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Axel Springer Goes After iOS 9 Ad Blockers In New Legal Battlle (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Germany's Axel Springer, owner of newspapers like Bild and Die Welt, is pursuing legal action against the developers of Blockr, an ad blocker for iOS 9. Techcrunch reports: "In October, Axel Springer forced visitors to Bild to turn off their ad blockers or pay a monthly fee to continue using the site. Earlier this month, the publisher reported the success of this measure, saying that the proportion of readers using ad blockers dropped from 23% to the single digits when faced with the choice to turn off the software or pay. 'The results are beyond our expectations,' said Springer chief exec Mathias Döpfner at the time. 'Over two-thirds of the users concerned switched off their adblocker.' He also noted that the Bild.de website received an additional 3 million visits from users who could now see the ads in the first two weeks of the experiment going live."

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  1. Don't evolve your business model by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Litigate instead!

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    1. Re:Don't evolve your business model by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It will be interesting to see what a user is allowed to run on their own computer in their home when connecting to a site on the internet :)

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    2. Re:Don't evolve your business model by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And users that are tired of browser hijacks and computer security intrusions will continue to block "ads" forever.

      Fool me once, shame on you.

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    3. Re:Don't evolve your business model by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, the lame excuse about intrusive ads does not apply here, according to TFS. Either pay a subscription fee and eliminate ads or view ads. I guess most freeloaders don't want to pay for the subscription or view ads.

      Sure it does. A lot of people wouldn't mind the ads if they're not going to hijack their machine and would turn off adblocking software. But the content that said sites offer, do not promote a persons desire to pay for it. Especially since large numbers of news services simply use wire content to fill out their pages. That site in question doesn't offer any unique content that people can't find elsewhere.

      The business model is broken, because companies don't want to take responsibility for the ads. And users are refusing ads, because they're the most common source of machine hijacking.

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    4. Re: Don't evolve your business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Precious little, in a while. There's more and more support to the idea that any device to be connected to the internet will have to be"audited" for "potentially harmful" software and "certified" by "authorities". I know it sounds unacceptable right now but give it time and everybody will simply shrug and say "it's for our own safety and besides, what can we do?"

    5. Re:Don't evolve your business model by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      I have no problems with subscription fees. I just don't subscribe to them. So?

    6. Re:Don't evolve your business model by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I imagine that the argument will be copyright infringement by the app developer. Taking the Bild web site, making some changes to it and then presenting it to the user in exchange for the $0.99 price of the app. Essentially they see it as taking a copy of their free newspaper, cutting the ads out with scissors and selling it on for a profit.

      Of course, it's a stupid argument. The web doesn't work that way. They could replace their web site with a PDF and maybe have the beginnings of a point, but HTML is not designed to provide a fixed rending on screen or printout. It's a mark-up language, and the browser interprets it depending on the user's preferences. For example, when printing it might remove background images to save ink. It might invest colours or increase contrast and font size for the visually impaired.

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    7. Re:Don't evolve your business model by ThosLives · · Score: 2

      No, that's not really the question; it's just posed that way to incite an emotional response.

      I do agree that companies are under no obligation to provide websites for free. However, if a company does provide a website, I don't feel there is any reasonable assumption that someone visiting a site will request any particular resource or follow any particular link on that website. So crying foul if someone visits a site but doesn't request some ad resource is a little disingenuous.

      If a site really wants either a subscription or ad-supported model that is fine, but don't scream if you are willing to respond to an HTTP request and people make that HTTP request.

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  2. Target audience by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Congrats. You now have a group of people seeing your ads that wanted to not see them so bad they bought an app. I'm sure this business model will work out for you in the long run.

    1. Re:Target audience by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It didn't work out for the Globe and Mail or the Toronto Star here in Canada, so you'd be right it didn't work. Then again, news papers are bleeding print subs and online viewership everywhere. Mainly because the media is either shilling for their buddies w/o disclosing it, or people can find exactly the same news on 3 or 4 other sites, that don't have a paywall of some kind.

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  3. Speaking of crappy ads (paid posts) by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Speaking of ads, SlashDot, what's with these brain-dead, demographic-curdling "paid posts" you're running? The one I see on your home page now, and I swear I am not shitting thee, reads:

    >> Poor, misunderstood cloud computing. As it turns out, most Americans have no idea what it actually is. (Hint: it has nothing to do with the sky.)

    1. Re:Speaking of crappy ads (paid posts) by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Funny

      ha ha! I see your game... a clever new way to get people with adblockers to look at adds!

      Well! You'll not fool me! I'm not a cat!

      I'll be releasing "xxxJohnBoyxxx (565205) blocker next week!

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  4. two thirds of users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    LEFT the site, he means... the extra traffic was from the publicity in the media, on slashdot, reddit, digg, etc ('wtf is this site? never heard of it before', 'does it really block adblock?' -- no it first discriminates against those with scripting disabled.. scripts are what they use to target adblockers, browse with css and scripting off it sorta works).. and that extra traffic has long since faded... so lets stir up another rats nest and controversy and target mobile users because any publicity is better than no publicity.

    even with scripting off and adblock on the fucking bild.de site still dropped 2 megs of crud (57 files, 1855 kb gzipped, 2626 kb uncompressed.. according to webdev toolbar), all to display the 'noscript' dialog and hide everything else.... 300 bytes of a plain html doc would have done the same thing.

    for me... if he wants to pay the percentage of shit vs content (aside from actual images in content, its probably over 95% shit and 5% content) on his sites of OUR internet bills (about $204 usd monthly)... sure, i'll send him a bill every month, expect immediate payment, and then turn off adblockers to visit his sites. until then... they simply do not exist. bild.what?

  5. Lying with statistics by complete+loony · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the proportion of readers using ad blockers dropped from 23% to the single digits when faced with the choice to turn off the software or pay ... Over two-thirds of the users concerned switched off their adblocker.

    Did they? Or did they simply not come back?

    Of course with the developer tools built into browsers these days, it only takes a few clicks to delete the nag layer and get to the underlying content. I wonder how they count me in their statistics?

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  6. Re:Is there a list of sites they own so I can put by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    Just use APK's Hosts File Engine, I'm sure he's already got their domains in the list.

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  7. Not so simple by l2718 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course with the developer tools built into browsers these days, it only takes a few clicks to delete the nag layer and get to the underlying content. I wonder how they count me in their statistics?

    It used to be easy to read the content off the html – no developer tools needed! Today, many websites are constructed to not serve the underlying content until the you've been served the ad.

    By the way, I don't think there's anything wrong with what Springer is doing. Readers can pay cash, or pay by viewing ads. They can also choose not to read.

  8. Not showing ads by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Various adblockers already have the option to load but not display ads. It's a waste of bandwidth, but likely defaults this measure and at least reduces the annoyances/infections.

  9. required reading by Tom · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you need to know about BILD:

    It's the most popular (by far) newspaper "for the lower classes" in Germany. It is massively influential on public opinion, and thus required reading for politicians and such. Several german chancellors are known to have checked the BILD headlines first thing in the morning to know what the people will wake up to.

    It is also rumours to be funded by the CIA, at least during its early, post-war years, and to this day is fanatically pro-american, conservative and anti-communist.

    With that in mind, you understand who the readership is and why they are more likely than, say, the /. crowd, to turn off their adblockers.

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  10. Ads are malware vectors, period by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowadays blocking advertising is required to prevent malware infections.

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  11. Pay and you still see ads by Laxator2 · · Score: 2

    The problem is that the well is irreversibly poisoned.
    You can pay for access to the site, and you still get bombarded with ads. From the point of view of the those running the site, they already got your money. Then if they get a bit of extra profit from the advertisers, all the better.

    Same if you pay to have any data stored in the atmospheric water vapor formations and kept "private". It will still be sold to 3rd parties, except that it will command higher prices.

    "Hey, this guy is paying to keep your nose out of his data, so if you want to stick your nose in it, it will cost you extra." And they get your money as well.

    This business model pushes everyone to be a freeloader. Since you get the freeloader treatment anyway, why pay for it ?

  12. Re:Is there a list of sites they own so I can put by beerbear · · Score: 2

    Ssssssshhhhhhhh don't say his name! You may attract him. And nobody wants to read his crap anymore.

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  13. Re: Micropayments? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

    Well, part of it is that even a small payment can still incur a psychologically large cost. If each user post here on /. cost one cent to read, would you want to have them load automatically? Probably not, many of them are not worth that much, and you could quickly run up a bill of a few hundred dollars a year on that sort of thing from this site alone. So instead you'd have to take more time to think about what was worth spending even a little on, because it adds up and the price doesn't really match the value to you of the thing you'd be paying for.

    Something similar happens when people have metered or capped Internet usage compared to at least nominally unlimited usage.

    You really can't avoid this problem unless the micropayment is so small that it is likely not worth the cost to implement. I suppose if I knew that a year's worth of micro payments for me, for everything I use, was no more than about a dollar a year in total, it wouldn't be so much that it would feel like I was wasting money on the Internet. But because the average user doesn't want to spend a noticeable amount ever, and there really aren't that many users in comparison to sites, the resulting pie of money wouldn't be much to split up. (Especially once you reduce the amount to account for lower average incomes elsewhere in the world)

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