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How Technology Is Increasing the Number of Jobs We Have (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader writes: An article at The Guardian takes a look at the way in which we hold jobs as technology as changes. Its central thesis is this: "My father had one job in his life, I've had six in mine, my kids will have six at the same time." This may compress the generational changes a bit, but it's an interesting point; the average time people spend at one job has been trending downward for a long time. As technology enables the so-called "gig economy" (or "sharing economy," if you prefer), we're seeing many more people start to hold multiple jobs, working whichever one happens to give them something to do at a given time. Economist Jeremy Rifkin says, "This sharing economy is reestablishing the commons in a hi-tech landscape. Commons came about when people formed communities by taking the meager resources they had and sharing then to create more value. The method of regulation of these systems is also comparable. If people are trusted and vouched for they are accepted as part of the sharing economy group. If they behave badly they are excluded. Your social capital means everything in this new economy."

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  1. At what point do we reevaluate the position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And at what point can we reevaluate this and say "six jobs at one time is not a job, it's being taken advantage of". If everyone is complicit in it then it's nothing but being taken advantage of by mob mentality.

    I hardly find that reassuring.

    1. Re: At what point do we reevaluate the position by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why could that be? What has socialism done to give it such a horrible name? Go ahead and list a few items. You realize that the major victims of socialism were leftists just like yourself? You ended up in the gulag right along with the rightists you helped to put there.

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    2. Re: At what point do we reevaluate the position by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you think a larger population matters? If the system works in a country of 10 million people, it can also work in a state of 10 million people. Repeat that 50 (or only 30 times), and you're done.

    3. Re: At what point do we reevaluate the position by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about a mere statistical majority of white population makes a country "racist" again? Has it gotten to the point that being white in and of itself makes you a racist now? Sounds like racism.

    4. Re: At what point do we reevaluate the position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The US also has the foolish idea that capitalism = a free market.

      That's despite the fact that for most markets, the natural progression is for whatever players are most successful to leverage the extra assets that success gives them in order to buy up competitors, win price wars, and, eventually, buy lawmakers who to legislate in their favor, with the ultimate end being either total monopoly or a mere handful of mega-players (the airlines, for example).

    5. Re: At what point do we reevaluate the position by Punko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scandinavia racist? You mean like the country of Sweden that has taken more than 100k Syrian refugees with a population
      American right wingers throw "socialist" around like its a scourge, without understanding what it actually means.

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  2. Increasing the Number of Jobs We Have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you mean Increasing the Number of Jobs We Need

    just to make ends meet etc
    In which case vote for Bernie

  3. Translation: People are Getting Desperate by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who are working six jobs at once are unlikely to feel secure about their financial and social position. The people I actually know in the "gig economy" are doing it out of some combination of insecurity and desperation. If this is really the future, look for extreme political instability in our country.

    1. Re:Translation: People are Getting Desperate by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A friend of mine, who freelances full-time, keeps insisting that I should quit my full-time job and become a full-time freelancer. I've looked at it and the potential money I could make far outstrips what I earn at my current job. However, there's the potential of freelancing and the reality. The reality would be that I would work about half of a day on billable work and half a day on non-billable work (e.g. communicating with clients, drumming up new business, etc.). I also wouldn't have the stability of knowing that this month's paycheck will be the same as last month's and the same as next month's. I might make a lot this month only to see the work dry up for two months before picking up again. My monthly income could fluctuate wildly which isn't that great when you're supporting a family.

      I have nothing but respect for the people who freelance full-time, but that's not for me and I don't think people who tout this as "the next big thing" have workers' best interests at heart.

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  4. Nothing New - not very smart by Casualposter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Forget for a moment that the sharing economy is based upon some very wrong assumptions about human nature - things that any parent can tell you are not a normal part of human nature, and focus upon the inspiration for this new economic model - Feudal Europe, the village commons, the Great Depression. Nothing in the article is hopeful or progressive - it's all been done before by desperate people trying very hard not to starve to death. How many jobs did people have during the Great Depression? Lots. They just lumped them all together and said "We did what we had to do to survive." This is just another rich asshole's version of "you are poor because you are lazy - now get another low paying job." This goes completely away if wages are required to be livable.

    The concept of the Sharing economy is stupid at its core. This "panacea" is ignoring the basic human territoriality regarding property. Children have to be FORCED to share. They will throw a temper tantrum when required to share. Adults are little different. Smoother, less prone to emotional outbursts and more prone to murder than toddlers. The idea of a "sharing" economy is as dumb as any other Utopian vision that makes assumptions contrary to human nature. Every sharing economy is based upon an outside requirement - men with weapons making unarmed peasants work the land in the Feudal "Sharing Economy." Starvation in the Great Depression. Otherwise, people revert to their nature of territoriality over property.

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  5. The Opposite by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The summary states "The average time people spend at one job has been trending downward for a long time.
    but the site that is linked to this statement http://www.marketwatch.com/sto... shows the opposite: it says the average time people spend at one job has been slowly trending upward, rising from 3.5 years in 1983 to 4.6 years in 2012, the last year for which figures are available.

    The article linked seems to think that the upward trend is significant, but I think it's easily explained. Younger workers change jobs more frequently, and hence the length of time spent at a job increases as a worker gets older (according to the same site, "Over half of workers age 55 to 64 and those age 65 and over had 10 years or more of tenure in 2012, compared with fewer than 10% of workers in their 20s and 30s."). So that upward trend is just the demographic bulge (the "baby boomers") getting older. I expect that number to drop when more of the baby boomers retire, and the people who started working in the 2000s start making up more of the workers surveyed.

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  6. Change is inevitable by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And at what point can we reevaluate this and say "six jobs at one time is not a job, it's being taken advantage of".

    It's not being taken advantage of. It's called being a freelancer. There is lots of work in the world that does not require being in a single place for 40+ hours each week. Just because it is different doesn't mean it is worse or that you are being taken advantage of. I've held as many as 3-4 "jobs" at a given time. It's normal if you are a freelancer.

    I don't pretend to know what the future will look like but the one thing I'm certain of is that it won't look like today. The job market your parents had isn't the one you will have and the one your kids will have will be different still. Get used to it.

  7. Technology has nothing to do with it by Vermonter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason your dad (or grandfather) likely held the same job his entire life is because 50 years ago, employers were invested in, and took care of, their employees. My grandfather worked for GE his entire life (outside his time in WWII), and it wasn't because there weren't other jobs he could have gone to. They offered him a pension, which you just cannot find anymore. Today you get crappy health care, and if you're lucky a 3% pay raise every year, and if you are high enough on the ladder, a Christmas bonus that actually means anything. Employers just don't invest in employees like they used to.

    1. Re:Technology has nothing to do with it by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Zig Ziglar used to say that the only thing worse than training an employee and having him leave, is NOT training him and having him stay!

      Employers only care about today's bottom line and don't think about the consequences of not cultivating talent and loyalty.

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  8. Re:Question for Bernie Sanders by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Granted, it's not in person, but I'm a fan of Bernie Sanders. As for what he would do differently from Chavez? Well, for one he wouldn't abolish the US Constitution. He would have to work with Congress and within the confines set by the Supreme Court just the same as any other presidential candidate will have to. If you're asking about his specific policy stances, you should probably go to his website for those.

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  9. Re:As technology enables... ??? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not technology which is driving people to having six jobs in a lifetime. It's greedy fucking corporations laying off loyal workers at the drop of a dime. "Oh no, quarterly profits are down a tenth of a percent. Lay off 25% of those bottom-line-sucking employees!".

    Followed by the executives saying "We've saved $10 million so let's give ourselves $11 million raises. Oh no, we're in the red again. Time for more layoffs!"

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  10. Extreme job instabiltiy shouldn't be celebrated! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Outside of the hipster lifestyle in San Francisco and other tech hotbeds, the "gig economy" isn't being celebrated as a major achievement in labor economics. It's a major disruptor, and not in a good way. Doing freelance style work is fine for artists, performers and younger people with no responsibilities other than themselves. Try stitching together a living on 6 jobs at a time while being a parent. Hot internet startups are getting all the tech press lately, and I am worried that engineered PR for things like Uber, Airbnb, Etsy and other "sharing economy" companies is going to permanently shift companies' perception on their workforces. I worry that they're going to take the media's Millenial caricatures that are held up as being the new way forward, and conclude that people don't want to work stable jobs anymore. As a short aside, I'm seeing this in workplaces also; HR people are panicking that the image of a Millenial they've seen in the media (social, job hopper, entitled, etc.) isn't going to want to work for their stuffy old company, so they're slavishly copying Google and turning their office spaces into all-inclusive preschools. Our stuffy old company is doing this now and it's very humorous to watch them try to act like they cater to a bunch of hipsters -- it's like a life insurance salesman trying to market to a bunch of extreme snowboarder dudes.

    Unless society reorganizes itself totally around people having a variable income, the resulting instability of more and more jobs being automated, outsourced or part-time "gigs" is going to have a major effect on economies. 30-year mortgages were developed when people had one or maybe two jobs in their entire career. Same thing with car loans and credit card lending -- all of these assume a steady stream of income to pay current obligations as well as a progression of income over a career. If things get to a point where unemployment or underemployment wipes enough people out, things are going to get pretty hairy. No one is going to want to buy a house, a car, or anything at all if they don't think they can pay for it. People will be moving their whole families around the country every few years military-style and whatever sense of community people have now is going to disappear.

    I sound like a relic, I know, but I do miss employer/employee loyalty. I'm fortunate to work for a good employer, but know many people who are willingly being taken advantage of by bad ones. I know that for companies to be loyal to their employees, there has to be some give on the employee side also, and a lot of people don't understand that. I've worked under people who have had 20 and 25 year stints at the same employer in the past. IBM was pretty famous for this, and although their corporate culture was weird and you had to make some sacrifices, if you worked hard they would make sure you were taken care of. Same with big companies like GE, defense contractors and others. I just hope companies realize that not everyone is a Milennial living in their Mom's basement or in an apartment with 6 other people. Some of us have real world/family responsibilities and aren't looking to hop jobs every 6 months for a 10% pay raise.

    I think that if employees did show a little more loyalty (which is a huge ask in the current climate, I know) then companies would respond by training people properly, not firing them every time the stock goes down a few percent, etc. The problem is shifting the public perception away from the "entitled job hoppers" that the media loves to portray as normal.

  11. False sense of security by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It means you have absolutely no security.

    You can have plenty of job security as a freelancer just so long as you do something valuable. If what you are doing isn't very valuable then you won't have any job security no matter where you are working.

    No benefits, no paid time off, etc. None of this is conducive to a proper work/life balance.

    Welcome to being an entrepreneur. You want time off? You earn enough to take some time. You want work/life balance? You earn it. Sometimes getting there requires working pretty hard for a while. You talk about work/life balance as if it is something you are entitled to have rather than something you earn. There's nothing wrong with working for someone else but very few people can earn a substantial income without a lot of time, effort and risk.

    This is fine when you are single and have a safety net to fall back on. But that doesn't work when hard times hit and you have no net and/or you have a family.

    Working for a company won't protect you when hard times hit. In fact it tends to create a false sense of security. It's up to you to build a safety net. And having a family does not preclude starting a company or working for yourself. I've experienced all those things at various times.

    1. Re:False sense of security by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Welcome to being an entrepreneur. You want time off? You earn enough to take some time. You want work/life balance? You earn it. Sometimes getting there requires working pretty hard for a while. You talk about work/life balance as if it is something you are entitled to have rather than something you earn. There's nothing wrong with working for someone else but very few people can earn a substantial income without a lot of time, effort and risk."

      A freelancer is hardly a true entrepreneur. A freelancer is effectively an employee without benefits. Freelancers are capped by the market rates for staff plus the cost of providing them benefits. This is quite different than truly being an entrepreneur making the value of what he is producing. There is a huge gap between the market rate for labor and the market value of a laborers output... if there weren't nobody would hire employees or entrepreneurs. Actual entrepreneurs are exploiting this to make a profit on the work of others without adding value themselves (at least not beyond the value of any one of the workers) and they absolutely owe those workers benefits.

      60% of business ventures fail and most of the ones that don't fail aren't profitable in the first five years. You better have one hell of a safety net to be taking that kind of roll of the dice. It does depend on the business of course but the only ones I know of that significantly improve that outlook are effectively just employment opportunities minus benefits.