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California Attack Has US Rethinking Strategy On Homegrown Terror (nytimes.com)

JoeyRox writes: The recent terror attack in California reflects "an evolution of the terrorist threat that Mr. Obama and federal officials have long dreaded: homegrown, self-radicalized individuals operating undetected before striking one of many soft targets that can never be fully protected in a country as sprawling as the United States." With this new type of terror risk, authorities may begin relying more heavily on citizens reporting suspicious behavior of others. The attack is also expected to renew the debate over privacy versus security for software encryption. President Obama will be addressing the nation tonight to discuss the attack.

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  1. Did your media cover up inconvenient bits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    In the LA times, I spotted the usual newspeak like "true muslims don't do this" and "Muslims should step up good works".
    Nowhere in the LA Times article have they mentioned the actual killing commands.
    Do the dominant media in your area cover up inconvenient facts (in every beheading, every killing of Jews)?
    For reference, I put Mohamed's commands, and how they are reported, side by side with Hitler's:

    Hitler orders his followers to kill Jews.
    His orders were covered up by his media, controller by a guy called Goebbels.
    Hitler was reported as bringing peace in 1938.

    Mohamed order his follows to "smite at the throats of non-members" (Source: Koran Surah 8)
    and "There is Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him" (source: Hadith).
    US White House reports that "Islam is an ideology of peace" (Dec 2014)

  2. Re:A good start by MorePower · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indonesia (the largest Islamic nation in the world)
    Also Malaysia

  3. Re: A good start by unami · · Score: 3, Informative

    bosnia, turkey, malaysia, egypt... i'm not that well travelled, but those are the first that come to my mind.

  4. You didn't notice the problem? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before I point out the problem let me point out what happened the day of the San Bernardino shooting. Within 30 seconds of the shooting, there was reporting on _every_ major new station that this was a 2nd amendment problem. Within 5 minutes, they had blamed conservatives (especially those dirty Libertarians who are despised by the Government and Media) for the shooting, and claimed that encryption needed back doors for Government snooping. The lie about the Paris terrorist attack being planned over encrypted channels was repeated several dozen times.

    For 4 hours I listened to the puppet media claim that Guns were the problem and that _more_ gun control was necessary, and those libertarians and conservatives were a danger to the world.

    Not one time in the 4 hours was it mentioned that California has THE strongest gun regulations in the country. Chicago was not mentioned either, which is a "gun free" city and county but has an incredibly high rate of gun violence sporting over 10 shootings a day (and over 1 dead per day) in a place where guns have been banned. At least for the citizens that abide by the law.

    Within an hour of the Police finding and killing the 2 shooters we had their names. We also knew that his wife was Pakistani and the interesting circumstances for them meeting. We knew that she dropped their 6month off at a relative's house, an a few hours later knew that they had homemade weapons, links to at least one Jihadist terrorist group from Facebook posts, and attempted to wipe their hard drives.

    For TWO MORE DAYS Politicians and Puppet media (*NBC*, *FOX*, *ABC*, NPR, *CNN*) claimed that the problem was home grown libertarians who owned guns, and facts were ignored to support that narrative. If the word "Muslim" was mentioned it was followed up immediately with Libertarians and/or how we lack gun laws.

    So you post a number as if it has special meaning, and ignore the wise words of Mark Twain. "There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics." You also ignore that the source of that number is a Reddit group! Do you also believe every post on Slashdot and Facebook, if it looks official? Why can we not find that same information from the FBI?

    Well, that would be due to the fact that the number is bullshit. According to the FBI there have been 21 mass shootings this year, not 355. A longer term study performed by that same Law enforcement agency shows that the trend has been declining, not rising. The Narrative you post works because "shooting" is intentionally conflated to appeal to the emotions and make it appear that these are all San Bernardino like events.

    Damage of any kind to _innocent_ people is wrong, but remember that crime is not a one way street. Crime does not stop magically when guns are banned, and if you somehow hold such a delusion you can look at the UK and Australia for both long term and short term crime trends with unarmed citizens. Banning guns does one thing. It removes people's ability to defend themselves, making them completely dependent on the Government for defense.

    For the citizens to be able to defend themselves we accept a certain level of risk. The Rights of the people to defend themselves is in the Constitution very intentionally. Nobody stops _you_ from defending yourself or throwing your life to the Government. You currently can not legally demand that others do the same, and hopefully you never will.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  5. Re:When you can't trust your neighbour by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

    What we need to do is spend money on building up social structure. Street parties, neighbourhood parties, things that bring people together and strengthen the social structure

    Reports are that the coworkers of this guy threw a baby shower for his wife, not long before he shot them.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  6. Re: Of course they have to lie ... by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Informative

    The vast majority of those shootings are drug dealers shooting at drug dealers. Which is why the proper number to compare against is the FBI's active shooter classification. Between 2000 and 2013 there were a total of 127 such shooters.