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Beijing Issues 'Red Alert' Over Smog (independent.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: The Chinese capital of Beijing has issued a "red alert" for air quality within the city, the first time the city has reached the level of caution where it's deemed "unhealthy" for all residents. Starting Tuesday morning, schools will be shut down, the production of smoke will be limited, and cars will be under an odd/even alternate day ban while the local government waits for air quality to improve. It's expected to last until mid-day on Thursday when the weather looks likely to blow it away. "Air pollution monitors showed that areas of Beijing had more than 256 micrograms per cubic metre of the poisonous particles. The World Health Organisation (WHO) says that anything over 25 micrograms is considered unsafe. The poisonous smog in Beijing is caused by the burning of coal for industry and heating, as well as huge amounts of dust from the city's many construction sites. The problem is being made yet worse by high humidity and low wind." The city has been in bad shape for a while now, and Greenpeace called for this very measure a week ago.

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  1. "Red Alert"...commies...heh! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Red Alert"...commies...heh!

  2. Race to the bottom by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let this be a reminder to those enamored with politicians who claim "we can compete with China by relaxing our regulations".

    I believe we should tariff goods from countries who don't adhere to basic labor, pollution, and safety standards.

    For those who claim that prevents such countries from "advancing", the country can instead encourage more local consumption. Asian countries have been slow to do this, largely because governments are afraid it will make their population pop-culture addicts, like those found in the USA. They don't like "work hard, play hard". They only want the first.

    But if you want the benefits of pop culture (sales & profits), you have to take the downsides also. We make it too easy for them to have the good sides of globalization without the bad. We should put our foot down. Why do we always trade on THEIR terms?

    1. Re:Race to the bottom by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      blah blah blah, you'd put over half the U.S. population into poverty since they wouldn't be able to buy things to meet their basic needs, as they are made in China. You point of view is not actionable, it is stupid

      Perhaps the richest 1% of the US population could provide the half that lives under the poverty limit with bread and games? That worked out pretty well for the Rom.... oh... never mind....

    2. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      blah blah blah, you'd put over half the U.S. population into poverty since they wouldn't be able to buy things to meet their basic needs, as they are made in China. You point of view is not actionable, it is stupid

      Basic needs?

      Just about all of our food is US grown and some fruits come from Latin and South America.

      Clothing is made Mexico, Latin and South America and in Southeast Asian countries.

      Medical and education is 100% US.

      Also, China is investing heavily in green energy because they do in fact know that their reliance on coal is killing them. Most likely in the near future if one wants a solar panel, it's gonna be Chinese designed and made.

      Anyway, right now if we did what the GPP says would be wonderful and may help bring some of those jobs back. And it wouldn't anything to put people into poverty - global trade is doing that quite well. See, Econ 101 teaches us that with global trade, local company expands, hires more people at all levels, makes more money, and people experience more prosperity.

      But what happens in real life is that Big Corp builds overseas "to be closer to their market", hires folks over there for pennies on the dollar, keeps the profits over there (tax inversion) and the gains go into the CEO's and the stockholder's pockets - which is nothing for us peons who own only a few shares and does nothing to compensate for our reduced standard of living.

      So, I'm all for chilling China trade.

    3. Re:Race to the bottom by sjames · · Score: 2

      LA's problem isn't even 1/10th the problem in Bejing.

    4. Re:Race to the bottom by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      But if you want the benefits of pop culture (sales & profits), you have to take the downsides also. We make it too easy for them to have the good sides of globalization without the bad. We should put our foot down. Why do we always trade on THEIR terms?

      How about I trade or don't trade with them on my terms, and you trade or don't trade with them on your terms? Sure we have the same rulers, but there's no real such thing as "we."

    5. Re:Race to the bottom by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This "race to the bottom" is a rejection of two and a half billion people raising themselves out of literal dirt floor poverty, proving, again, economic freedom works the miracles central planning cannot.

      What you call "the bottom" is something they aspire to. They find the idea of an apartment and a smart phone and TV intoxicatingly attractive and will work for it.

      There can be too much pollution, but regulations need to consider actual advancement. People live longer and healthier in a modern, polluted society than in grinding, dirt-floor poverty.

      Equalizing regulations to the vastly over-regulated west (where factory and plant construction is ground almost to a halt) is in nobody's interest *here*, much less in China. You need the happy medium where regulation does not interfere much with growth...if health and longevity, both of which rely on advancement, are your priority. If these are not your priority, thanks for killing people with your policies.

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    6. Re:Race to the bottom by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      blah blah blah, you'd put over half the U.S. population into poverty since they wouldn't be able to buy things to meet their basic needs, as they are made in China.

      Right because China completely cut off trade with us if we put reasonable tariffs in place and turned the heat up (tariff size slowly) until they either adopted similar labor and environmental standards.

      No they won't do that because we are the biggest market and if they had to stop selling into our market in large quantity their own economy would completely collapse. The time to end free-trade and use access to our market as a lever to affect Chinese policy is NOW not later after they have expanded their domestic market. If we force China to reform today they won't be able to roll back those reforms in the future even if we are no longer as large a trade partner as a percentage of their overall economy. Its not like you can get a workforce accustom to safe conditions and fair wages and than take it away without revolts.

      No it would not plunge the US into poverty. Poverty is about not meeting ones basic needs, food, heat, shelter. Those things for the most part don't come from China. Its electronics gadgets nobody really needs that would shoot up in price. Now that might also mean some medical equipment and less elastic goods as well. Provide we don't completely shut down trade overnight the effects could be controlled. The quality of life might fall a little bit for the upper middle class and the well healed, that is alright. It will be short while domestic industry pops up to provide a source of the cheap goods we are no longer bringing in from China, it should also create jobs and push wages up here, which will help close down the wage gap everyone is so worried about.

      'Free' Trade with China, while they don't play by the rules and are permitted to play games with their currency, bring labor to market in ways our sensibilities would never allow, and operate excessively dirty industry rather than investing in cleaner improved processes is dumb. Its bad policy that has been hurting us for the last 30 years and it should be stopped.

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    7. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty sure the U.S. economy still grew like gangbusters after the formation of the EPA and cleaning up of the lakes and rivers catching on fire.

      I really despise this attitude that environmental regulations put people out of business. While it may make the cost of business too expensive for some it creates new industry over and over. People said the same thing about the catalytic converter with cars. Pretty sure they are still around in abundance.

      If an industry relies on being out to pollute the crap out of the area then I would ask do we really want it? Do we need another tv manufacturer that much?

      Probably the worst assumption out of all of this is that these stricter regulations would all happen at once rather than setting goals and timelines which has been in every proposal. Its just like the minimum wage proposals, none of them put it at $15 right away, it about setting it higher and setting a goal. Goal setting isn't a bad thing.

    8. Re:Race to the bottom by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rome had gladatorial contests from 216 BC to 354 AD with smaller contests continuing into the late 400's, possibly early 500's.

      Most (99.999%) nations fall faster than that, so bread and circuses was a solution more than a problem.

      So it did work out pretty well for the Romans.

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    9. Re:Race to the bottom by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      clothing and shoes and tools and light bulbs and fasteners and tools and motors....you really don't know, do you?

  3. Re:We need to lose about 80% of the population, st by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    smog is not climate. you are a moron

  4. Re:How does their current level compare to 1970's by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...or London in 1952?

    http://history1900s.about.com/...

  5. Re:We need to lose about 80% of the population, st by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    It is also influenced by geography, maybe they should just flatten all the mountains around Beijing to prevent this issue.

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  6. Re:Just have a few red shirts die and sweep it und by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Informative

    Um, so . . . where is it going to be blow away to . . . ? Maybe Shanghai . . . ?

    California!

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  7. Once visited Beijing airport in 2010 by rsborg · · Score: 2

    Was only on the way to HK, but the air quality was so bad even in the airport that my daughter (who has situational asthma) was coughing ceaselessly and we had to use her nebulizer while in the lounge - luckily we were only laying over for 3h.

    I had no interest in leaving the airport to visit the city proper even if I could.

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  8. It's the media!!!!!! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pollution has been around since the dawn of time.. This is just a naturally occurring cycle in our planets history, plus the data doesn't go back far enough to come to a conclusion. This is just a story by the main stream media to further the agenda of "Big Science".

  9. I blame solar panels by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    Probably caused by making all those solar panels for the western countries.

  10. Re:The threat level is "orange" by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 2

    If you like "red alerts", get ready for the "the threat level is orange; the threat level has always been and will always be orange" 3.0: DHS just announced a new threat level alert system.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...

    Odd, how I first read that as "theatre level alert system"

  11. Re:How does their current level compare to 1970's by obenchainr · · Score: 5, Informative

    The highest PM2.5 in Los Angeles is estimated (it wasn't measured back then) to have been about 100 ppm (from the LA times last year: http://www.latimes.com/world/a...). In recent times, the max was 79, and the daily average is 18 or so. That puts Beijing at 2.5x the worst LA has ever seen and about 15x worse than LA on any given day.

  12. Greenpeace called for this very measure by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2
  13. Screw Greenpeace, this is their fault... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is the persistent anti-nuclear campaigning of Greenpeace and other "environmental" organizations which has left the world with a dwindling complement of 1950s era reactors, and prevented the development and adoption of better nuclear technologies. If they hadn't killed the first nuclear renaissance, the world would be off of coal by now. Places like France, Sweden, and Ontario have proven that nuclear can eliminate coal use while providing clean energy on a large scale, even with old technology. Even so, the limited amounts of conventional nuclear remaining are responsible for a large majority of the clean energy produced today.

    Meanwhile, those most vigorously pursuing Greenpeace's dear wind and solar have only demonstrated how ineffective those technologies are at displacing coal or other fossil fuels. Excepting the large contribution of biomass to renewable energy production reveals an even more hopeless situation. As if it weren't bad enough, the "green" solution to the intermittency of those technologies is to burn biomass or biofuels, which are worse yet than coal. At the end of the day, the rise of coal consumption continues unabated. Thanks!

  14. There is no "Away" by MonkeyTrial · · Score: 2

    "It's expected to last until mid-day on Thursday when the weather looks likely to blow it away." Just a reminder...when it comes to air pollution, there is no "away". It all stays here on planet earth, in the air we breathe all over the world. Just saying.

    1. Re:There is no "Away" by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

      Particles do settle to the ground, get absorbed by the vegetation or ends up in our water. The issue is the same regardless. Airborne particles toxic or not are toxic when present in large enough volumes. There's two kids that died in Canada no long ago from exposure to dust from a type of grain. Just tells you how fragile the repertory system can be.

  15. LOL! by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    Almost ALL of this is caused by coal burning, both in large electrical generation stations, and locally by individuals cooking and heating.

    China is at least building at an accelerated rate the largest number of nuclear reactors, and some of the most advanced ones at that, in a direct response, however it does take time. They are doing something about the situation, only they are a bit hogtied in the here in now.

    How many nuclear reactors are being built or are planning to be built in the US? How quickly is the US realistically trying to get away from coal plants? I say realistically as a premeditated strike against the eventual posts that wind and solar will solve everything. The US corporations seem to have gone with natural gas as an alternative, with fracking, which has its own issues, but smog and clean air isn't really among them...

  16. Re:We need to lose about 80% of the population, st by tinkerton · · Score: 2

    There are cooling climate effects of aerosols(so pollution can have a cooling effect), but the main point worth making here is that there is an important distinction between pollution from coal and climate warming that people constantly overlook. China uses a lot of coal this produces a lot of carbon dioxide as well as a lot of pollution. They can fix the pollution (or alleviate it a lot) while still keeping using coal.

    China has invested a huge amount in coal based power plants in the last 15 years, and they're going to keep using those new plants. By concentrating the use of coal into modern powerplants and eliminating it everywhere else they may well succeed in having much cleaner air. Coal powerplants can be made much cleaner, though at significant cost, with big installations that wash the pollution out of the air and into the river. The aim is to get the pollution in the air down to tolerable levels.

    The challenge will be even higher for India as their economy grows because the quality of their coal is much much worse.