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Why Car Salesmen Don't Want To Sell Electric Cars

HughPickens.com writes: Matt Richtel writes in the NYT that one big reason there are only about 330,000 electric vehicles on the road is that car dealers show little enthusiasm for putting consumers into electric cars. Industry insiders say that electric vehicles do not offer dealers the same profits as gas-powered cars, they take more time to sell because of the explaining required, and electric vehicles may require less maintenance, undermining the biggest source of dealer profits — their service departments. Some electric car buyers have said they felt as if they were the ones doing the selling. Chelsea Dell made an appointment to test-drive a used Volt but when she arrived, she said, a salesman told her that the car hadn't been washed, and that he had instead readied a less expensive, gas-powered car. "I was ready to pull the trigger, and they were trying to muscle me into a Chevy Sonic," says Dell. "The thing I was baffled at was that the Volt was a lot more expensive." Marc Deutsch, Nissan's business development manager for electric vehicles says some salespeople just can't rationalize the time it takes to sell the cars. A salesperson "can sell two gas burners in less than it takes to sell a Leaf," Deutsch says. "It's a lot of work for a little pay."

Jared Allen says that service is crucial to dealer profits and that dealers didn't want to push consumers into electric cars that might make them less inclined to return for service. Maybe that helps explains the experience of Robert Kast, who last year leased a Volkswagen e-Golf from a local dealer. He said the salesman offered him a $15-per-month maintenance package that included service for oil changes, belt repair and water pumps. "I said: 'You know it doesn't have any of those things,'" Mr. Kast recalled. He said the salesman excused himself to go confirm this with his manager. Of the whole experience, Mr. Kast, 61, said: "I knew a whole lot more about the car than anyone in the building." "Until selling a plug-in electric car is as quick and easy as selling any other vehicle that nets the dealer the same profit, many dealers will avoid them, for very logical and understandable reasons," says John Voelker. "That means that the appropriate question should be directed to makers of electric cars: What are you doing to make selling electric cars as profitable and painless for your dealers as selling gasoline or diesel vehicles?"

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  1. Easy solution by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If dealers don't want to sell them, let manufacturers sell direct to the customers.

    1. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its not a stupid business model by any means
      You forgot that the US didn't invented the car, they invented the business model, in plain English it means the land of the opportunity where any old world delinquent could get rich milking the unaware
      basically the manufacturer makes the car and makes deals with the dealer that will make money of parts and maintenance for a mint on the condition that the dealer push the brand by any trick available and in return the manufacturers make sure the customers are milked regularly during the life of the product while trying to make the life of any independent traders and competitors difficult
      Win for the manufacturers win for the dealers fuck the customers, "we do know what the customers need and want because the customers are clueless, they want what we say they want and that is that"
      A honest car with a engine that last for a million miles with out maintenance and that doesn't even require oil changes is not going to entice a bunch of crocks accustomed for decades to a business model of treating the clients as if they where their own long life personal accounts because that was the only choice available

    2. Re: Easy solution by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like the Australian state that just criminalized possession of CAD files?

      Or the one that criminalizes video games?

      Or the one that criminalizes porn actresses with A cups?

      Australia is not the first country that comes to mind when "sane lawmaking" is the topic of discussion.

    3. Re:Easy solution by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      California. As well as not banning direct sales by auto manufacturers, it provides more protections for employees (banning non-compete contract terms), limits on how short yellow lights can be at signals, and the state government is running a surplus.

      That's what good, conservative governance will do for you.

      Oh wait.

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    4. Re:Easy solution by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can still buy the "less expensive" incandescent bulbs that are actually much more expensive than LED's now (plus the risk of changing high lights on a ladder every 9 months.

      Did you read the parent post? This is a case of buyers who want to buy electric... who walk in prepared to buy electric... and the sales people steer or even actively push the buyer away from electric. Mainly- again from the article- because the electric car will cost the buyer LESS money on maintenance.

      You can bet the dealerships have set up commission structure to encourage sales of gasoline cars too.

      Electric cars don't make as much sense as they did in 2014 with oil breaking $40 a barrel. But in 2-3 years oil is going to scream back up to over $100 (inflation adjusted) a barrel (it's done it twice before) and electric cars will be almost free to buy then when you consider improvements in battery life and capacity combined with an average $16,000 gasoline savings vs an average $1600 electricity cost. Plus another $4,000 in reduced maintenance costs.

      The gas car is the "less expensive" bulb that breaks down and requires more maintenance AND burns 10x the energy that that the "more expensive" bubls do.

      Most LED bulbs (now at $4.98) pay for themselves in 3 months now. The rest is free money from reduced energy bills.

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  2. Re:Easy solution - COSTCO does it better by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tell em what you want, they tell you how much it costs and when and where you can pick it up.

  3. The takeaway is that Tesla is right by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The takeway I get is that Tesla's attempts to sell directly and avoid dealers makes complete sense because dealers have a clear conflict of interest here. Heck, it makes it seem like we should get rid of dealers altogether since they won't in general want to sell any cars that are very novel or that require substantially less maintenance.

    1. Re:The takeaway is that Tesla is right by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and other dealerships were really great and spent a lot of time with me.

      You as the end consumer paid approximately $70 per hour for the time they spent with you, including the time of *both* people it took to process your loan application, *and* the two hours they stood around waiting for you to arrive. After all of that, they still provided you with less useful information than you could have gleaned by reading the relevant consumer reports issue. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you, you got swindled and you apparently didn't even know it. All told, that middle man added approximately 8%, which for a Toyota corolla is about $1500. Was it worth $1500 for them to treat you the way they did, and do you still feel that their service was "really great"?

      To put that in perspective, $1500 would buy you a night at a Waldorf Astoria with a McLaren MP4-12C rental car for the day.

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  4. Re:Better Question by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find dealerships very annoying because they don't want to sell you the car you want, they want to sell you one of the cars they have on the lot that day! Apparently their goal with every customer is to have them buy something the same day, not come back later to pick up the actual vehicle they wanted. Why can't I order a vehicle with everything I want from the manufacturer, and go pick it up at the plant or port of entry myself, saving the $800 in "destination fees"?

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  5. I'm going to enjoy this more than I should by Dega704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you were to ask me what I like most about electric cars (and Tesla in particular), it wouldn't be the economic or environmental benefits, or even the technology.

    It's the way they are taking a long stagnant and mostly non-innovative industry and dragging it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. If the people who constantly preach about the free market truly appreciated the concept, they would know that in a legitimately free market, you either change with the times or you get kicked to the curb to make room for those who are actually innovating.

    The more they resist, the more I'm going to enjoy watching them weep and wail as they slowly become irrelevant.

  6. Better question by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better question. Just why is it so profitable to sell gas powered cars?

  7. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You totally misunderstand the value of forcing all oil to be sold in dollars. Since the world runs on oil, and countries must purchase oil in dollars, the countries of the world must keep a large reserve of dollars. This increases the value of the dollar, allowing us to offset by printing more without inflation. Fighting wars over oil is a very real thing. You just don't understand the mechanism of how this works obviously.

  8. Re:Dealers cannot die soon enough by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you think Kia wants to open up their own showrooms at malls across america? I assure you not.

    Hey, if Kia doesn't want to sell directly to me - Tesla does. I have no problem with both business models competing with one another.

    I do, however, have a problem with needing to deal with middle-men because of protectionist laws that forbid companies like Tesla from selling directly to me. But hey, YMMV, right?