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Blue Origin "New Shepherd" Makes It To Space... and Back Again (arstechnica.com)

Geoffrey.landis writes: Blue Origin's "New Shepherd" suborbital vehicle made its first flight into space (defined as 100 km altitude)... and successfully landed both the capsule (by parachute) and the booster rocket (vertical landing under rocket power). This is the first time that a vehicle has made it into space and had all components fully recovered for reuse since the NASA flights of the X-15 in the 1960s. Check out the videos at various places on the web.

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  1. Please put the word "space" in quotes by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Flights that just pop up to the Karman line and back down are virtually nothing like flights that actually go to orbit. Even the X-15, which actually reached a quarter of orbital velocity, was far more like an orbital flight than a straight up/down jaunt.

    The Karman line is only 1/3rd to 1/4 of the way to proper orbital altitude. And the energy required to achieve orbital altitude is only a tiny fraction of that required to reach orbital velocity. And the rocket equation means that the faster you want to go, the exponentially more mass it takes. These little up-down jaunts do nothing except to confuse the general public into thinking that they're doing something similar to orbital spaceflight.

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    1. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. The point (and it was clear even in the summary) is that the rocket landed back down. THAT's what was being tested. Granted, they didn't have to take as much propellant with them, but that isn't as big a deal when they were testing the ability to LAND from space.

    2. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Again: "from space" is not the same thing, or even close, to "from orbit". It's not the height that causes problems, it's the velocity. And more importantly than that, it's the extreme mass limitations that reaching that velocity imposes on your craft. With suborbital flight you can dedicate all the mass in the world to making the task as easy on yourself as possible.

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    3. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by MrTester · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeeeessss....
      They clearly should have spent 5 times the money to get further into space even though that would in no way help the validity of their test of recovery systems.

      Why? Because that money would have helped shut up people who completely miss the point.
      It would have been well worth it.

    4. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      To put it another way: the Falcon 9 first stage has a loaded mass of 418 tonnes and an empty mass of 23 tonnes, or a ratio of 18,2 to 1. New Shepard has a loaded mass of 75 tonnes and an empty mass of 20,5 tonnes, or a ratio of 3,66 to 1. Noticing a bit of difference here? New Shepard has, proportionally, 5 times more mass to throw around toward making their landing easy. How easily do you think they could cut their spacecraft to 20% of its current weight and still land? And on top of that, they face far lower wind loadings and heat loadings to boot and have far less crossrange to deal with, making it that much easier on them.

      Suborbital spaceflight is the special olympics of spaceflight.

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    5. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by D.McG. · · Score: 4, Informative

      To reinforce the point of comparing a hummingbird to a raptor, Blue Origin's New Shepherd suborbital vehicle did not substantially travel laterally before landing. They had a near zero lateral velocity (winds in the upper atmosphere do not count) and came back to land at the launch site. The SpaceX Falcon 9 first stage however is traveling laterally at Mach 10 upon separation, and attempts to land 200 miles down range. Falcon 9 is also 3 times taller than New Shepherd. Not a fair comparison at all.

    6. Re:Please put the word "space" in quotes by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Informative

      The BE-2 used HTP. The BE-3 seen on this flight uses LOX+LH.

  2. Re:Cue the Musk apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least we didn't need to cue the people who don't know the difference between cue and queue.

  3. "The Karman line? More like the LOSER line!" by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Funny

    Billy (age 5): Look, Mommy, I writed a symphony!

    Mom: Wrote, not writed, idiot. Let me see that. Harumph! This is barely a sonata. And no one writes for harpsichord anymore!

    Billy: I wrote it for you! It's pretty, like you are!

    Mom: Pandering, now? Disgusting. And I guess I would have been impressed, if Mozart hadn't beat you to it, by, oh, like, two hundred years!

  4. god damn you, Sam I AM by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did they land it on a barge?
    No they did not land it on a barge.
    Did they land it at sea?
    No they did not land it at sea.

    Blue Origin did not do these things I see.
    So not as difficult can they be.

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  5. First fully reusable? by macklin01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the first time that a vehicle has made it into space and had all components fully recovered for reuse since the NASA flights of the X-15 in the 1960s

    Weren't both the White Knight and SpaceShipOne fully recovered for reuse? Wasn't that the point of the X-prize (and doing it twice in two weeks)?

    links: SpaceShipOne and X-Prize.

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  6. Re:Space Ship One? by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    Their design was kind of problematic. People naturally gravitate towards polybutadiene because of its use as a binder in solid rockets. But hybrids are not solids. Hybrids are great in most regards except for generally pathetic burn rates. Rather than consider other fuels, SS1 just used a typical solid rocket binder. One can compensate for the low burn rate, of course - usually by trying to increase the area by making many, smaller channels - this they did. But the more your propellant looks like swiss cheese, the more likely you are to have chunks break off as the rocket burns down. Which is exactly what happened on one flight, they had such a loud bang during the strike that the pilot thought his engine had exploded.

    The proper solution is pointed to by research. Rather than polybutadiene the propellant should be something like paraffin or polyethylene. They melt at lower temperatures and become very fluid. The combustion basically whips up a "spray" off of the surface, making for very rapid combustion. With rapid combustion you don't have to "swiss cheeseify" your propellant. The polyethylene and the high melting point paraffins also are very strong and stable at room temperature.

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