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Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Ship With Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS

prisoninmate writes: The current daily build of the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) remains based on the Linux 4.2 kernel packages of the stable Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) operating system, while the latest and most advanced Linux 4.3 kernel is tracked on the master-next branch of the upcoming operating system. In the meantime, the Ubuntu Kernel Team announced plans for moving to Linux kernel 4.4 for the final release of the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) operating system.

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  1. Re:But will unity suck any less? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Took me some time, but eventually could get used to Unity. Usable now, less bugs and quite convenient - again give it time to get used to it.

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  2. Re: systemD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    systemd works just fine for casual desktop users. Of course on servers, swallowing stderr and a lot of syslog messages makes it a pain.

  3. Re:But will unity suck any less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same experience here. I was KDE only but after using Unity for a while (since 14.04 IIRC), I think it's one of the best (if not the best) UI for a desktop.

    My only complain are notifications. Not being able to interact with them is just plain stupid.

  4. Re:But will unity suck any less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    sudo apt-get install mate-desktop
    sudo apt-get purge unity*
    sudo reboot

  5. Re:But will unity suck any less? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    Hmmm http://askubuntu.com/questions/187022/how-can-i-send-a-custom-desktop-notification
    To customize a few stuff like notifs time ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/110969/notify-send-ignores-timeout
    Also some applications, eg skype, allow to enter a script path in the settings, triggered each time a notification is sent.

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  6. Re:LTS? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    nah

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  7. Re:LTS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know why you thought that. Ubuntu LTS releases have always been on a 2 year schedule.

  8. Re:But will unity suck any less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just install Xubuntu or MATE and don't worry about it. XFCE has advanced far enough to be a suitable replacement for MATE and is less resource hungry.

    Even the crap GNOME3 is better than Unity.

    KDE is the only "full" DE that doesn't kill OpenGL performance though. I don't care for it though, it's always been so buggy (does QT breed bad code or something? QT apps tend to be the buggiest). The only other alternative is to run something like OpenBox as the XFCE or MATE window manager, that keeps OGL performance where it should be.

  9. Re:systemD by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    Can someone explain why ALL THE MAJOR DISTROS have switched to systemd, when all I've seen is universal hate for it?

    Either distro maintainers are masochists, or there's someone pulling strings somewhere to get this bullshit into every distribution.

    We've slowed our move to newer versions of RHEL and Ubuntu at my workplace because of systemd. Eventually we're going to have to deal with it, but we're putting it off as long as we can. Everyone I know hates this thing. HOW did it become so pervasive?

  10. Re:systemD by gQuigs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure. systemd is fine. People hate change. Hate is louder than praise.

    I like it.

  11. Re:systemD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Most of us who dislike systemd have absolutely no problem with change. In fact, it's the one thing we've come to expect, especially those of us who are professional system administrators. People like us have each dealt with more versions of UNIX, Linux, Windows and other OSes than you could possibly imagine. Change is the least of our concerns. It's something we've dealt with every day, for decades on end, without even thinking about.

    The problem with systemd isn't that it's a change. The problem with systemd is that, in our experience, it suffers from a huge number of serious problems! We're talking about problems ranging from logging output that's not easily usable through to systems that unexpectedly stop booting properly and that are difficult to diagnose.

    We dislike it because it causes us nothing but problems, and these problems can't even be easily fixed. A bad architectural decision, like the use of binary logging, can't simply be patched away! The only reasonable way to "fix" it is to not use systemd and any Linux distro that uses systemd.

  12. Re:systemD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure there's plenty of reading material out there.

    It was written by the same cadre of villains responsible for PulseAudio. Unfortunately they're Redhat employees. Debian's governance bodies had slowly been stacked with Redhat sympathizers who snuck it in through the backdoor (used an inappropriate committee to make the decision) and a Redhatter cast the tie breaking vote. When the community demanded a general vote, there was one option for "let's just go with systemd" and like 4 options for differing levels of rejection. By splitting the opposition into 4 categories, the systemd-friendly option managed to get a plurality of the votes.

    Ubuntu had to follow suit because Canonical doesn't want to expend the resources to maintain an init system anymore.

    It is a genuinely surprising outcome. There are attempts to fork Debian (Devuon (sp?)), but it seems many people who are serious about avoiding it are moving to BSD (where systemd will not appear since it relies on features specific to the Linux kernel).

  13. Re:systemD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    universal hate? No, there's just a very very small vocal minority. in places that matter, like dev lists, people who want to make linux better welcome systemd. I think the hold outs are the ones that have never done reinstalls, customized their system to the max, etc. They already have 'fast' systems, and see any change to the old way of doing things as bad. They are the minority. Also, most of them are users and don't contribute back.

  14. Re:systemD by invictusvoyd · · Score: 2

    the only reasonable way to "fix" it is to not use systemd and any Linux distro that uses systemd.

    Which means pretty much every major distro out there .

  15. Re:But will unity suck any less? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    But will unity suck any less?

    Unity is one of the rare remaining DEs that don't have the amateurish flat look. Windows 10, OS X, KDE, GNOME, all went with it.

  16. Re: systemD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And that is why people hate systemd. Its creator doesn't understand UNIX.

  17. Re:LTS? by umafuckit · · Score: 2

    No, thankfully 15.10 is not LTS. I don't know if the problem is widespread, but on my i7 X99 system I saw a big performance nosedive on some CPU-intensive tasks. Desktop locking up, computations becoming 3 to 4 times slower, etc. This happened both with an in-place upgrade from 15.04 and when running from the 15.010 USB stick. Downgrading to 14.04 fixed everything.

  18. Re:systemD by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stderr is not and never has been dropped. RTFM.

  19. Re: systemD by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course on servers, swallowing stderr

    It doesn't. Not per design, not per default configuration. stderr is logged and can be redirected to the console. That is if you ever bothered to read the manual.

  20. What a coincidence by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3

    Just as I scrolled into this article, 15.10 hung on me again.

    1. Re:What a coincidence by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      This is what I did for my desktop. Back to mint 17.x (which is 14.04). I do image registration with elastix and my registration times jumped from about 10 to 15 minutes with 14.04 to about 45 to 50 minutes with 15.10. I also work with the MATLAB parallel computing toolbox. Connecting to parallel workers normally takes a few seconds. With 15.10 it took over five minutes or never happened at all. Also the desktop (KDE) would lock up for many seconds at a time when the workers were running. Total train-wreck. Same symptoms running off a freshly downloaded 15.10 USB stick.

  21. Re:systemD by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can someone explain why ALL THE MAJOR DISTROS have switched to systemd, when all I've seen is universal hate for it?

    The hate isn't universal.

    It's certainly easier for distribution integrators than the old RC scripts. Also, there has been considerable external pressure because some of the major packages like Gnome more or less depended on systemd, so not having it meant no Gnone which was a showstopper. Actually you can now run Gnome without systemd but for a while that wasn't possible.

    Another reason for the hate is that there are a lot of awfully obnoxious systemd fanbois out there who make claims like:
    * You hate change (literally ad-homenim, attaxking the person not the message)
    * Making claims about things that are only possible with systemd that demonstrably are not (I debunked a bunch of these in the last thread)

    There's a lot of FUD on both sides, and frankly after the PulseAudio debacle, a lot of people have a deep distrust of Lennart Pottering (well justified IMO), and are incredibly leery of making the core of a Linux system depend on code written by a cowboy coder who doesn't seem to care about stability or quality.

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