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Mozilla Will Stop Developing and Selling Firefox OS Smartphones (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla announced today at its developer event in Orlando that the company is ending its smartphone experiment. Mozilla will stop developing and selling Firefox OS smartphones. Ari Jaaksi, Mozilla's SVP of Connected Devices, said, "We are proud of the benefits Firefox OS added to the Web platform and will continue to experiment with the user experience across connected devices." However, he added that it didn't end up providing a great user experience, so they decided to move their efforts elsewhere within the "connected devices" ecosystem. The TechCrunch article notes, "Mozilla has been on a streamlining track lately. Last week it announced that it would be looking for alternative homes for its Thunderbird email and chat client. The aim is for the company to focus more on its strongest and core products and reputation."

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  1. TIL Mozilla developed and sold Firefox OS phones by technomom · · Score: 2

    Who knew?

    I guess not enough of us....

  2. Pretty much everyone saw this coming .... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty much everyone saw this coming ....and nothing of value was lost, except the money spent on the salaries of the people in charge promoting this stupidity, instead of investing in their core product. History will continue to repeat itself until the money runs out.

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    1. Re:Pretty much everyone saw this coming .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pretty much everyone saw this coming ....and nothing of value was lost, except the money spent on the salaries of the people in charge promoting this stupidity, instead of investing in their core product. History will continue to repeat itself until the money runs out.

      The huge sums of money were the problem. Once they put suit-tards in charge, the fail train started rolling downhill.

    2. Re:Pretty much everyone saw this coming .... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh wow, you're like really smart and clairvoyant too.

      No need for clairvoyance
      Or a crystal ball (or two)
      Firefox OS jumped the shark
      Simply failed to make a mark
      It's an outdated bag of poo!

      Burma Shave

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  3. Ridiculous Endeavors by vix86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About a week ago, me and my friend had actually been discussing all the stupid business decisions that Mozilla has been making. Their OS and the Firefox Phone were two big ones that came to mind that just didn't make any sense to either of us. The money they have received, they've squandered on pointless pursuits into industries they stood no chance at making a dent in.

    Seriously, what was the logic behind trying to get into the phone market in the first place? Other companies have tried just as well (Amazon, Microsoft) with little to no success. The thing that bugged us was the fact that they must have spent millions trying to do this which could have been more smartly invested to ensure that they didn't run out of money to support and improve the current products they know are/were liked (Thunderbird and Firefox). Now as result, we are left with them trying to find money streams to support Firefox, and most of this comes from pushing unwanted software and advertisement into Firefox.

    1. Re:Ridiculous Endeavors by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're forgetting the FirefoxOS Panasonic Smart TV that was announced earlier this year that's going to leave Panasonic with egg on the face.

      My theory is that Mozilla and Canonical were trying to copy each others tactics because they saw the media buzz that was being generated when one of them made an announcement. Phones, Tablets, and TVs were the "canonical" (pun intended) examples.

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    2. Re:Ridiculous Endeavors by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      Sad they are going to cut off Thunderbird, especially since they're only putting in enough effort to keep it on life support.
      However, if some other entity picked up Thunderbird and breathed new life into it that could be an exciting venture.
      On the other hand, from what I gather of the Thunderbird codebase, it is an antiquated beast with a lot of technical debt. Open source developers may be better of putting their effort elsewhere.

      I hope Libra Office or Apache takes it under its wings
      Libra Office makes since as it fits well with it office suite and fills a gap in its product offerings, as well as some shared code already.
      Apache has OpenOffice and it would fit their the same as it would fit with Libra Office.

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    3. Re:Ridiculous Endeavors by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      It's LibreOffice, not "Libra Office".

      "Libre" is the Latin/Romance-language word for free (as in liberty). You would know this if you knew any French or Spanish, as most kids learn in high school at the least. "Libra" is a Zodiac sign. And it's one word: "LibreOffice". I don't care if you're one of those curmudgeons who doesn't like CamelCase, you can at least get the name right. You got "OpenOffice" right after all.

  4. What's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have this nagging feeling that Mozilla is about to do something monumentally stupid to Firefox. An un-skippable 5 second splash screen? Removal of the Back button? Permanent removal of the Menu Bar? Auto-hiding scroll bars? Remove the ability to use Firefox without logging in to a Firefox account? Disable your mouse's scroll wheel in favor of Auto-scrolling? Forced telemetry?

    If there is one thing that they have shown us is that there is nothing that they wont do.

    1. Re:What's next? by sunderland56 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have this nagging feeling that Mozilla is about to do something monumentally stupid to Firefox. An un-skippable 5 second splash screen? Removal of the Back button? Permanent removal of the Menu Bar? Auto-hiding scroll bars? Remove the ability to use Firefox without logging in to a Firefox account? Disable your mouse's scroll wheel in favor of Auto-scrolling? Forced telemetry?

      If you're going to move up to the big league, and compete with the likes of Microsoft, you need to prove that you can make corporate decisions just like Microsoft.

      If there is one thing that they have shown us is that there is nothing that they wont do.

      Yeah, maybe next release they will *only* support the left mouse button, and ignore anything else. Nah, I'm being cynical here - no major corporation would ever do anything as stupid as only supporting one mouse button.

  5. Um, what did they offer? by Burz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The way I see it, there is plenty of room to improve security on mobile devices. Maybe there are some other goals that could be incorporated in "new and innovative" products as well, but security is the big one for me. Mozilla seems like all the rest in its mobile offering: Look, a slightly new UI! But security as a top-tier feature with the kind of focus that could cause a paradigm shift? Forget it.

    There's no reason for me to adopt FF OS, with few users and available apps, then suffer some ignominious revelation that I paid for yet another swiss cheese device that any sane person should be afraid to use.

    I think the only unique angle they had with FF OS was that the "platform" was simply web server meets browser. IOW, more mainframe-oriented than even iOS and Android. No, thanks; I'm not looking for a fancy terminal.

  6. Re:Yay! Get out your pitchforks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm really eager to see how Slashdot spins this into the next episode of "Mozilla isn't listening to us, and they're ruining everything." This is one of the most entertaining over-the-top comedies I've seen to date.

    Well, Mozilla is starting to undo the things that people were complaining about. So, the people at Slashdot were correct.

  7. Burnt by early adoption, again. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    (I have a Nokia 770 in a storage box)

    My Mozilla Flame has been my daily phone for nearly 18 months. The initial builds (v1.3) weren't great for usability but things got pretty stable around the 2.1 release. I use the phone as a phone, with a killer web browser, so 'apps' weren't an issue. But the writing has been on the wall for a while, with feature implementation slowing to a crawl over the past few months on the nightly builds.

    IoT with a javascript API derived from Firefox OS has already been done in the form of JanOS.io thus a couple of hackers are ahead of the curve...

    I have no desire to go back to Android and an iPhone is out of my price range, so I guess I'll cross over to the dark side and get a cheap Lumia when the current handset dies. :(

    1. Re: Burnt by early adoption, again. by iampiti · · Score: 2

      May I ask why do you dislike Android? And what makes Windows Phone better for you? Thanks

    2. Re: Burnt by early adoption, again. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A variety of reasons.

      The latest Nexus phones by Huawei and LG have priced themselves out of the market, for those of us not willing to spend $500+ on bling. Particularly brutal with the current $AU exchange rate. I'd consider buying a 2nd hand Nexus 4 if only it had a user-replaceable battery to extend its life by another couple of years but no.

      So then you're in the land of vendor crapware, Chinese spyware (if purchased online) or carrier bloatware. So the solution then is flashing your device with an unofficial cyanogenmod port if it's not one of their 'blessed' models that still receives updates. That is if your handset vendor doesn't boobytrap its bootloader (Moto) or if your arch is still supported (armv6). Which all things being equal, you might find most things work smoothly except the video record feature is borked.

      That's been my experience, anyway... Oh and I can't stand Chrome the mobile web browser, so I'd just be installing Firefox anyway, which was the motivation for running Mozilla's own OS...

      Maybe things have changed in Android land but twice bitten thrice shy.

      Windows Phone is a great unknown but I think Continuum is worth exploring since I have a spare LCD monitor, keyboard and mouse and for much casual computing use (e.g. my university studies in humanities), all I need is a web browser and MS Office. (And yes i have several x86 machines on the desk here booting Windows and Linux for specialist tasks, so it's not like I don't appreciate 'real' software)

    3. Re: Burnt by early adoption, again. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Have you looked at BLU phones? they have both Windows and Android and I just love my Android phone I got from BLU, good camera, 1GB of RAM, 8GB of storage with MicroSD slot, nice clear screen, quad core,no extra carrier crap and the phone with a protective cover and screen protector cost just $109 USD. Its probably as close as you'll get to running stock Android without buying a Cyanogen phone and despite my being pretty rough on phones? It just keeps on chugging.

      So I don't know how AU prices would be but I do know they sell worldwide and have phones going from $50 USD to $300+ USD so they should have something in your price range no matter what...oh yeah and dual SIMs so it'll work just about anywhere, nice.

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  8. Re:Shame ... but not surprised by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    Android today is bloated as hell and requires over 1 gig of ram.

    Android describes many things:

    1. The ROM. It is usually used to ship bloatware with the phone. Once you get a free rom like CyanogenMod (which is not the same as Cyanogen OS), you have no bloatware anymore. Just get a popular enough phone that is supported well by such a ROM provider.

    2. The google apps (gapps). These are the sole place google has any real influence over, because they are the only closed source non-vendor-specific component. Amazon has I think the most full set of replacement apps. There are also even libre alternatives, like F-droid.

    3. The actual AOSP project. It is led by google. They try to do some influence over it as well, like for example by making the build system extra ugly (and putting the informative docs into internal wikis instead of the trimmed down public wiki), so that you have to download their binaries, and have to agree to the license to not fragment Android. But mostly, these things can't really stop any competitors, as the source is openly licensed. Google knows this, therefore their trend to abandon apps from AOSP and to put them into the gapps package instead.

    One of the advantages of AOSP being open source is that the app format isn't something proprietary, but can be used by competition as well. Yes, currently the only major player is google, but in a few years it can be some other company, too.

    Google is not the microsoft of the phone world. Yes, their system is the most successful one, but they don't do EEE, because most of their formats are open, most prominently their base OS, and those which aren't are forced to be closed by competitors (think for example of the xmpp abandoning which was caused by skype). Yes, most apps won't work without google apps, but porting an app from using google apps to some alternative is much easier than eg porting a game from directx to opengl, or porting a windows desktop application to use X11.

  9. Re:Mozilla are LUDDITES. by epyT-R · · Score: 2

    apperating system. I'll have to remember that one.

  10. The stats show it isn't spin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In August of 2013, Firefox had a market share of over 16%.

    Today, Firefox has a market share of about 7%.

    That tells us everything we need to know.

    Two things have happened:

    1. They've driven away a lot of their existing users with shitty UI changes, and a lack of progress when it comes to fixing Firefox's slow performance.

    2. They haven't attracted any new users.

    Together, they have resulted in Firefox's market share being cut down to less than half of what it is, in just over two years!

    In other companies, this would be considered a huge disaster.

    1. Re:The stats show it isn't spin. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Informative

      What happens is Windows software and antiviruses are bundled with Chrome, and most people end up with it installed. That and 80% smartphone users use a Google browser, though often just called "Internet" or "Browser".

  11. Re:TIL Mozilla developed and sold Firefox OS phone by narcc · · Score: 2

    The problem was getting one. They were only released in small emerging markets. Even their developer phone sold out before a lot of interested users knew it existed. The easiest one to get was the ZTE Open, an incredibly low-end phone with virtually non-existent support from ZTE. (you were stuck with v1.0 for a while. We got a 1.1 release, with impressive performance improvements, and a buggy 1.2 release long after those were outdated. Savvy users have 2.0 unofficially now, though that is also now outdated, with 2.5 being a rather dramatic update.) The Fx0 is the next viable option, as it was very recently discovered for a good price on Amazon. It sold so many so quickly that the vendor raised the price, all despite the locked bootloader making it less attractive as a dev unit.

    Why they never released it a budget phone in established markets is beyond me. Or why they didn't produce enough dev units to meet the demand of interested developers. Unbelievably, they even gave some of those away to developers as an incentive, while shorting the clamoring hoards who wanted to buy the thing!

    There was some talk about selling smart feature-phones running FxOS in the US next year. I guess we'll see if those partners strike out on their own or not.