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Greener Colo: Service Providers Get Serious About Renewable Energy (datacenterfrontier.com)

1sockchuck writes: This week's Slashdot poll shows a strong preference for renewable energy to power data centers, with solar energy leading the pack. But until recently, only a few colocation providers have actually sourced renewable energy to support their facilities. A sign of progress is the commitment by Equinix, the world's largest colo provider, to shift to 100 percent renewable energy for the more than 100 data centers it operates across the world. The company is seeking to accomplish this through power purchase agreements and buying green power from utilities that offer it. Equinix is also testing both on-site solar arrays and fuel cells from Bloom Energy, which is slowly gaining traction in data centers. Although hyperscale cloud companies are sourcing more green energy, the Natural Resources Defense Council has targeted the multi-tenant data center sector as a source for huge potential gains in renewables.

33 comments

  1. as most things, it's political by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    "see? we're doing something. leave us alone, government."

    1. Re:as most things, it's political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't use to mind the government until this administration. This is the first one to get just about everything wrong and I never thought I'd say this but things were better even when Bush Jr. was in office.

    2. Re:as most things, it's political by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      It's at least plausible that such a concentrated consumer of electrical power could get some genuine utility out of some low-cost solar panels.

    3. Re: as most things, it's political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your a moron... By any measure Bush Jr was the worst president in US history and a huge destabilizing force to world peace.

    4. Re: as most things, it's political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liberal Democrats often resort to personal insults first because they're uncivilized, under-educated, and lack a clue. You're a sterling example of one who has my pity.

    5. Re: as most things, it's political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a democrat, nor do I even like Obama. I tend to associate with libertarian ideology mostly... I also call a spade a spade... Bush was a f*** up... Who else starts two multi trillion dollars wars, kills millions of people and makes the world objectively a less safe place (the rise of ISIS)... Hell, America would have been better off electing a duck for 8 years...

  2. Buy it and they will produce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fancy that, you buy renewables and renewables do well. Who woulda thunk it.
     
    Now if we could just get all these people who cry for government intervention into the matter to actually put their money where their mouth is we'd likely reach the tipping point in no time and without having to put up with the children' tedious fighting in DC.

    1. Re:Buy it and they will produce by guruevi · · Score: 1

      You know that 'buying renewable energy' from your energy provider doesn't actually insure your energy coming from the sun/wind. It insures that your energy company buys futures against any renewable energy producer, the energy still comes from coal/nuclear/hydro (whatever is actually connected on the grid when you use it and closest to you), but the price they pay on the market for said energy is at the cost of the renewable energy and is traded towards renewable energy companies, most of which are shell companies that use the profits to invest against other stocks while buying "their" energy at the lowest cost at some other point in time.

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    2. Re:Buy it and they will produce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you have just described is the energy laundering scheme that has been brewing over the last decade in some of the largest energy markets in this country. The funny thing is that the money actually does end up in some green energy project at some point (such as the massive wind farms in north Texas and California).

  3. Translated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This week's Slashdot poll shows a strong preference for someone else to use renewable energy. That, and a preference for 12-hour per day data centers.

    1. Re:Translated by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You know solar can generate 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, right?

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  4. i like inflatable sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never gonna let me down!

  5. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch the news and it's a FACT that global warming is not real.

    1. Re:What? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Well something is causing the temperatures to rise, ice to melt and sea levels to rise.

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ice is melting in one area, but increasing in others, there is more ice now then there was before. And sea levels are not riding, that is why fewer and fewer scientists believe in climate change anymore. Scientists even admitted that the cause of temp increases is due to more sun spot activity. Once that activity goes down, the temp will go down.

      Beside, what these providers are doing going 100% to renewable energy means absolutely nothing expect their costs go up, and everyone else gets power from cheaper sources.

    3. Re:What? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Arctic sea ice extent minimum as measured by satellites has dropped from averaging over 7 million km^2 in the 1980s to mid 1990s to averaging under 5 million km^2 since 2007. Antarctic sea ice extent maximum has expanded by maybe 1 million km^2 lately. So total sea ice has dropped. The GRACE satellites have measured an average loss of 280 +- 58 Gt of ice per year from Greenland from 2003 to 2013 and 67 +- 44 Gt per year on Antarctic so they are losing ice. Most glaciers are losing ice as well.

      Of course sea level is rising. The evidence is in satellite measurements and tide gauges all over the world. As the folks in Norfolk, VA and Miami, FL about nuisance flooding.

      Solar flux has dropped from where it was in the late 2000s yet temperatures keep rising. We've been continuously monitoring solar output since the 1980s and there hasn't been enough variation in solar output to account for temperature changes.

      But none of that matters to you, does it?

  6. Renewable at what cost? by AndyKron · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's too bad the people in China are choking to death making these renewable resources. And Christmas ornaments... Ho Ho Ho!

    1. Re: Renewable at what cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right! It makes so much more sense for Americans to choke on coal mining and burning.

    2. Re:Renewable at what cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you read this http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/04/how-sustainable-is-pv-solar-power.html/ it presents an argument that the solar industry as a whole (production and then drawn out payback period) hasn't yet reached break even in terms of CO2. With CO2 warming for years and 2 degrees warming giving only a 50% chance of avoiding a cascade climate failure (increase in methane producing bacteria/methane clathrates from the ice caps leading to desertification of the amazon and then no huge amazon carbon sink) , perhaps we should stop investing in carbon intensive solar and go with the good old steel and wire of wind. Hell, recycle a shit car, make it a wind turbine.

  7. what about the really big guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although hyperscale cloud companies are sourcing more green energy

    It is fine and dandy that hyperscale is moving to green energy, but I work for one of the really major players. We've gone to plaidscale cloud deployment, but so far we can't find any green energy sources that can scale to plaid.

    1. Re:what about the really big guys? by the+frizz · · Score: 1

      I know AC I'm replying to was being funny, but major players like Akamai, which only uses multi-tenant data centers and sundry free colo, are also finding the ability to reduce greenhouse gases 90% per bit delivered over the last 6 years.

  8. Except the Republicans won't allow this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since they hate us and want us to die. They kill millions every single year with their pollution. With their pollution.

  9. All I can say about that is by fredrated · · Score: 1

    squeak squeak.

    1. Re:All I can say about that is by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Oops, wrong story, this was for the He3 story!

  10. Equinix? by __aardcx5948 · · Score: 1

    Equinix are extremely expensive compared to many other co-lo's.

    Their service is also abysmal - requiring you to escalate to your account manager for every single case, or you'll wait days for an acknowledgement.

  11. Several benefits including purely practical by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Not to be forgotten is effectively having a giant UPS and being more resistant to the increasing price gouging of energy utilities.

  12. Realistically... give China credit here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just glad to see renewables doing well. I must be old... I remember when Reagan yanked the solar panels off the White House, and solar was some hippie thing, or used to power a weather station deep in a national forest.

    The real reason why solar is going well is because China hacked US solar companies, then was able to make panels for less than the cost of rare earths, destroying researchers... but the side effect of this was that it got solar energy momentum, and with protective tariffs in place, the solar industry is doing better.

    Even though the means were shitty, China making panels and getting them on the market cheap was the impetus for the wholesale move to 100% renewables we are seeing now. Without them doing that, solar would still be on the sidelines.

    These days, solar is a "why not?" item. If you have a south facing roof (or north if on the other side of the Equator), it just makes sense to add panels and an inverter, or panels, charge controller, battery bank, inverter, and dedicated solar circuits [1] if off-grid usage is desired.

    [1]: For a house, having a circuit or two that isn't connected to the grid gives you the same functionality as a whole-house UPS, as well as a circuit where all the parasitic watt sucking devices can go on, so they are not running up the electric meter. This also wouldn't just be for devices, but things like refrigerators or sump pumps, which need to work even if the electricity is out.

  13. No, they aren't serious. by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Any plan to reduce carbon output that does not include the use of nuclear power is not serious.

    Unreliable energy sources like wind and solar cannot power a first world economy. Any use of bio-fuel is based on unrealistic conversion efficiencies of converting solar power into usable energy by using plant life as in intermediary, or they are just "green washing" the burning of fossil fuels since we are still using fossil fuels to transport, harvest, and fertilize those plants. These unreliable energy sources require lots of land to capture wind, wave, or sun, and there just is not enough of it to go around.

    Any claims that the use of nuclear power is going to kill us all is laughable to me if the claims of global warming from burning fossil fuels is true. Right now, after over fifty years of government subsidy of unreliable energy we have less than 3% of our grid power coming from these sources. At this rate we'll all be baked to a crisp before we build enough unreliable energy to replace coal. I think we can manage a little bit of nuclear waste to avoid the catastrophe that is global warming, that is assuming the threat is real.

    Even using old school nuclear, with steam turbines and solid fuel rods, we'd be better off using it than not. Fortunately we now have better ways to harness nuclear power with molten salt reactors. MSRs can burn up all the uranium or thorium fuel without reprocessing, as oppose to the less than 1% efficiency we get now with once through solid fuel. MSRs can even use the old solid fuel waste as fuel. With MSRs we could produce valuable radio isotopes for industry, science, and medicine, something that is prohibitively expensive now with solid fuel reactors.

    The best things about nuclear power is it works when the sun doesn't shine, the wind doesn't blow, and the rain doesn't fall. It will also do this in any location on this planet. MSRs cannot melt down like solid fuel reactors so putting them in places where we would not even think of putting a solid fuel reactor is possible. They can also be built much smaller than a traditional nuclear power plant, meaning they cost much less to build and operate.

    Conserving energy is nice but that does not eliminate burning fossil fuels, it only prolongs the inevitable. Using wind, solar, and hydro where it can be profitable is just good business and therefore will happen whether or not the government subsidizes it. Trying to make unreliable energy where it cannot be profitable, and relying on government subsidy to make it work, is just green washing on another level. Our economy runs on fossil fuels so taxing coal to subsidize wind only makes us rely on the coal even more, not less.

    Bloom boxes and solar panels can get us only so far. To eliminate the burning of coal requires an energy source that is equally reliable and inexpensive and, barring some leap in technology, that means nuclear fission power.

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    1. Re:No, they aren't serious. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any plan to reduce carbon output that does not include the use of nuclear power is not serious.

      Anyone who claims that nuclear is the only option hasn't seriously looked at the alternatives.

      Unreliable energy sources like wind and solar cannot power a first world economy.

      No alone, no. That's just a straw man argument though, because no-one is suggesting that. The proposal is to have a mix of energy sources, including things like geothermal, hydro, wave, pumped storage, battery storage and the like.

      See what I mean about not having looked seriously at the alternatives?

      Any claims that the use of nuclear power is going to kill us all is laughable

      Yes, they are. We are laughing at you and your second straw man. People are not opposed to nuclear power because they think there is a chance it will destroy the earth, they are opposed to it because it is extremely expensive and the people who run the plants tend to be cheap and somewhat incompetent, leading to accidents.

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    2. Re:No, they aren't serious. by swb · · Score: 1

      Unreliable energy sources like wind and solar cannot power a first world economy.

      The unspoken agenda is deconstructing the economy so that renewable energy works. Zero or negative growth.

    3. Re:No, they aren't serious. by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Anyone who claims that nuclear is the only option hasn't seriously looked at the alternatives.

      I did not claim that nuclear is the only option. I said that any carbon neutral grid that does not include nuclear is not a serious solution.

      Any energy solution that includes pumped hydro and battery storage makes wind and solar look worse, not better.

      I was able to take a tour of a pumped hydro station, the primary use of it was to store up energy from the nuclear power plant so that it could match the load from the grid. If you have access to nuclear power, which can produce cheap power at a better than 80% capacity factor, and a storage system like a pumped hydro dam, then why even bother with expensive wind and solar that can only provide power at a capacity factor of 30%?

      You might claim that technological advancement will bring down the cost of wind and solar. If you want to be able to make that claim then I should be able to make the same claim about nuclear fission. We didn't reach the pinnacle of nuclear fission technology in 1970. We have computers now that allow us to model, design, and operate a nuclear power plant much cheaper than before. This is ignoring real and actual improvements in the theories of fission reactor design, which can also reduce price.

      Wind and solar share a problem with current nuclear fission in that the output cannot match the load. If you say that we can build storage systems to even this out then nuclear power can gain the capability to load follow just like wind and solar would. The primary reason that current nuclear reactors cannot load follow is the same reason that coal cannot load follow, they rely on steam turbines to drive the generators. If the government would allow nuclear power to be air cooled, instead of water cooled, then a modern fission reactor can load follow. If nuclear power can load follow then no storage system is necessary. Government policy doesn't bar air cooled reactors exactly, what it does do is place restrictions on reactor design such that anything other than a water cooled reactor would not get approval.

      As it is right now, with current technology, we can build nuclear power plants and pumped hydro and we can have a grid that is capable of producing 24/7 electrical power with no increase in its price for the consumer. Wind and solar requires either an increase in price, or some technology that does not yet exist. Any development in utility scale electrical storage benefits nuclear just as much as it does wind and solar.

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  14. Code is where the savings are not Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody writes efficient code anymore, most new software just cavalierly rapes the cpu when it does not have to. But the PHB wants the product NOW, she does not want a good product, just one that works, efficiency be damned.

    There is huge potential for environmental savings in the computing sector, but the answer is writing more efficient code. Everything will run faster and take less energy.

  15. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite the concerted enormous political bribes from the oil coal and utility industries solar and wind power is coming. In isolated cases these reactionary forces may be able to delay adoption of alternate energy sources but the implacable logic of Capitalism is unstoppable. And I'm cynical enough to think that politicians know this and are deliberately plucking money from decaying industries.