetted? It takes the Feds about 2 years to vet one and that's using FBI and military databases as well as European databases. They are properly vetted, stop repeating Republican talking points from T.V., it is bad for you.

  23. You needed that job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you were the best qualified.
    But they had to give it to a minority,
    because of STEM OPT.
    Is that really fair?
    Barack Obama says it is.

  24. Simple Fix for H1B Visa Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Companies say they need H1B visas because of a lack of qualified candidates in the US. That is in line with the reason for the H-1B visa program--to fill jobs for which there are no qualified candidates.

    However many people, myself included,believe the system is being abused as a way to import lower wage workers. There is a safety valve in the system designed to prevent this abuse: H-1B visa recipients are supposed to be paid 'the prevailing wage or higher'. The problem with this is that increasing the supply of qualified workers will lead to the prevailing wage falling.

    The simple fix is to simply add a higher wage-gate. Supposedly H1B visa holders are so in demand because of lack of supply in the 'specialty occupations' that they are qualified in. Simply require that H-1B visa holders must be paid at least the 90th percentile (or 95th if you like) wage for their field. This will mean that companies who 'can't find qualified applicants' must have first tried to hire applicants by offering the top salaries in their field before they are eligible to import new workers.

    1. Re:Simple Fix for H1B Visa Problem by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Simply require that H-1B visa holders must be paid at least the 90th percentile (or 95th if you like) wage for their field.

      Plus any amount that the employer would have to pay into a government entitlement program for a US employee that he doesn't need to pay into said program for a foreigner on H1B (or other work visa systems).

      It's even fair. If the program is, say, a retirement program that the visiting worker can't benefit from, shouldn't he have the money to buy a replacement for it elsewhere?

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      Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  25. What world do you live in? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    In mine the protectionist lobby is completely impotent. It died with Unions when manufacturing went overseas to escape environmental, safety and minimum wage laws...

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  26. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally said it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there in my security guide.

    Fact: You shoot your mouth off lying about it & me, hmmm?

    (It's your mentally damaged goods assburgers brain acting up trying to put words in my mouth I never said? Yes...)

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    Where did I say I don't use DNS too?

    Clue: I do & detailed it for you AGAIN (via my std. post on DNS vs. hosts) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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    "You must really suck at programming" - by Coren22 on Monday November 23, 2015

    What've you programmed? Other /.'ers disagree:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in 2/6... apk

  27. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

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    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

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    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

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    "90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/6... apk

  28. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 reputable sources + /. users say different:

    Safe by 57 antivirus programs in 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan (installer too)-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

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    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    (& he certified my source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - he wouldn't host it, much less recommend it, minus that...) /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #4/6... apk

  29. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "His newest post is trying to refute that MiTM attack opportunity his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    I DISPROVED it: Hardcoded favs users provide themselves are REVERSE DNS verified & my program filters 5,500++ false positives:

    1.) Search engines
    2.) Antivirus (e.g. updaters)
    3.) Security community sites
    4.) Captchas, brower home pages + download pages
    5.) Ebay/Amazon (shopper & banking)

    (Security community I get hosts data from do false positives filters in current data + removal lists).

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    "won't demonstrate security of his product be exposing the source (someone might steal it!)" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    "the secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code and said it looked all good to them" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    My ware went thru code verification by Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    A competent coder & BEST security researcher I know of FROM THE BEST ANTIMALWARE THERE IS http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    NOT a secretary!

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    YOU BLEW IT ON ADMIN PRIV TOO: My program doesn't require it hosts does (WFP/SFP): my program protects hosts beyond it!

    I.E.-> I run manually minus admin priv & drag result to hosts naming it "hosts" overwriting original.

    Only auto update needs it (WFP/SFP) & users set it themselves in program shortcut: Not programmatic impersonation.

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    DNS introduces a SECURITY ISSUE RIDDLED SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE & doesn't secure down to endpoints on a LAN -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    How I use remote filtering DNS combined w/ hosts is there showing many DNS security issues hosts overcome.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #5/6... apk

  30. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

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    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    No hosts do (WFP/SFP) - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

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    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

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    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it via process monitor + wireshark (don't need code)!

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    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I put hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - spotted easily & bulk of hosts = sorted blocked known bad threats provided by the security community (filtered vs. 5,500++ false positive possibles in my program & by current security community data).

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    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Hasn't happened!

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    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    It works there!

    Telemetry's killed 10 by itself: VISTA = Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #6/6... apk

  31. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How? My prog puts entries in as non-blocking to hostnames on ones users give it as favs to speed up @ TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    + my sources do removal lists vs. false positives & helped me create a "FP" filter in my program (5,500++ of them)!

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    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods: "Eat your words" (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt - Did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22... apk