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Science-Fictional Shibboleths (antipope.org)

An anonymous reader writes: SF author Charlie Stross has put together a short list of what he considers to be shibboleths for implausible science fiction. (If you're unfamiliar with the term, read the Wikipedia entry first.) So, what tops his list? "Asteroidal gravel banging against the hull of a spaceship. Alternatively: spaceships sheltering from detection behind an asteroid, or dodging asteroids, or pretty much anything else involving asteroids that don't look like [a pock-marked potato]." Another big red flag for Stross is when authors fail to appreciate Newton's second law, having their characters undergo impacts or accelerations that would turn them into a thin, reddish paste on their starship's hull. Some interesting examples from commenters include: futuristic yet manually-aimed weapons, technobabble as a plot device, and science officers with Ph.D. levels of expertise in dozens of fields. One of mine: entire races or planets full of people who behave the same, often based on some keyword. What are yours? Stross's focus is on books, but feel free to bring up movies and TV shows as well.

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  1. BLANK noun. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Earthican ale. Yeah it sounds cute but Earth does not produce just one type of ale.

    Earthican coffee. See Earthican ale.

    1. Re:BLANK noun. by pepty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't matter how many styles of ale a planet has if one type is considered prototypical or is the only one that gets marketed on other planets. Columbian coffee. Canadian bacon. Irish whiskey. And Fosters: Australian for Beer.

      Improbable assumptions don't really bother me too much in science fiction, especially if they are only serving as background to whatever the story is focusing on. Tropes are running shoes: use them to go someplace interesting. What gets me is internal inconsistency (if you're going to dream up a puzzle, make sure the pieces actually fit together) and bland assumptions. If the author's answer to "what if ...?" is "the same old tired shit as the last 30 people who wrote a space opera" the result might have some merit, but it won't be from being fascinating, thought provoking, or amazing.

    2. Re:BLANK noun. by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Columbian coffee. Canadian bacon. Irish whiskey.

      I think you really nail it here. Canadian bacon is the best example: it's not bacon, and it's not from Canada, but the name sticks. I think the problem is when people hang out *with Romulans* and talk about "Romulan ale"- the Romulans would, of course, know better, as would some ale aficionado. But in the general case, it's very safe to say "Earth Sugardrink" when talking about whatever the most popular human soda is. Sure, *we'd* know better, but the aliens might not, etc.

    3. Re:BLANK noun. by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Earth Sugardrink" when talking about whatever the most popular human soda is.

      I'm adopting this expression. Hell, we should all adopt this expression, so maybe we'll drink less of it and actually enjoy it more when we do have it...

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    4. Re:BLANK noun. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

      Foster's is Australian for "that kangaroo piss we sell to Yanks who don't know any better". Discerning Aussies drink Toohey's. Less discerning Aussies drink VB.

      *prepares for flames from fans of Victoria Bitter*

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    5. Re:BLANK noun. by crunchygranola · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, high fructose corn syrup != sugar.

      You need to learn simple chemistry to understand that fact.

      Umm... no. Just no.

      High fructose corn syrup contains (in addition to water) fructose ("fruit sugar") and glucose ("grape sugar"). Both are "sugar".

      They aren't sucrose, but that is not the only sugar.

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    6. Re:BLANK noun. by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In contrast, consider (from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe):

      It is a curious fact, and one to which no one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85% of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonnyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand or more variations on the same phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian "chinanto/mnigs" which is ordinary water served at slightly above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan "tzjin-anthony-ks" which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that the names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds.

      What can be made of this fact? It exists in total isolation. As far as any theory of structural linguistics is concerned it is right off the graph, and yet it persists. Old structural linguists get very angry when young structural linguists go on about it. Young structural linguists get deeply excited about it and stay up late at night convinced that they are very close to something of profound importance, and end up becoming old structural linguists before their time, getting very angry with the young ones. Structural linguistics is a bitterly divided and unhappy discipline, and a large number of its practitioners spend too many nights drowning their problems in Ouisghian Zodahs.

    7. Re:BLANK noun. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FDA defines "sugar" as sucrose ONLY for the purpose of the ingredient list on the label. However, the FDA defines sugar to include all sugars (glucose, fructose, lactose, dextrose, etc) when the label is stating the total amount of "sugar" in the product. It is true that MOST people are too stupid to realize that fructose is scientifically sugar just as much as sucrose is (especially considering that sucrose is fructose chemically bound with glucose). Technically, any chemical for which the chemical name ends in "ose" is a sugar (that is what that ending MEANS).

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    8. Re:BLANK noun. by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I ordered Canadian bacon for breakfast when in St John's and got something like a boneless smoked pork chop the size of my head. I don't give a damn what you call it, it was freaking awesome.

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    9. Re:BLANK noun. by khasim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, it's a different type of Earthican sugardrink. You probably never heard of it. I get it imported from a small distributor.
      - Klingon Hipster

    10. Re:BLANK noun. by pepty · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, high fructose corn syrup != sugar.

      You need to learn simple chemistry to understand that fact.

      CAP === 'subparts'

      Hello,

      PhD in chem here. HFCS is ~75% sugar, the rest is pretty much water. It's not cane or beet sugar (almost pure sucrose) though.

  2. Missing a target with a laser weapon by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm looking at you, Star Wars.

    Your human target is 50 feet away and barely moving and yet SOMEHOW all of your crack Stormtroopers miss with a weapon that shoots at the speed of light.

    A gigantic weapons platform (the Deathstar) with virtually NO point defense, virtually NO fighter screen, and practically no close-in, anti-attacker weapon mount points. WTF??

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    1. Re:Missing a target with a laser weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see. You seem to be under the impression that Star Wars is science fiction.

    2. Re:Missing a target with a laser weapon by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your human target is 50 feet away and barely moving and yet SOMEHOW all of your crack Stormtroopers miss with a weapon that shoots at the speed of light.

      Those are blasters, not lasers. If you can see a discreet glob of energy fly fast through the air, it's not made of photons, it's giving off photons as a side-effect.

    3. Re: Missing a target with a laser weapon by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      anyone hit with a blaster is pretty much fucked, it seems.

      No, blaster shots only kill you if you're wearing full body armor like a stormtrooper. If the blaster shot hits bare skin -- say Princess Leia's arm on Endor -- you'll wince in pain but shake it off and be back to full health within a few seconds.

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    4. Re:Missing a target with a laser weapon by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >Did the Death Star even have an FTL drive? If it did, why didn't it use it to escape attack?

      Because one must assume that the smaller ships near it would be in an inertial damping field. It simply has to exist because a light speed jump would mean every person inside a ship would hit the back wall with a few petajoules of energy otherwise. So, ok, there is a 'Mass Effect' field that occurs on the ships, then once a small ship is inside that bubble running away doesn't do any good, much like speeding a plane up to 400Mph to run from a terrorist bomber if the bomber is seating in isle 3A.

      Most of the issues with the death star on ones of hubris, it would have never ran anyway, it thought it was undefeatable.

    5. Re:Missing a target with a laser weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep. (Who said it was advanced? This was 'a long time ago,' remember?)

  3. With you on themed planets by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole idea of themed planets or themed races largely turned me off of reading SF, and one of the reasons I won't go near StarWars with a 10 foot pole.

    Trying to define an entire race or culture or planet with a 3 word phrase is asinine. Doing that for every race or culture or planet in a galaxy just makes me cringe. I can't read or watch it.

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    1. Re:With you on themed planets by khasim · · Score: 3, Funny

      And those "aliens" always have the weirdest MANDATORY rituals.

      Like when the Earthican science officer has to travel home so he can celebrate Chr'istm;as with his family or else he will experience a drop in honour and require an increased h;oul'y pAy''ra'te for those days.

      It was bad enough when he had us all sitting around the rec deck cutting Chr'istm;as kh'ah'rdd=s out of pAy''pur so we could exchange them with each other for kh'ah'rdd=s that we had just cut out.

  4. shibboleth by mikesum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was unaware of this new definition of shibboleth that essentially mean cliché or trope.

    1. Re:shibboleth by fisted · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Came here to say that. Extra stupid considering TFS contains that suggestion to read the Wikipedia article first, 'if unfamiliar with the term'.

  5. single-climate planets by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it seem that most "alien" planets have a single climate everywhere? That doesn't even seem possible in any real (~spherical) world. In our solar system, not even Mars has the same climate everywhere; it has ice caps, and plateaus with visibly different weather than the lowlands. Actual aliens that are physically compatible with humans would be expected to live on planets with variability similar to ours, with visible climate changes every few hundred km or so. Granted, you might expect a single climate if only one spot on a planet is involved in the plot. But usually there's travel on the planet, and usually it's about the same (usually desert or jungle) in all the scenes. Of course, there are few exceptions that are more realistics.

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  6. Two of those actually seem reasonable... by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Two of those actually seem reasonable...

    (1) The manually aimed weapons.

    Especially in the event that there is some probability effect that the gunner is able to take advantage from, which a computer can not; for example: the gunner may be a main character, in which case, they can't die, which means if a preternatural aim is necessary to their survival, they will of necessity have a preternatural aim. But there's actually no reason to step past the fourth wall in this case, if we posit psychic capabilities, or very long distances relative to the speed of light vs. the speed of the craft: you will need to shoot where the enemy will be when the weapon passes through their location, rather than where the enemy currently is, and you can't depend on them to not be taking bridge-lurching evasive maneuvers.

    (2) Science officers with Ph.D. levels of expertise in dozens of fields.

    This isn't that unbelievable, although most of the people I know in the "science officer" range tend to be struggling somewhere early in their second dozen...

  7. Re:first by show+me+altoids · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is actually a pretty good shibboleth. It can be used to identify trolling assholes with almost 100% certainty.

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  8. Re:first by MisterSquid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The GP is definitely an example of a shibboleth.

    Given the summary, however, it appears that Charllie Stross doesn't know how to use the word "shibboleth" correctly.

    In particular, a shibboleth is simply an expression or signal used by someone that helps other members of the in group recognize the signaler's (shibboleth user) membership in that in group. It's not used as a pejorative.

    While certainly people (in or out) can react negatively to a shibboleth (like judging people who, for example, "high five" each other), shibboleths are not negative in and of themselves. Designating improbable science fictional mechanisms "shibboleths" really doesn't make sense.

    At all.

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  9. Size changes by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Informative

    My biggest cringe is when something changes size - like when Dracula changes to a bat or someone (as for instance Hugh Jackman in Van Helsing) changes into a werewolf of 2x volume. (Or Odo changing into a mouse, or when his full human size fits in a bucket.)

    My second biggest is when the bullets hit everything except the person - such as running along a waist-high cast iron fence and the bullets hit the vertical bars but not the person. (I don't so much mind the "spark" that a bullet makes when it hits concrete in the movies - that's a good visual cue.) Also, someone outrunning the swept arc of machine gun bullets. Also, someone behind a couch being shielded from bullets.

    My third biggest cringe is people hanging on by their hands for more than 30 seconds. People in *really* good shape can hold on for 60 seconds (try it some time), but unless you are an elite climber you won't get past the minute mark. Viz: the scientists in the 1997 movie "Batman and Robin".

  10. Re:English by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

    And the elite all speak with British accents, so you know they're elite.

    A British accent is usually a sure sign that they are evil too. That and well groomed beards, favoured by bad guys everywhere. I guess they need something to stroke, and cats are never around when you need them.

    In my science fiction universe, everyone speaks with a working class Scottish accent.

    When the crew meets a new alien race for the first time and transmits a universal greeting in all known languages, does that include Welsh?

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  11. Re:superhuman speed at mundane tasks by flopsquad · · Score: 3, Funny

    They were clearly trained by the forensics investigators from cop shows, who can also enlarge any photograph by a factor of 1000 with perfect detail.

    "Hold on, go back to that photo they took with a point-and-shoot on the International Space Station.
    Enlarge.
    Enlarge.
    Zoom in on that dot.
    Magnify 1000x.... can you clean that up?"

    [Exchanging knowing looks]

    "We've got the son of a bitch now. Notice the rotation of the screws on the main shoulder plate? This is Iron Man right after he got clipped by a Navy fighter jet, clearly violating Newton's 2nd Law. He should have been turned into a reddish paste on the inside of that suit, but this photo clearly shows the only serious damage was to the realistic depiction of physics."

    "And fachrissakes would someone tell me what the word 'shibboleth' means!?"

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  12. Re:first by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative
    No, that's not what a shibboleth is for. A shibboleth is some kind of passwort or parole to differ between friend and foe, as told in the Book of Judges, 12, 5-6:

    And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;

    Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

    Charlie Stross meant to write about tell-tale signs for bad SF. And yes, the pronounciation of shibboleth was a tell-tale sign for being an Ephraimite instead of a Gileadite. But not every tell-tale sign is a shibboleth. For a shibboleth, you actually force the person in question to pronounce the word for you. But in bad SF, no one forced the author to put the tell-tale signs in there, he wrote them voluntarily, as he is a bad SF author.

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  13. Re:Deep meaning. As in puddles. by gumbi+west · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're assuming that just because the author didn't consciously intend to include a theme that it's not there. Other's aren't restricted by that assumption, myself included. I believe that many artists that won't answer questions about their intent basically agree--they are not the authority on the subtext of their work.