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Airbus Patent Shows Modular, Removable Aircraft Cabins (gizmag.com)

Zothecula writes: According to a recently-granted patent, Airbus is exploring the potential of creating a new breed of versatile, modular aircraft that would see detachable passenger cabins slot into a hole in an aeroplane's fuselage. The concept has the potential to revolutionize air travel, while providing significant savings for airlines by reducing the time that planes spend idle on the ground.

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  1. Possible use by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flying with incompetent pilots, the cabin may automatically detach, open a bunch of parachutes and land smoothly somewhere. Makes sense.

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    1. Re:Possible use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, that's one way to make there are no surviving witnesses: Drop a structural part of the airplane with the aerodynamics of a wall at a few hundred miles an hour.

    2. Re:Possible use by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also if the passengers board the cabin section before it is docked with the airplane this could facilitate the passengers being sent to the wrong destination rather than just their luggage as is the norm now.

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  2. Thunderbirds are go! by MrKaos · · Score: 3

    Virgil, did you lock the passenger cabin in?

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  3. Re:They didn't hear of the Fairchild XC-120 Packpl by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    Well, I did see the concept in a Gerry Anderson film (I think it was Doppelganger/Journey to the far side of the sun).

    But a patent isn't always just the concept. It depends on how much detail there is. There's clearly going to be a lot of structural issues that need to be solved. If this patent addresses them then it's valid.

  4. The idea of detachable cabins is obvious by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

    The idea of detachable cabins is obvious: I've heard it discussed before.

    What's distinctly not obvious is how to make it structurally sound and lightweight. The problem with detachable cabins is the attachment/detachment mechanisms introduce weight and both the plane without the cabin and the cabin itself (probably to a lesser extent) both need to be structurally sound, so one is more or less doubling up on the number of structural components.

    One also has to get the detach-remove-slot-in-reattach new cabin turnaround significantly faster than what it takes to clean a plane in order to offset the inevitable extra costs. The turnaround time for cleaning short haul planes is already pretty fast.

    Long haul planes have a substantially longer turnaround time, so it could help there. However, long haul flights are a bit variable in time, so if you squeeze the expected turnaround time too far, any delays will cascade as there's no buffer. Also, longer turn around times are still a small fraction of the total journey time, so even dropping it to zero wouldn't have a vast increase in the number of flights per day.

    Oh and of course there's the extra ground crew needed to operate the attachment/detachment thing, versus extra crew to turnaround the plane faster.

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    1. Re:The idea of detachable cabins is obvious by Bongo · · Score: 2

      It's a problem that's already been solved.

      http://starbase79.com/images/1999/Eagle5.JPG

    2. Re:The idea of detachable cabins is obvious by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Funny

      And then you wake up with one of those little TSA notices pinned to your chest: "For security reasons we have had to open your pod and examine your various orifices. Have a nice day!"

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    3. Re:The idea of detachable cabins is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And then you wake up with one of those little TSA notices pinned to your chest: "For security reasons we have had to open your pod and examine your various orifices. Have a nice day!"

      Pinned to your chest?

      You're an optimist...

  5. Re:They didn't hear of the Fairchild XC-120 Packpl by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't hear of the Fairchild XC-120 Packplane? The patent should not have been granted in the first place.

    You really don't understand patents do you? The patent is not the title. The patent is a method for accomplishing the title. If it's a different method for doing it than the Fairchild XC-120 used, then the XC-120 is not prior art.

    As an analogy, if I come up with a method for shutting up arrogant morons, and title the patent, "A method for shutting up arrogant morons," it doesn't mean my patent applies to all methods of shutting up arrogant morons, only the method that I specify in the patent. If somebody else comes along with another method of shutting up arrogant morons that is not the method in my patent or one that I have used before, then my method doesn't count as prior art to their patent.

  6. It will never fly by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I predict this won't happen. The cost of the system, in weight, complexity, ground support and possibly safety I think will outweigh the benefits for all but a few niche markets, which wouldn't be able to support the massive investment required to bring it to market.

    A rather smaller example was that Boeing tried to sell the idea of 777s with folding wing tips, so they could use then-current terminal gates (for which the 777 wingspan was too large.) Nobody took them up on it.

    However, I am not an airliner engineer. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

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    1. Re:It will never fly by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

      A rather smaller example was that Boeing tried to sell the idea of 777s with folding wing tips, so they could use then-current terminal gates (for which the 777 wingspan was too large.) Nobody took them up on it.

      That idea has made a comeback with the 777X series, but with a much better design - the reason it failed before was because it added a lot of weight, as the fold was inboard of the ailerons, meaning that there had to be a complicated system for attaching and detaching the control mechanisms which was heavy. The new design is outboard of the ailerons, meaning its just dumb wing and thus the locking mechanism is a lot lighter.

    2. Re:It will never fly by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

      Consider the Airbus A350: First proposed to customers September 2004. Launched Dec 2006 (i.e. Airbus commits to building it.) First flight June 2013. First commercial service Jan 2015. Airliners have long gestation periods. If I'm wrong (which I'd be happy to be) and this idea really does have wings, it still very unlikely to fly before 2030.

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  7. Re:They didn't hear of the Fairchild XC-120 Packpl by peragrin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except any basic fiscal analysis of airbus's patent will reveal that it won't ever happen. They added 30% to the weight of the aircraft. That weight will lower the number of passengers which will in turn cost more to operate.

    With planes going to carbon fiber as aluminum is to heavy adding weight to a plane is useless.

    All patents should only be granted to actual products produced within the first 5 years of the patents life.

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  8. You lost what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Riiiiight cause losing baggages was not enough of a skill. You're now going to lose passengers,

    Hey Dave where does POD4K go.
    It goes to tarmac B4
    Before what?
    Fuck it , i'll just put it here.

  9. Re:They didn't hear of the Fairchild XC-120 Packpl by Sique · · Score: 3, Informative
    You know how many patents there are just for a mixing valve? Last time I checked, it was more than 2000. No, none of the patents monopolizes the idea to mix hot and cold water already in the tube. What they monopolize are hundreds and thousands of ideas how to achieve that as smooth as possible and with as much as possible control over the mixing process and with easy operation.

    So no, Airbus' patent does not try to monopolize the idea of a detachable freight compartment for planes. It tries to cover a certain method how to achieve the detachable freight compartment for planes.

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