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The Quest For the Ultimate Vacuum Tube (ieee.org)

An anonymous reader writes: IEEE Spectrum reports on progress in the development of vacuum tube technology, which remains surprisingly relevant in 2015. "In the six decades since vacuum tubes lost out to solid-state devices in computers, receivers, and power supplies, vacuum technology has continued to evolve and branch out into new terrain, sustaining a small but skilled corps of engineers and scientists around the world, as well as a multibillion-dollar industry. That's because the traveling-wave tube and other vacuum devices continue to serve one purpose extremely well: as powerful sources of microwave, millimeter-wave, and submillimeter-wave radiation. And now, ongoing research into a new and potentially revolutionary kind of traveling-wave tube—the ultracompact and ultraefficient cold-cathode TWT—looks poised to deliver the first practical device by the end of this decade."

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  1. Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    EMPs are the death of solid state devices. But, due to their nature, vacuum tubes can weather EMPs fairly easily.

    1. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by Adriax · · Score: 2

      Is that why government tends to be decades behind when it comes to technology? A lingering cold war mentality of "No point progressing since the bombs are gonna fall any day now. Then where will your fancy silicon highways and databases be?"

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    2. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

      Vaccuum tube radios were damaged by EMP in the 1962 Kazakhstan Soviet tests, as were diesel generators (shorted windings).

      Facts are our friends.

    3. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, happy accident. Kind of like how the old government buildings will protect their inhabitants from the radiation due to all of the lead paint.

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    4. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      And, they won't burn due to all of the asbestos. It really is a win-win situation. ;-)

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    5. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. The voltage spike was enough to cause internal arcs in operating tubes, vaporizing electrode material..
      So the solution for tube equipment is the same as it it for BJTs and FETs - Faraday shield and heavy transient suppression on any unshielded conductors penetrating.
      Just less of it required for tubes as they can tolerate instantaneous voltages well in excess of their rated operating voltages and can dissipate a bit of energy without taking permanent damage, though for complex ultraminiature tubes those margins are orders of magnitude lower than for a simple dumb big triode.

    6. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by Ormy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm getting quite fed up of this myth. Solid state electronics are _momentarily_ disrupted by strong EMP, volatile and some non-volatile memory is wiped, so yes in a mission-critical situation they're not always suitable but capacitors and resistors and transistors all work just fine after the EMP has passed (seconds at most). I witnessed an experiment a few years ago where a strong but highly-localised EMP was directed onto a running consumer PC (windows 95 era). The computer predictably shut down, the CRT monitor had resetted to factory settings but otherwise worked just fine. The PC wouldn't boot because the BIOS had beed completely erased along with HDD firmware and the like, but we transplanted the CPU into a fresh machine and it worked just fine. Anything that doesn't rely on firmware or settings or OS stored on solid state (or magnetic) memory will likely function perfectly after (if not during) an EMP. As a simple example, an EMP would wipe all your gameboy/atari 2600 cartridges but the console hardware would still be working. I'm not trying to downplay the continued-yet-widely-unknown usefulness of vacuum tubes, its just this misconception about EMPs really annoys me sometimes.

    7. Re:Vacuum tubes handle EMP's better by St.Creed · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would *snort* at this, but my gasmask is in the way.

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  2. Yeah, but he REAL test!!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny
    How does it sound in a guitar amp???

    ;)

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    1. Re:Yeah, but he REAL test!!! by confused+one · · Score: 5, Funny

      Punchy lows. Solid mids. But where it really excels is highs. They're crisp and clear all the way to 200GHz and beyond. Of course you'll have to use our superflex cable with gold plated oxygen free copper conductors to really hear the difference!

  3. Many a young engineer.... by kyubre · · Score: 2

    Could learn a thing or two from studying vacuum tube technology. Unlike most everything casts from silicon, you can actually "see" electron flow, with enough certainty to end the conceptual debate between hole flow and electron flow.

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    1. Re:Many a young engineer.... by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      What conceptual debate? Hole flow is a real thing

    2. Re:Many a young engineer.... by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only it were as simple as that. He's still right about one thing though, your initial statement about "conceptual debate between hole flow and electron flow" is misguided. It's just the reasoning that's ... inexact.

      Both 'electron flow' and 'hole flow' are pseudo-particle descriptions of many-body transport phenomena. Heck, there are systems where the pseudo-electrons have anisotropic mass, charge/spin separation, and so on - hardly the behaviour of a free electron. Besides, that 'a free valence band' term you used is misleading - a vacancy is as ill-defined spatially as an extra electron in a strongly-interacting many-body system. 'Electron' and 'hole' flows both are the same concept - quasiparticle linearizations of otherwise (mathematically) intractable systems. So there is no 'conceptual debate', yet neither is a 'real boy^H particle'

    3. Re:Many a young engineer.... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      ... every schematic drawn by every semiconductor engineer got the arrow backwards.

      As I heard it, The arrow is "backward" because Benjamin Franklin, when doing his work unifying "vitreous" and "resinous" electricity as surplus and deficit of a single charge carrier (and identifying the "electrical pressure" later named "voltage"), took a guess at which corresponded to a surplus of a movable charge carrier. He had a 50% chance to assign "positive" to the TYPICAL moving charge carrier in the situations being experimented with (charge transfer by friction between different substances, currents in metallic conductors, and high voltage discharges in air and water-in-air aerosols) and happened to guess "wrong".

      Thus we say electrons have a negative charge, "classical current" corresponds to the sum of the flow of moving positive charge minus the flow of negative charge (i.e. the negative of the electron current, which is all there is in normal-matter metallic conductors), the arrowhead on diodes (and junction transistors) points in the direction of classical current across a junction, and so on.

      But though it's the charge carrier in metallic conduction and (hard) vacuum tubes, the electron ISN'T the only charge carrier. Even in the above list of phenomena, positive ion flow is a substantial part of electrical discharge currents in air - static sparks and lightning. Positive moving charge carriers are substantial contributors to current as you get to other plasma phenomena and technologies - gas-filled "vacuum" tubes (such as thyratons), gas an LIQUID filled "vacuum" tubes (ignatrons), gas discharge lighting, arc lighting, arc welding, prototype nuclear fusion reactors, ...

      Move on to electrochemistry and ALL the charge carriers are ions - atoms or molecular groups with an unequal electron and proton count, and thus a net charge - which may be either positive or negative (and you're usually working wit a mix of both).

      And then there's semiconductors, where you have both electrons and "holes" participating in metallic conduction. Yes, you can argue that hole propagation is actually electron movement. But holes act like a coherent physical entity in SO many ways that it's easier to treat them as charge carriers in their own right, with their own properties, than to drill down to the electron hops that underlie them. For starters, they're the only entity in "hole current" that maintains a long-term association with the movement of a bit of charge - any given electron is only involved in a single hop, while the hole exists from its creation (by an electron being ejected from a place in the semiconductor that an electron should be, by doping or excitation, leaving a hole) to their destruction (by a free electron falling into them and releasing the energy of electron-hole-pair separation). They move around - like a charge carrier with a very short (like usually just to the next atom of the solid material) mean free path.

      For me the big tell is that they participate in the Hall Effect just as if they were a positive charge carrier being deflected by a magnetic field. The hall voltage tells you the difference between the fraction of the current carried by electrons excited into a conduction band and that carried by holes - whether you think of them as actual moving positive charge carriers or a coordinated hopping phenomenon among electrons that are still in a lower energy state. Further, much of interesting semiconductor behavior is mediated by whether electrons or holes are the "majority carrier" in a given region - exactly what the hall effect tells you about it.

      So, as with many engineering phenomena, the sign for charge and current is arbitrary, and there are both real and virtual current carriers with positive charge. Saying "they got it wrong" when classical current is the reverse of electron current is just metallic/thermionic conduction chauvinism. B

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  4. Re:My beanburger tastes like real meat, which I ha by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my experience, when someone feels the need to insist that something is "surprisingly relevant", it's usually unsurprisingly irrelevant.

    What a surprisingly relevant insight...

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  5. PMT by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 3, Informative

    The other place vacuum tube technology in a big way still exists is Photomultiplier tubes. Photodiode technology has come on significantly, but for very low light level applications PMTs win. They lose out in quantum efficiency to silicon and ingaas photodiodes at almost all wavelengths of light PMT are actually useful at. But the internal amplification of the tubes means dark noise is very low at low light levels. To the point that PMTs can detect single photon events (photon counting) with a collection area of an inch or larger. Avalanche photodiodes (photodiodes with internal amplification) can do photon counting but only on devices less than a mm, which limits their applications.

    Of course PMTs have their weirdnesses. The gain you apply is not able to be known accurately. The devices have weird non-linearities at low gain. They have a polarisation bias. And many more.

    1. Re:PMT by GrpA · · Score: 2

      Not just photomultiplier tubes, but Image Intensifier tubes also - or more commonly known as "night vision goggles". These vacuum tubes have progressed so far that even the best solid-state technology doesn't come close to replacing it, and the best technology that exists still uses around 10 to 100 times the power required for the same approximate level of image.

      Yet these tubes can, depending on manufacture, image single photons.

      Even the new solid state tube hybrids ( eg, Electron Bombarded CMOS ) is still a vacuum tube.

      GrpA

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  6. "Doc" Smith's utlimate vacuum tube by steveha · · Score: 2

    About 70 years ago, E. E. "Doc" Smith wrote a series of books that are wonderful space opera: the "Lensman" series. The space battles just keep escalating throughout the series, getting more over-the-top.

    My favorite plot point: they used the principles of a vacuum tube to make a device whose pieces included grids mounted in the asteroid belt, with more in other orbits closer in to the sun. In effect they turned the inner Solar System into one honking big vacuum tube, and created a weapon that could concentrate a significant fraction of the sun's output onto attacking enemy fleets. This was called the "Sunbeam". (Believe it or not, this wasn't the end of the escalation. The battles got even bigger after that.)

    When you say "ultimate" vacuum tube, I think that one is pretty hard to top.

    P.S. 200-word crossover fan fiction: what would have happened if the Battlestar Galactica reboot show had found Earth, and it was the Earth of the Lensman series?

    http://archiveofourown.org/works/495034

    When I was a teen and read those books, I just enjoyed them, but now I'm thinking that it would take a lot of trust to allow Kimball Kinnison to run around acting as judge, jury, and executioner. As readers of the books, we know that he was vetted as deeply as anyone could be by the Arisians, so he can be trusted with that kind of power; but it would be hard for the ordinary people in the world of the books to trust him that much.

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    1. Re:"Doc" Smith's utlimate vacuum tube by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      You can download a few of his books from http://gutenberg.org/
      I'm reading right now 'The Galaxy Primes', it is a bout psionic humans who find lots of planets settled by humans.
      I read the Lensmen as a boy, at least those which where translated into german.
      Unfortunately I found only two lensmen cycle books on gutenberg.org, but it is still worth reading.
      However the 'escalation to bigger and bigger' is a typical thing at that time in SF ...
      Even Honour Harrington suffers from this a bit.

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  7. Re:Before I studied CS by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    I read somewhere that they still use tubes in communication satellites for that reason. Because cooling is difficult (no air to draw heat away) tubes are more efficient to send up as you don't need massive heat sinks to keep their solid state counterparts from melting.

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