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Microsoft To Open Source Chakra, the JavaScript Engine In Its Edge Browser (windows.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft announced today that it will soon open source the "Chakra" JavaScript engine used inside its Edge browser and Internet Explorer. The company plans to publish the code on its GitHub page in January. "Microsoft is calling the version it's open sourcing ChakraCore. This is the complete JavaScript engine—the parser, the interpreter, the just-in-time compiler, and the garbage collector along with the API used to embed the engine into applications (as used in Edge). This will have the same performance and capabilities, including asm.js and SIMD support, as well as cutting-edge support for new ECMAScript 2015 language features like the version found in Microsoft's Windows 10 browser." While it'll be Windows-only code to start, they plan on taking it cross-platform just as they did with .NET. "Microsoft intends to run ChakraCore's development as a proper community project. The company says that Intel and AMD have already expressed interest in contributing, and others are sure to join them."
Does this sort of thing really get non-MS employees to contribute to the project? Or is it just a matter of opening the source so people can poke through it for the sake of their own enlightenment? If I were looking for a open source project to contribute my time and effort, I can't imagine that what amounts to a wholly Microsoft project would pull me in.
I think you have it the other way around. People do use Firefox because they like it, and people are complaining and leaving Firefox because Mozilla keeps changing it away from the browser they like. Nobody has to use Firefox, and pretty much the only people who do use it because it's the browser that's closest to Firefox 3.x in UI and functionality (if you customize it.)
Edge isn't going to change that. Edge is not Firefox 3.x, it's not meant to be, and it'll probably never look like that. Firefox will probably disappear into irrelevance within the next two years, but that's 100% on Mozilla, and 0% on any open source initiatives Microsoft might have.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Microsoft has a terrible brand recognition now. It doesn't matter howngood improve they are now, they still have many years of bad history. People won't forget it so easily.
The superior product doesn't always win. Just ask apple for Christ's sakes. Apple is an example of what good marketing and good name brand gets for you. They producte inferior product but people still buy in droves. Whereas Microsoft can produxe the best product in the world and the people still won't use based on name. Unfortunate, it it will be hard for people to wash the mouth out of the bad taste from precious Microsoft screwing them.
But people today don't use Firefox because they like it. [It's] used just because it's the least-worst of all of the shitty options. [...] They'll finally get to use a browser that isn't Chrome, but that's still fast, modern, and efficient.
If Firefox is so bad, why wouldn't people use Chrome? Are you including Chrome in those shitty options you mentioned? Because I haven't seen any browser comparisons that don't put Chrome at the top on Javascript performance, DOM rendering performance, or standards compliance.
Unless Edge comes to Linux / OS X and is much better than Chrome, I don't see how it will change Firefox's market share much. I don't even know why anyone would use Firefox over Chrome anyway, except for developers who like their developer tools better.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
1) Not thw actual quote.
2) Ballmer quit.
We had node.js from Google V8.
So MS-Node.js from ChakraCore.
Microsoft burned their bridges as a developer during the 1990s.
Well that's kinda awesome. Too bad Opera ASA left their Opera legacy and mail client to rot into obscurity instead of letting the code free.
I do not use Chrome because it is insecure - it is not Free, I do not have sources for it. I could use Chromium but that is not shipped in Fedora (it is in Fedora COPR repository but there may be some "but" when it is not shipped by default and it is just not easy enough).
I've said it before, and I'll say it again now: If you're so anxious to use Chrome, you're welcome to use Chrome.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
... as in "this is not your grandpa's MS anymore".
https://www.chromium.org/Home
Chromium is plenty Open Source, where's the problem?
3) He now thinks that Microsoft should support native Android
I know that there's a Linux distro by that name. But how did this become the name of the JavaScript Engine in Edge? The word means 'wheel' in Indian languages. Is this a Nadella import?
I use firefox because it is the least shitty option. I hate it, but I hate internet explorer and chrome even more.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
I've tried to use chrome a few times over the years. I always run into websites that it is not quite compatible with. Combine that with the whole Google spying thing, I always come back to Firefox.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
because it's the browser that's closest to Firefox 3.x in UI and functionality (if you customize it.)
I'm asking you because this seems to be a common thing that comes up with FireFox users, they talk about how they like the UI (but not in the new one or whatever).
Do people really spend that much time in the browser UI? I just want a browser UI to be unobtrusive and stay the hell out of the way, i'm quite happy with an address bar and nothing else, 99.9% of the UI i use when using a web browser is inside the viewport.
Here is the license to the open source .NET runtime: https://github.com/dotnet/core.... And here is the license to the open source framework library: https://github.com/dotnet/core....
Both are MIT licenses. The C#/VB compilers are released under an Apache license: https://github.com/dotnet/rosl...
microsoft is doing this because they think they can get in on the open source action where you have unpaid people fixing bugs. the problem with this plan is that this is people don't work on something because it's open source, they work on it because they like it and want it to succeed. you can't modify anything but the javascript engine of Edge, so why would you bother helping them? i hope they have a lucrative bug bounty program to go with this because this will make exploits a bit easier to find.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
If it was not clear I do not use software not packaged by the distro. It has then many consequences such as difficult/non-standard/missing updates, incompatible build-ids for automatic distro Bugs/crashes reporting and after all one has trust another package signing entity besides the distro one.
Does anybody give a fuck what a sellout anti-trust spyware company "open sources"?
Have a lovely day.
No one will need to pay royalties to use the code.
Not at all, I use a robust GUI known as LXDE (complete with a dock that I made all by my lonesome - I'm not very talented) and everything. It's not in Synaptic either.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The superior product doesn't always win. Just ask apple for Christ's sakes. Apple is an example of what good marketing and good name brand gets for you. They producte inferior product but people still buy in droves. Whereas Microsoft can produxe the best product in the world and the people still won't use based on name. Unfortunate, it it will be hard for people to wash the mouth out of the bad taste from precious Microsoft screwing them.
I'm not a Mac user, but for many years I felt that the opposite was true: Apple had the superior product, but everybody used Wintel systems. This was true at least for the 1998-2005 period, after which Apple got into marketing and released their media players. I'm actually surprised to hear that they are the inferior product now, so I must ask: which Apple product are you to comparing to which competing product? Are you considering desktop PCs to be Apple's core competence, or cellular phones, or what?
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
You are aware that you need more than just that?
Having the overall .NET framework available and all is nice, but you need a lot more than that in order to make a functional cross-platform program. The other components are under the license I originally referenced. Specifically, it's pretty useless without things like the Microsoft HTTP Client Libraries, Microsoft.Bcl.Compression, Microsoft BCL Portability Pack, Microsoft Async, Microsoft BCL Build Components,
In general, this is about as useful as having a C compiler without a libc.
Also, having something available as source, doesn't magically port it to your platform.
Yes, I have been known to change tabs, enter URLs, search for things, and add/remove/visit bookmarks, and as a developer I've had to make heavy use of the developer tools (which have been improving in Firefox, admittedly.)
I've also, not necessarily once a day, but maybe a couple times a week done things like enable/disable add-ons and plug-ins, change proxy settings, and so on.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I'm not interested in flying the Mozilla fanboi flag come Hell or high water.
I'm interested in having a tool that works reliably. Which Firefox did for a long time before the UX-tards started removing features, injecting advertisements, and threatening to toss out the extension API that was offered as a core reason to use it in the first place.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
It's generally easier to cut and paste apt-get commands than cut and paste a GUI session with the Ubuntu App Store (or whatever it's called these days), there's nothing wrong with doing so and it's a failing of other operating systems that you can't do an equivalent in them, not a failing of Debian et al that you have that option.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Take a look at how long it took Sun to open source Java. You can't just open source a major project like it was nothing. You have things like 3rd party code that might be included under a priority license, code cleanup to do, credentials that need to be sanitized, liability to worry about, etc...
Really? Chrome: Ctrl+T, type query, enter. You've just searched the internet. Ctrl+H, type query, enter. You've just searched your history.
So I have no idea what you are talking about... It sounds more like you not understanding the tools than a problem with the tools in question.
The other components are under the license I originally referenced. Specifically, it's pretty useless without things like the Microsoft HTTP Client Libraries, Microsoft.Bcl.Compression, Microsoft BCL Portability Pack, Microsoft Async, Microsoft BCL Build Components,
Of course they didn't open source everything at once. That would have been a legal nightmare. Sun didn't open source Java all at once either. They open sourced the core in 2006, and then started the OpenJDK project to open source the toolset and standard libraries. The OpenJDK didn't eliminate the last proprietary code until the very end of 2010. But Sun was a good company, and MS is an evil one right? So we should shit on MS even if they do exactly what Sun did.
Also, having something available as source, doesn't magically port it to your platform.
Microsoft to Open Source More of .NET and Bring it to Linux, Max OS. Seriously, why don't you take five seconds to google something before you spew nonsense all over this comments section?
Someone else in this thread mentioned patents. Several parts of .NET have been released under the Apache 2 license, which contains a patent grant. Additionally, a lot of the software is released with a Patent Promise.
.NET Patient Promise
They have .NET hospitals now? I guess it was only a matter of time.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I typed that on my mobile phone. Damn autocorrect.
Where is the "Nope. That is exactly what I want." button Slashdot? I really did just want the ;-)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun