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Cellphones Really Are Not As Good As They Were 10 Years Ago At Making Calls (telegraph.co.uk)

whoever57 writes: If you ever thought that your cellphone does not make calls as well as the cellphone you had 10 years ago, you may be right. The UK's Ofcom (roughly equivalent to the FCC) tested cellphones and found that many needed a much higher signal than the standards recommend in order to send and receive data. This applied to 2G, 3G and 4G connections. Confirmation bias has me nodding along; Google Fi has been dropping a huge percentage of my calls lately, and I've been unfairly reminiscing about the good old days with a heavy Nokia 5100 series phone.

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  1. Antennas by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not really a mystery. Phones used to have external antennas, and now they're not only internal but the phones themselves have mostly metal cases (because it feels so much more "premium") with a tiny plastic window for the antenna because that metal blocks the radio waves. This is textbook "form over function" design.

    1. Re:Antennas by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, there's a ton more of them these days and they're sending and receiving a massive amount of data, which necessitated switching from the old analog AMPS network to increasingly complex digital networks and opening up much higher frequency bands which don't penetrate as well.

      It's like saying "WiFi routers were better 10 years ago" because back then you had the whole 2.4GHz band to yourself.

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    2. Re:Antennas by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTFA: "top-of-the-range smartphone is not as good for basic communications as the mobile you used a decade ago.

      ...a handset costing a fraction of the price typically provides better signal performance for voice calls and texts. "

      So your comparison is wrong. It's about basic functionality that the newer phones perform poorly. Read the article sometime.

    3. Re: Antennas by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is not what the tests were referring to in the article... Devices need a significantly higher signal to maintain a connection than the standards recommend, and some reference platforms for chipsets are closer in line with the standards, but themselves are *a little* high, others *a little* low. As such, OEMs are taking what is essentially a known good chipset, coupling it with an antenna design that is more insulated or otherwise inferior for some reason, at which point creating a less capable communications product - for some reason.

      With regards to devices like the 3 Google Fi phones dropping calls when they don't on other providers... Perhaps it's more a byproduct of the additional overhead of routing voice calls as data to account for the 2 cellular carriers or wifi hand-off that can take place, treating the call as VoIP between the handset and the server as compared to legacy deployments that did not have the added complexity or potential points of failure?

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    4. Re:Antennas by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not really a mystery. Phones used to have external antennas, and now they're not only internal but the phones themselves have mostly metal cases (because it feels so much more "premium") with a tiny plastic window for the antenna because that metal blocks the radio waves. This is textbook "form over function" design.

      I'm with you against the whole form-over-function bullshit that's swept the mobile device world in the last 10 years, but I wouldn't necessarily call out internal antennas as the problem.

      For one, frequencies are higher permitting smaller antennas. Voice channels are digital, and compressed, meaning lower data rates. And, quite frankly, if you can support data at megabit levels (which you can even at like -100dBm), you can support 44khz/16bit voice, let alone the unbelievable low bandwidth codecs we use.

      I think it has more to do with the simple fact that people don't use voice as often, and manufacturers are putting their development effort elsewhere. This leads to problems like incorrect microphone placement, non-functioning noise cancellation, radio firmware bugs, poor process priority management, etc.

      In the old days, I'd choose a phone based on how well it made calls. Now, it's literally the last thing I check, if I even check at all. Screen quality, data rates, processor performance, storage and RAM, internal sensor array and battery life are all far more important to me, and I suspect this is true for many, if not most. Even if it's not true, I think it's what manufacturer market research suggests, and so we are where we are.

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    5. Re:Antennas by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

      Frequencies have barely changed. In 1999, European cellphones topped out at 1.8GHz, and US at 1.9GHz. In 2015, both are now at 2.1GHz, barely 10% higher. So that's not it.

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    6. Re:Antennas by ickleberry · · Score: 2

      It was all downhill after the Nokia 3210..

    7. Re:Antennas by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      mostly because physics doesn't work like that. You can't just add metal to an antenna; to get specific frequencies you have to have specific lengths. There's quite a bit of math that goes into antenna design...you can read up on it here if your interested. Modern antenna use fractal math to bend the required length into a tiny package.

    8. Re:Antennas by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since most of the replies to you so far are smarmy, I'll try to answer your question.

      An antenna is not just a piece of metal. It's a resonance chamber. When you were a kid, you probably sloshed water back and forth in the bathtub. If you did it at the right frequency, the waves would get bigger and bigger, and eventually slosh over the sides getting your mom and dad all wet.

      That's exactly what an antenna does. The EM waves passing through the antenna sloshes electrons back and forth. If it's just the right frequency (called a resonance frequency), the sloshing gets bigger and bigger, creating a stronger signal for the electronics in the phone to pick up. Other frequencies don't create as big a sloshing (or any sloshing), so the amplifies amplifies signals close to the resonance frequency relative to other frequencies. The effect is very pronounced if designed correctly, and allows you to easily pull out exactly the signal you want from a sea of EM noise. What determines the resonance frequency? The size of the bathtub, or the length of the antenna.

      You can't use a metal case as an antenna because it's too broad. The resonance frequency along a diagonal would be different than along the edge, and your "antenna" wouldn't tune out a lot of the other frequencies you consider to be noise. You can get around this by using just the edge of the case (Apple tried this). But then anything conductive which touches the antenna (like your hand) can alter its resonance frequency, causing it to not work anymore as an antenna.

      So the best antenna design is still a metal wire of just the right length so its resonance frequency matches your cell phone carrier's frequency, mounted internally so as to isolate it from contact with other conductive items. Wrapping that wire inside a metal body creates a Faraday cage which blocks out EM signals, making reception (and transmission) worse. That's what's been so frustrating about all these bloggers and reviewers who failed high school physics who think metal makes a phone "premium". No it doesn't, it makes it a Faraday cage which is pretty much an anti-radio, the worst possible thing you could do to a phone. Save the metal cases for jewelry boxes. Plastic or carbon fiber is the best material for a phone (or radio) case.

    9. Re:Antennas by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Plastic or carbon fiber is the best material for a phone (or radio) case.

      Except carbon fiber is conductive.

    10. Re: Antennas by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      coupling it with an antenna design that is more insulated or otherwise inferior for some reason

      Not inferior, but just a tradeoff in characteristics. Dimensions being one of the characteristics, and bandwidth being another very key one. My current phone supports 8 different bands. I'm willing to guess that wasn't as big of a problem 10 years ago. I still remember dual band or triple band phones being advertised.

    11. Re:Antennas by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      Honestly, it seems like they need to put more effort into making the metal frames into the antenna itself.

      Apple tried that, it isn't as great as you might think. There is a reason that the metal was never exposed on the old antennas that stuck out.

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    12. Re:Antennas by Immerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that bands are completely arbitrary human constructs, and the number depends entirely on context. For example there is the "VHF band" from 30MHz to 300MHz which primarily handles television and FM and two-way radio. Within that band are many sub-bands that get allocated for different purposes - every radio and television station get allocated a narrow band of frequencies to broadcast in, and receivers need to tune to that specific frequency band to receive, say, channel 7 as opposed to channel 6 or 8 - every TV and radio channel is defined by its own radio band.

      Think of it like weather radios - they can only tune to one or two stations (bands), and as a result are much cheaper than a similar-quality general-purpose radio that needs to be able to tune to dozens of different stations.

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  2. Usage was lower then too by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ten years ago data was almost unheard of in cell phones. It was basically limited to SMS. People simply used their phones less.

    Now EVERYONE has a phone and they're constantly in-use. Congestion is probably the bigger factor.

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  3. Penetration is my problem... by joerdie · · Score: 2

    I get signal everywhere but in my house. So if signal isn't as good, meh.

    1. Re:Penetration is my problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Penetration is my problem

      So are you saying you need a longer antenna?

    2. Re:Penetration is my problem... by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 3

      Penetration is my problem

      So are you saying you need a longer antenna?

      Research indicates that circumference is just as important as length.

      Of an antenna.

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    3. Re:Penetration is my problem... by avandesande · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are just holding it wrong!

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  4. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Antenna's serve a purpose"

    So do apostrophes. That wasn't one of them, though.

  5. Unpair phones from services.. seriously by brxndxn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only way I know of to keep a competitive environment where cellular carriers cannot fuck with user experiences and device makers get a fair shake is to prevent cellular services companies from providing the phones. It's anecdotal (because I don't know of any app that will allow me to prove this), but I am certain TMobile drops data connections of my phone detects wifi signals nearby - even if Wifi is off. It basically forces me to use a wifi signal even though I'm perfectly happy using the cellular data signal that I pay for. It happens in good coverage areas. If devices were decoupled from cellular service providers, the device makers would have much more incentive to show the user that the device is not causing the issue. And, the services would have much more incentive to show which devices play well with their networks. Since cell phone services control the device, they can install the worlds worst battery-hogging software that just annoys the user - and prevent the user from removing it.
    So, to sum it up:
    - cellular service companies are evil, make too much money, and don't spend enough money upgrading their networks
    - cellular device companies need to grow a backbone and prevent cellular services from screwing up the user experience
    - cellular service companies should not be able to control every aspect of the cellular device
    - cellular services AT&T and Verizon are especially evil

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    1. Re:Unpair phones from services.. seriously by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Hmmm ... so nothing at all in the article suggests this has ANYTHING to do with cellular carriers, and EVERYTHING to do with phones which require a far stronger signal to work than they should.

      So, to sum it up:

      Nice screed, but it has nothing to do with the conclusions in TFA.

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  6. Re:Biased experience? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

    Living in Houston, TX with Verizon as my provider; I've never had a dropped call while talking (hands free) and driving for over an hour in and around the city. Perhaps it's just the increase in cell tower coverage and technology, but not having dropped calls is a massive, HUGE improvement over what it was 10 years ago!

    Back in the analog cell phone days, coverage in my hometown seemed about as good as it is now. However, call quality on analog cell phones was far better than modern devices. No digital VoIP sound ever. And no, I don't recall ever hearing any "static".
    Analog was great for transmitting analog information (voice) but you can't oversell the spectrum as much so it's less attractive to providers. The fact that consumers got tricked into thinking digital was better for audio transmission is kind of humorous.

  7. Re:answer: old phone with new battery. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    No it wont. most carriers are shutting down the 2G and earlier phone compatibility. by next summer it will not be useable in any way.

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  8. eyePhone! by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

    [Cut back to Fry, who is relaxing, when his head shakes and we hear a bell ringing. A telephone icon is shown on the eyePhone screen.]

    Fry: What's happening to me? Is it puberty?

    Bender: It's a phone call, dingus.

    Fry: These eyePhones are phones, too?

    Bender: Duh!

  9. Re:When I was a kid, it was uphill to school ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Actual real-time communication with a smart-phone seems to be an afterthought.

    LOL, I have an HTC Desire C or somesuch. It's a little older, not overly fancy, and has no data plan.

    It's great for texting, and is an Android device.

    The problem is it is terrible as a phone. When it's not on speakerphone, or isn't connected to a Bluetooth device, it's impossible to hold it as a handset and actually hear anything.

    Now, this is mostly OK because I mostly text, or can connect to a Bluetooth thing.

    When the odd time when I need to try to use the damned thing as an actual hand held phone, I find myself thinking "the ability to actually use this thing like a phone was the last thing on their checklist".

    Sometimes I miss my old Motorolla Krazr. Huge amount of standby time, good as a phone, not gummed up with a bunch of other crap.

    At some point I'm going to have to get a replacement phone for this thing. I just don't want something which is a smart-phone first, and an actual phone as an afterthought.

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  10. It's not as simple as that by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 2

    The external was a simple coil/linear antennae. The new antennae's in phones use a design that is "Fractal" in nature. This "Fractal" nature for antennae's leading to a much larger signal gain over traditional antennae was discovered by a German Boy Scout working on his Ham radio license. He experimented with different designs, and found a clear signal gain the more he made the antenna fractal in nature (he didn't immediately understand that it was fractal, but, he had the data plotted against various designs that were basically loops of more and more internal opposing bends (think more and more pointed star instead of circle). When this data/finding was analyzed and he began working with experts in the field, and himself learned more about fractals, he ended up with a patent on the concept. That is why "All of the Sudden" phones went from having external antennae to internal. The internal is a "Fractal" antennae that can be much, much, much more compact while have much better gain etc.