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What If Someone Uses This DIY CRISPR Kit To Make Mutant Bacteria? (vice.com)

Josiah Zayner, a research fellow at NASA Ames Research Center, is running an Indiegogo campaign to make DIY gene editing kits that use the CRISPR technique to modify DNA. The campaign has already exceeded its goal, and he points out an article at Motherboard noting the controversy surrounding cheap, DIY genetic modification. Quoting:The kits won't going to allow people to genetically modify humans, but Zayner is still getting some heat for the project. One medical doctor emailed him with "grave concerns" about putting the technology in the hands of lay people. "Reprogramming bacteria or fungi could have serious ramifications, such as inadvertent or intended multi-drug resistance, faster multiplication, toxin production, and persisting potency when aerosolized," the doctor wrote. ... There is no legal framework surrounding this at-home work, unless it results in a product to be distributed, said Todd Kuiken, a senior program associate with the Synthetic Biology Project at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "Who actually uses kits like these and what they are using them for will determine if any of these products they make would be regulated or not," he said.

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  1. Goddamnit... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought the Andromeda Strain wasn't a documentary.

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  2. Sign Me Up by lazarus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm planning to use my kit to prolong my life... Oh wait. No. I could use it to FINALLY BE ABLE TO DIE!

    In 1272 I hung myself in a barn. It was 1348 before the damn barn fell down and I was able to walk away. Do you know what it is like to hang in a barn for 70+ years? Not fun. I'm ready for all this new-fangled gene editing technology!

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    1. Re:Sign Me Up by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      The scary thing is there are 2878 Slashdot members older than you.

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    2. Re:Sign Me Up by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hanged. You hanged yourself in a barn in 1272.

    3. Re:Sign Me Up by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, they signed up before he could get out of the barn.

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    4. Re:Sign Me Up by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      The first ten million years were the worst, and the second ten million years, they were the worst too. The third ten million years I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline. - Marvin

    5. Re:Sign Me Up by Xyrus · · Score: 2

      Well, they signed up before he could get out of the barn.

      And even though he was well hung, it's incredibly difficult to operate a keyboard to sign up for an account with just your member. And those wooden clacker keyboards...one word: splinters.

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  3. Mutant bacteria? by p0p0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't all you need for mutant bacteria are mild germophobia and too much hand sanitizer?

  4. Re: doesn't even necessariy require much skill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unlike a million trillion trillion bacteria mutating constantly?

  5. Questions? by josiah.zayner · · Score: 2

    Though I don't know much about people being hanged in barns in 1272 or Chipotle, I could perhaps answer other questions about the kit

    1. Re:Questions? by josiah.zayner · · Score: 4, Informative

      PS. I am the NASA Scientist.Creator of the kits.

    2. Re: Questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am a Syn Bio researcher. Your DIY kit looks like fun, and kudos for developing it for young students.

      When you take flak from know-nothings, just tell them that it was all already available through Addgene (non-profit) and Life Tech (for-profit). Anyone could have purchased those plasmids and kits ... For expression in humans as well. On second thought, maybe you shouldn't tell them as they will simply flip out ;)

  6. Brave New World by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

    First, I don't believe anything I read at Indiegogo.

    Second, if this is on the up-and-up... Cat's out of the bag, I guess. If this guy can do it so can any number of other guys, including your favorite bad guys. Quit talking about how to prevent it and start talking about how to cope with it.

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  7. And whatcha gonna do about it? by guruevi · · Score: 2

    Anyone with interest is already building or can build something like it. Putting it on Kickstarter only gives those that want to trade time for money access to the same kit they could've gotten otherwise.

    Are you yelling at people selling beakers and bunsenburners?

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  8. Non-Problem by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people were going to weaponize bacteria, they wouldn't have needed to wait until an Indiegogo campaign made a DIY kit.

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    1. Re:Non-Problem by Idou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think you realize how new and upcoming CRISPR is. . . before we just had a million monkeys. . . now we are about to give those monkeys typewriters. . .

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  9. Way Over-Hyped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ferret research that was redacted a few years back was scarier in all honesty. CRISPR is a powerful tool but synbio isn't easy - even when you know enough to do things it is typically because you have seen and have access to other things you copy from. CRISPR is just a much more reliable copy/paste function (whereas before you might have done the equivalent of copying a block of text and pasting it only to have ever Nth letter randomly swapped for another one, with a value of N very very low.) If someone wanted to make a powerful biological agent it would be far easier to house a bunch of animals in crappy conditions until something vile came from it than it would be to genetically engineer something new. Even if you did create a completely new organism comprised of genetic components of the most horrible things known to man it likely wouldn't do anything - bugs have been evolving alongside animals for a very long time and are every bit as precisely adapted to infecting things as animals are to resisting them. The notion of hacking together something dangerous from scratch or even via biological plagiarism enhanced via CRISPR is absurd. The more advanced synbio people take ridiculously long amounts of time to do things like make glowing yogurt and that is only a single very simple and straightforward copy/paste operation.

  10. Re:Potential dangers are vastly overblown by josiah.zayner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know about much more difficult. Normally, for bacteria, people use lambda red recombination strategies which are much much more difficult than CRISPR. The main benefit of CRISPR is it's easy of use. All that you need is to clone in a new gRNA and template.donor DNA in a plasmid and you are good to go. I agree that no genome engineering tool is going to destroy the world.

  11. Re: doesn't even necessariy require much skill by drunk_punk · · Score: 2

    Bullshit. You know how many kids got easy bake ovens?? Chocolate muffin my ass.

  12. Re:You know what they say... by Sperbels · · Score: 2

    If you're comparing this to the gun ban debate, I'd just like to point out that a single person with a gun can't wipe out millions of people accidentally or intentionally. These are even close to analogues.

  13. Million experiments by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A million monkeys poking at a million CRISPR kits could have some interesting results.

    Funny like 999'999 dead bacteria colonies,
    And 1 bacteria colony which produces a funny color fluorescent protein ?
    (That monkey got lucky, managed not to screw anything, and started not too ambitious and beyond his own capabilities).

    Hint:
    - producing functionality in DNA (as opposed just random garbage DNA sequences) requires skills and expertise
    - those who have the above skills and expertise already have access to the necessary facilities anyway.

    This kit won't suddenly enable a mad scientist to create their zombie plague.
    It's not targeted at mad scientist. (The mad scientist has all they need in the lab)

    It could be better targeted at high-school students and enthousiats: It would be better suited to help a nice science fair project (glow in the dark bacteria colonies).

    Complaining that a DIY CRISPR Kit will bring a bio-hasard end of the world, is like complaining that cheap Arduinos and Raspberry Pis put into the wrong hands could bring a singularity level evil AI.

    And like the other anonymous has mentionned:
    bacteria do mutate a hell lot in the wild anyway.
    They are way much more likely to acquire antibiotics resistance by swaping genes around and mutating/evolving in a antibiotics rich environment, than by the result of some under-qualified enthusiast poking around.

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  14. Re:Potential dangers are vastly overblown by Rutulian · · Score: 2

    Personally, I think recombineering is much easier than CRISPR. Transform in RED plasmid, induce, transform in targeting fragments, done. Whereas with CRISPR, identify protospacer with appropriate PAM sequence, synthesize this and subclone into a plasmid, design editing template, synthesize this and clone into a plasmid, transform with cas9 and plasmids, pick colonies, sequence to confirm mutations. For some things CRISPR is nice, but when other methods like recombineering are available, those are usually easier. The main appeal of CRISPR is in eukaryotic systems where other tools are not available.

  15. Not that new by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's been around for about a decade.

    Probably a non-issue for the foreseeable future in any case. Even the people who *really* know what they are doing have a hard time getting the modifications to propagate, much less do anything at all.

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    1. Re:Not that new by Idou · · Score: 2
      So what? LEDs have been around for over a century. People usually measure the "arrival" (aka "newness") of a technology when it starts having the biggest impact to society as a whole. Under that definition, both LEDs and CRISPR are very, very new, and we are only just starting to see their impacts.

      Even the people who *really* know what they are doing . . .

      I guess the "million monkeys with typewriters" was completely lost on you. . . The point is that not only do we have to worry about natural mutations causing a pandemic strain, but now we will have a new type of "script kiddie" form of mutation class. Just like natural mutations, most will be harmless, but all it takes is one harmful strain that has been played with in a completely unexpected way to wreck havoc.

      To give you some perspective, the economics are such that I still go to the doctor today with some illness and they give me antibiotics no matter what because it is too costly to diagnose whether I have a viral or bacterial infection (let alone, diagnose what actual strain I am infected with). So in THIS level of medical sophistication, you think allowing a bunch of genetic script kiddies start releasing a bunch of script kiddied strains into the wild is close to 0 risk? If so, you should be indifferent to being my guinea pig, right?

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  16. Re:You know what they say... by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    Maybe there is a RNA cure for Layers?