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Microsoft Open Sources and Forks Windows Live Writer Into Open Live Writer

SmartAboutThings writes: Windows Live Writer is a blogging tool that Microsoft originally released back in 2006, and it still remains popular today, which has prompted Microsoft to promise that it will make it open source earlier this year. Now the company has officially open-sourced and forked Windows Live Writer into Open Live Writer, having put its repositories on GitHub already.

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  1. Comic Chat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm waiting for them to open source Comic Chat.

    1. Re:Comic Chat by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Microsoft Bob please.

    2. Re:Comic Chat by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Microsoft Bob please.

      You beat me to it, but I was paralyzed trying to choose between Bob and Clippy.

    3. Re:Comic Chat by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I forgot about that.

      I actually thought it was cool back in 1998.

    4. Re:Comic Chat by dejitaru · · Score: 1

      No! That could cause a resurgence of comic sans!

    5. Re:Comic Chat by tepples · · Score: 1

      It could, but it could also cause a resurgence of better casual typefaces, such as Comic Neue, JollyGood Sans, or Filmotype Apache/August/Beaver (digitized as Jester, Cochise, URW Apache, and Panache Stanley/Sixpack).

    6. Re:Comic Chat by davester666 · · Score: 1

      We must merge them...you will fear Clob.

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  2. as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by nimbius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Open Live Writer is an open source application enabling users to author, edit, and publish blog posts.

    which would mean something if the world hadn't been using wordpress for 12 years. Microsoft had the opportunity to open source things like IIS, frontpage, and a wealth of other web-centric tools and technologies to compete with Apache and Nginx. But instead they paid off hosting providers to put parked websites on IIS to goose their numbers in Netcraft. open-sourcing an editor is boggling, unless for some reason that editor happened to use already open-source code.

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    1. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      I actually use Windows Live Writer. It's a nice interface to write in, attach photos to a blog post, set categories, and upload the whole thing while scheduling when it will go live. I began using it years ago when WordPress' built-in editor was horrible. WordPress has improved since then, but I still like WLW. Recently, I had begun to worry that WLW was going to be tossed aside and not developed anymore. Open sourcing it gives me hope that people can continue to improve the product and keep it as a viable, locally installed alternative editor to WordPress' built-in editor.

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    2. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by malditaenvidia · · Score: 2

      I think what's interesting about this note is that Microsoft has been open sourcing software lately for some reason, even if it's innocuous stuff like visual studio code. It makes you wonder what they're up to.

    3. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by dam9779 · · Score: 2

      I too use it to post across various WP sites and it's great. Not sure what new features could be brought in, but it's good to see it being released into the OS ecosystem. I hope a few dedicated developers improve it, maybe connect it to cloud storage or allow some cool integration with social media.

    4. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Local editor with upload-to-web buttons != Monolithic trojan that occasionally displays blog pages.

      Just dumped it out there with an MIT license of all things and said have at it. I gotta respect that.

    5. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by DrStrangluv · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you work with multiple blogs on several servers, WLW allowed you to do all your writing/editing from one place.

    6. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      Wordpress is a security NIGHTMARE.

      Worse the people who make them use insecure extensions that need to be patched regularly but do not patch them EVER. They put something up in 2009 and expect never to touch it again.

      It is a poor system in general.

    7. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by ripvlan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah - as several other folks have posted - WLW was pretty good. It was simple and had only the necessary bells-whistles. Followed the KISS principle - I couldn't believe MS created it. The only thing to come out of the "Windows Live" era that was any good.

      I liked it because I did most of my writing offline (disconnected) - plus it produced "real" HTML without lots of frames-in-frames.

      As for MS open sourcing it - why not? The new sheriff has committed MS to Open Source - so rather than kill off something that many liked - just upload it on SourceFor^H^H^H^H....github and enjoy the independent life.

    8. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are releasing this stuff OpenSource, because the ecosystem is filled with similar tools that work just as well, and Microsoft needs to be relevant. Would you use these tools if they weren't free or open source? Of course not. It is out of necessity.

      Microsoft is becoming less relevant each passing day. With Chromebooks, iPads, Android, iOS and whatever else is "next", there are more viable choices now than ever before.

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    9. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Troll. Despite Wordpress, Live Writer is still popular. The world doesn't (thankfully) revolve around you.

    10. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is becoming less relevant each passing day. With Chromebooks, iPads, Android, iOS and whatever else is "next", there are more viable choices now than ever before.

      If Microsoft products are becoming less relevant, and desktop GNU/Linux still hasn't taken off in anglophone countries, then what's becoming more relevant among people who maintain web sites or develop web or native applications? Replacing your PC with a Mac?

    11. Re: as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. This is the direction we are going and it sucks. Let's social mediatize everything, and make sure it has cloud support because teh internet is worthless without teh cloudz.

    12. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One new needed feature is OAuth 2.0 support, since Blogger has switched to it, but so far has not cut off legacy support for logging in. Supposedly, Google has been attempting to get MS to OS this abandon project, so development can restart on it.

    13. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by SQLGuru · · Score: 2

      Actually, VS Code is a nice editor.....I've opted to install it instead of several others on my new work PC. I still think that Microsoft's tools are some of the most developer friendly and Visual Studio is the best IDE. But for projects that aren't based on that tech, VS Code is pretty good.

    14. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey idiot. A casual perusal of the feature list will show you that Windows Live Writer supports:

      currently compatible with Windows Live Spaces, SharePoint blogs, Blogger, LiveJournal, TypePad, WordPress, Telligent Community, PBlogs.gr, JournalHome, the MetaWeblog API, the Movable Type API, Blogengine, Squarespace, and all blogs that support Really Simple Discovery.

      Given that it works with Wordpress, and allows you to write posts offline, and publish to ANY of those blogging services, it's a good fucking bet that a fair number of people USING WORDPRESS are also USING WINDOWS LIVE WRITER.

      For fuck's sake, I get it - here at Slashdot we have an obligatory 15 minutes hate on Microsoft, every 30 minutes. But at least get angry and cranky about something that's FUCKING MEANINGFUL.

    15. Re:as usual, a day late and a dollar short. by praxis · · Score: 1

      It's a nice IDE, but the editor is pretty mediocre compared with vi, Emacs, Sublime Text, and others. The Visual Studio extension ecosystem is just not that mature.

  3. "it will make it open source earlier this year"? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 0

    So, Microsoft has timeline-editing software to let them insert actions into their own chronological past? Cool!

    Perhaps Microsoft promised earlier this year that it will make WLW open-source, and is now doing so? Or perhaps they promised that they would make it open-source earlier this year, but are only now doing so?

  4. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I actually mod AC posts appropriately (up or down) at times. I even skipped modding on this article just to respond. I know there are many who won't bother with AC posts, but I'm saying that *I* will mod them. And FYI, were I to have modded your post, I would have modded it as Off-topic because this article is related to Live Writer and your comment wasn't related and wasn't in response to a discussion thread.

    But if there is relevant content in an AC post, I have no problem boosting it's score --- sometimes even moreso because it's AC. If there is good stuff there, I know that AC posts will automatically be dinged at least one point just for being AC.

  5. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by jimtheowl · · Score: 3

    Perhaps you care too much for something that doesn't really matter.

    I got a Troll +1 once (vs Troll -1) and don't even know if that's good or bad.

    Troll +5 would be funnier though.

  6. Re:"it will make it open source earlier this year" by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    Your suggestion is for something that would make the text easier to read. Not all /. readers are native speakers and we have a hard time trying to make sense of badly constructed sentences. Thank you.

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  7. To answer your question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Today: Most Anyone Today any regular Slashdot reader is probably eligible to become a moderator. A variety of factors weigh into it, but if you are logged in when you browse Slashdot comments, you might occasionally be granted moderator access. Don't worry about it- Just keep reading this document and learn what to do about it! Who It's probably the most difficult part of the process: Who is allowed to moderate. On one hand, many people say "Everyone", but I've chosen to avoid that path because the potential for abuse is so great. Instead, I've set up a few simple rules for determining who is eligible to moderate. Logged In User If the system can't keep track, it won't work, so you gotta log in. Sorry if you're paranoid, but this system demands a certain level of accountability. Regular Slashdot Readers The scripts track average accesses from each logged in user. It then selects eligible users who read an average number of times. The homepage doesn't count either. It then picks users from the middle of the pack- no obsessive compulsive reloaders, and nobody who just happened to read an article this week. Long Time Readers The system throws out the newest few thousand accounts. This prevents people from creating new accounts to simply get moderator access, but more importantly, means that newbies will have to be part of the community for a few weeks before they gain access to the controls to a system they don't understand. Willing to Serve If you don't want to moderate, just visit your user preferences, and set yourself as 'Unwilling' Positive Contributors Slashdot tracks your "Karma" (see the FAQ). If you have non negative Karma, this means you have posted more good comments than bad, and are eligible to moderate. This weeds out spam accounts. So the end result is a pool of eligible users that represent (hopefully) average, positive slashdot contributors. Occasionally (well, every 30 minutes actually) the system checks the number of comments that have been posted, and gives a proportionate amount of eligible users "Tokens". When any user acquires a certain number of tokens, they become a moderator. This means that you'll need to be eligible for many of these slices in order to actually gain access. It all works to make sure that everyone takes turns, and nobody can abuse the system, and that only "regular" readers become moderators (as opposed to some random newbie ;)"

  8. Can we expect by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    can we expect a linux port?

    1. Re:Can we expect by DrStrangluv · · Score: 2

      There's some Win32/Cpp, but it's mainly .Net, so I'd expect any eventual "port" to come via MS's efforts to bring .Net to linux.

  9. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    There's a ton of AC posts, and most of them never get modded up even if they're of good quality.

    I make a point of modding up AC posts if they are good to compensate for their one point handicap. IMHO, unless you register with your real name, a /. persona is no better than AC.

    I have sometimes modded as AC to given an inside view of my own industry and would rather my bosses did not identify me, which perhaps they could if they delved deeper into my past posts if I gave my "real" false name. Those AC posts of mine have often contained more insightful and expert information than if I were to comment on, say, an article on meat labelling which I really know FA about but I can rant away with my real false name because I have no connection with the business.

    I've had an account for months that has excellent karma but for some reason doesn't get to metamoderate and has never gotten mod points....... I can't figure out what criteria are used to determine who gets to moderate

    Don't know, but you won't collect karma by posting AC, as now

    ...... Fuck you moderators!

    Thanks, but I only mod. I don't get to choose who else moderates.

  10. Re:"it will make it open source earlier this year" by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    I give MS kudos. IBM was the jerk before they lost their monopoly.

    Now MS is being all nice. VS code is open sourced. .NET is open sourced. I believe they opened up another project recently too a week or two ago.

  11. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to compare writing patterns, spelling mistakes and tone between ACs. You, for example, seem quite similar to the cow obsessed AC, maybe even the same person. The last few sentences are a bit of a give-away. I bet if someone wrote an app to scan AC comments and correlate them we would see some interesting patterns.

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  12. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    I have excellent Karma. I once did an experiment on Karma by deliberately being aggressive / asshole / crabby posts. I didn't change what I said, I just changed how I said it. I drove my Karma all the way down to Bad. Took me a couple days to do it. However repairing my Karma took months of hard and steady work. And as you can see, it is still pretty decent.

    You can post controversial views on Slashdot, but you have to use lots of sugar to make the medicine go down.

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  13. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    "I got a Troll +1 once (vs Troll -1) and don't even know if that's good or bad. "

    That happens when you get modded up and down, but the last mod is a -1 Troll. If you were at +2 Underrated - if I'm not mistaken - a subsequent -1 Troll mod will show you at +1 rather than +2, but a Troll, ergo +1 Troll displays. There is no actual +1 Troll mod of course.

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  14. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    "I make a point of modding up AC posts if they are good to compensate for their one point handicap."

    I used to view modding ACs as a waste of Karma since they can't collect on it or take the hit, but I have since come to leave the absurd AC posts alone and mod up the good ones, since I know others will handle the down mods and it actually says to concentrate on promotion rather than demotion in the guideline IIRC. I think the AC system should require a logged in user who checks "Post Anonymously" and the system should penalize those who post as an AC excessively as most people don't use it for what it is intended. They could have another user, guest, but each user who has a login should have a "Don't show me Guests Posts" option. The number of people who use AC to troll is far, far disproportionate to those who are posting something that could get them in trouble if it was traced back to them.

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  15. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    That says a lot about your post quality actually. I'm pretty regularly aggressive / asshole / crabby as the trolls just bring it out of me, but my Karma stays regularly almost pegged at "Excellent", going down a few and up a few, but always getting more +1s than -1s on average. There was one time that an active campaign was launched against me and one thread got out of have until my Karma went down to whatever the worst level is for a short time. It took me a while to recover it, and the Slashdot technical geniuses were no help. It was obvious I had been targeted by someone - or a small group - with sockpuppet accounts, but they refused to even investigate.

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  16. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

    Thanks.

    So what you're saying is that I might as well forget about ever getting that Troll +5, but there is still a slim chance for Troll +4 ?

  17. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the original AC in this thread. I started reading Slashdot around 1999 or 2000, though I quit reading and posting for awhile around 2005 or 2006. I had an account with a UID below 400000, but I don't remember the password and I haven't a clue which old email address I registered it with. Back then, karma was displayed as a number, capped at -25 on the low side and 50 on the high side. It's still a number in a database, but that number just isn't displayed to the user any longer. It was fun to see that number go up as I got rewarded for making good posts. A lot more people posted in journals and had discussions about other topics there, so there was an opportunity to get to know other users. There also seemed to be a lot more use of the friend/foe system, which again tended to reward making good posts.

    There was probably more trolling, but a much smaller percentage was AC trolling. There were lots of troll accounts that automatically posted at -1, and they were free to post as much as they wanted with those accounts. Slashdot incentivized users to post at -1 because they weren't hit with IP bans like they would for posting crap as ACs that would get modded down. Sure, there were still garbage AC posts, but not as many. When users who post at -1 were limited to two posts per day, Slashdot killed off logged-in trolling at the expense of more garbage being posted as AC.

    I do a lot of AC posting because I don't see a lot of incentives to post logged-in. I tend to post in articles about weather and Earth sciences because that's the field I work in. I don't fully agree with the prevailing views about global warming, though I certainly agree we're causing the Earth to warm up. I'd be labeled a skeptic for questioning the dire predictions. Furthermore, I have reasons for thinking Congress should threaten to defund the National Weather Service. These are unpopular opinions, though based on logic and reason. But if I posted them tied to something that could be traced back to me, it might actually be harmful to my career. I see a lot of value in posting as AC, with nothing really to incentivize me to do something else.

    And no, despite what AmiMoJo thinks, I'm not the dumbass who keeps crapflooding about cows. I thought that was sexconker.

  18. Re:"it will make it open source earlier this year" by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    But apparently at least one reader with mod points thinks this is trolling. Whatever.

    I do try to make allowances for posters and submitters who don't have strong English skills. But as long as submissions are reviewed and edited, I think those editors ought to take enough pride in their work to make sure accepted submissions are coherent.

  19. Global Mother Fucking Spyware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use an app from 2006 to get your company name scraped on search engines next to the words "Open Source"?

    got it.

  20. Re:Moderators are a fucking joke by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    the Slashdot technical geniuses

    You're a funny guy.

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