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Japan Defends Scientific Value of New Plan To Kill 333 Minke Whales (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes with news that Japan plans on killing 333 minke whales this year as part of their whale research program in the Antarctic Ocean. "We did our best to try to meet the criteria established by the ICJ and we have decided to implement our research plan because we are confident we have completed our scientific homework," Joji Morishita, the nation's representative to the International Whaling Commission said. Science reports: "Japan has resumed its controversial lethal research whaling because it wants to determine how many minke whales can be harvested sustainably while studying the environment, Joji Morishita, the nation's representative to the International Whaling Commission (IWC), told a press conference today. 'We'd like to find out how the marine ecosystem of the Antarctic Ocean is actually shifting or changing and not just look at whales but [also at] krill and the oceanographic situation,' Morishita said.

Japan's whaling fleet last week departed for the southern seas for the first time since the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered the nation to halt its research whaling in March 2014. The court ruled that Japan's JARPA II program, which sought to take some 850 minke whales, 50 fin whales, and 50 humpback whales, was not for the purposes of scientific research as stipulated in the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling. The convention allows countries to kill whales for research."

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  1. Destination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would any of these whales killed for "scientific" purposes happen to end up on the dinner plates of Japanese restaurant-goers?

    1. Re: Destination by Etherwalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one owns the oceans. It's ridiculous to say the oceans belong a country. This whole proposition is pointless.

      And yet nations regulate human activity, even on the oceans, and together can make treaties and courts.

      Japan is violating International Law while pretending to follow it. In effect, they are going back on their word, betraying their commitment, undermining the legitimacy of every international agreement they make.

    2. Re: Destination by Etherwalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean they try to.

      Don't be pedantic.

      Other stuff

      It would seem that they violating, specifically, the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling. Which they agreed to follow.

      We could talk about how, but I'm sure the ICJ opinion is so long and explains it in such boring and long-winded detail that you would be better advised to spend your time doing anything else.

    3. Re:Destination by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is an illegal commercial hunt and the courts have determined it as such. Pretending there is any actual science here is nothing more than a well destroyed lie at this point

      Well, sure. But in my opinion, the real reason that the Japanese keep killing whales has little to do with either science or commerce. They do it for the same reason that the U.S. still uses inches and pounds, instead of the metric system. One, they've always done it that way, and two, every other country in the world is loudly and repeatedly calling them idiotic assholes for it, in the most obnoxious manner imaginable.

      So, as human nature dictates, they double down on it. Because: USA! USA! US--I mean, Nip-pon! Nip-pon! Nip-pon!

  2. Re:Really? by LMariachi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only it were a joke.

    > "Japan has resumed its controversial lethal research whaling because it wants to determine how many minke whales can be harvested sustainably”

    Japan’s rep is pretty much paraphrasing Pratchett’s line right there.

  3. Re:The results? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fail. There is no 'v' in Japanese. Had you written 'belly' or 'welly' it would have been semi-accurate. Regardless, fuck you.

  4. Re:Endangered species by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ** The whole concept that it's okay for Alaskans to whale because it's "traditional" but it's not okay for Icelanders just stinks of racism - that because the Inuit and Yupik are american indian peoples then their culture and history matters, but Icelanders are just white devils, so who gives a rat's arse that Icelanders have been eating whale for over a thousand years on the island, and their ancestors in Scandinavia for thousands of years before that? Who cares that it was such an important part of Icelandic life that it's even part of the language, such as hvalreki - literally "beached whale", but also used as "godsend", because finding a beached whale used to be the difference between life and death for entire towns? Meh, Icelanders are just evil white people so their cultures don't count. Icelanders, Norwegians, Russians, Faroese, Japanese... all get put into the "modern peoples" category, but Alaskans are just "natives preserving their culture" - you know, those primitives who live in modern houses, ride around on snowmobiles and fly from town to town by bushplane. It's okay if they do it, their culture and history actually matters!

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  5. Re:Bigger picture of opposing whaling per se by alexgieg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they don't want to eat whales or use their skins - that's fine - but they don't have the right to ram down their viewpoints down everyone else's throats, particularly other countries. It reminds me of abortion - if you don't like it, then don't have one but leave other people alone.

    Precisely. And the same should be applied to laws against animal torture. If you don't like to slowly rip the flesh out from living kittens, then smashing their toes with hammers, and finally setting their bloodied bodies in fire, then just don't do it. As for those who enjoy hearing the screams of tortured dying kittens, let them. /sarcasm

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  6. Re:There should not be any **DOUBLE STANDARD** by jimtheowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "This has nothing to do with one wrong / many worngs"

    This has everything to do with it and how you put forward your argument defending Japan in this "scientific research" hypocrisy scheme. I am not condoning any country breaking international law, and in the case of Japan, every indication is that they are getting away with it as well, so no "DOUBLE STANDARD" here.

    "Just because the Japs ain't 'whites' ..."

    No one is mentioning skin color except you so that should tell you something.