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Elon Musk, Others Fund $1B Non-Profit To Advance AI Research, Ethics (openai.com)

As reported by The Wall Street Journal, The Verge, and many others (including this widely run Reuters story), a heavily backed non-profit group called OpenAI on Friday introduced itself and its utopian-sounding goals of open sourcing a great deal of AI research and, as The Verge puts it, "to stop AI from ruining the world." Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are two of the backers, along with Y-combinator president Sam Altman and other Silicon Valley luminaries, so the group starts out with a war chest big enough to support a wide range of research -- a billion dollars. According to the Wall Street Journal, The idea for OpenAI crystallized last summer as a result of ongoing discussions between Mr. Musk and Mr. Altman over the future of AI. Mr. Musk has warned in the past that the future of the Earth is at risk if AI develops in the wrong ways. Tesla, one of the companies he leads, is adding autonomous capabilities to its cars that require AI technology such as image recognition. ... OpenAI intends to collaborate with the academic and for-profit worlds, but it also wants to give researchers the freedom to pursue lines of enquiry without pressure to achieve an immediate pay-off. “Our focus is not only doing the right thing for today, but also doing the right thing for 50 years from now,” Mr. Brockman said.

56 comments

  1. Apparently... by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Elon must love terrifying himself with all his talk of AI lately.

    1. Re:Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Elon is a toolshed that goes out of his way to speak on topics to which he has no education. AI is so far away from the Hollywood doomsday picture he's painting that it's absurd to even worry about it.

    2. Re: Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whoever you are, thank you. As a researcher in AI undoing damage from people like Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking is a monumental task. These people are smart in their own right, but know jack shit about AI and should shut the fuck up about it.

    3. Re:Apparently... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Elon has publicly stated that AI is bad, but it appears that AI is not bad if Elon does it?

    4. Re: Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      One random "AI researcher" - whose income depends on the reputation of his research field - would like to shut the mouths of the most brilliant engineer in the world and of a world-class physicist who's very likely to get a Nobel prize in future, neither of whom makes any money out of AI.

      This is the grotesque state of Slashdot's comment section.

    5. Re: Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One random "AI researcher" - whose income depends on the reputation of his research field - would like to shut the mouths of the most brilliant engineer in the world and of a world-class physicist who's very likely to get a Nobel prize in future, neither of whom makes any money out of AI.

      This is the grotesque state of Slashdot's comment section.

      The fact that your obvious, rational post was downvoted (probably by some weirdos working in AI) blatantly confirms the conclusion of the post itself.

    6. Re: Apparently... by khallow · · Score: 1

      . As a researcher in AI undoing damage from people like Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking is a monumental task.

      [...]

      but know jack shit about AI and should shut the fuck up about it.

      It would help if you knew more than jack shit either. None of us know what AI could do. All we have are some incredibly weak thermodynamic constraints.

    7. Re:Apparently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just wondering if they'll also have a fund to defend humanity against rogue Norse gods. It would be money better spent...

  2. MIRI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know whether they'll collaborate with the Machine Intelligence Research Institute https://intelligence.org/ ? It seems their missions are very much aligned...

    1. Re:MIRI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same miri that "lost" $100k?

  3. Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're not anywhere close to a free thinking system. Stop pretending this is real AI.

    1. Re:Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      Then again, good luck proving that you are.

    2. Re: Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self driving cars use AI that makes life or death decisions on behalf of humans. Regardless of whether it's free thinking, it will become commonplace and the ethics between cars will vary. If those ethics ever become easily adjustable by the end user, self driving cars could be very efficient killing machines, only victimizing people while there are no witnesses.

    3. Re:Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, Opencv is not an AI. But you don't need Skynet to destroy earth. A worm like Stuxnet, Flame or Duqu would be enough to start a nuclear war. And they are very basic AIs if you can call a computer virus AI. Anyway AIs are dangerous on every level Musk is right.

    4. Re:Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Logito ergo sum.

      Of course, I could just be a figment of your imagination.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    5. Re:Pattern matching is NOT A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logito ergo sum.

      Of course, I could just be a figment of your imagination.

      Or René Descartes' imagination at the very least.

  4. Peter Thiel is a lunatic by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    I don't know how that guy managed to make his money, luck basically. He's got the good judgement of a pigeon.

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    "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
    1. Re:Peter Thiel is a lunatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money-making is just one of many talents humans can have. Unfortunately, it's the one that leads to greatest reward under capitalism. But don't for a moment think that a person's intelligence, hard work, kindness, ability to help others, or pretty much any other metric correlates with wealth. The only think you need to make money is to convince people to hand over their money, which is ultimately a marketing exercise.

      Carrying on this theme, the first question concerning this consortium ought to be: how do its founding members intend to make money from it? Maybe it's just a way of making sure they get first dibs on AI research that can improve their business' algorithms or help replace human workers. Or just to make sure that AI research does not lead to a leisure society where people only need to do a few hours of work a week.

    2. Re: Peter Thiel is a lunatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe, just maybe they actually believe that it would be a good idea to research ethics as applied to machine intelligence because they believe human life does have value and they would like to teach that to machines before they start auto-driving and killing us...

    3. Re: Peter Thiel is a lunatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I judge them by their actions, and I see just what sort of value human life has to them.

  5. Hold On Tight! by JimSadler · · Score: 4, Informative

    Computers, 3D printing and AI are all super, major developments. Any major development in human history has carried a certain amount of chaos, pain and suffering along with it. AI is going to cause a total shift in the nature of human affairs and existence. But in theory, we have an advantage. We can see it coming and we can buffer the negative consequences if we choose to do so. Obviously human employment will become quite rare in the near future. People without jobs must be well supported by governments. They must have all that is needed to get by plus more so that they can consume products produced by industry. Taxes can only come from people who can afford to pay them and that translates into the wealthy and businesses paying the tax load for the rest of us. I know the knee-jerk reaction that some people will have when i mention this. And just maybe that is the area that we need to spend money on. We need to make people aware that a huge change is upon them and that there is no choice but to eliminate many long-held beliefs in order to have a smoother transition into the new era. Imagine the chaos that went on when we went from the horse to the car. That was nothing compared to what Ai has in store for us.

    1. Re:Hold On Tight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That'll never happen. The more likely scenario is an Orwellian state with a mix of eugenics. Say goodbye middle class, welcome to serfdom.

    2. Re:Hold On Tight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If 3d printing is disruptive it's moving in slow motion.

    3. Re:Hold On Tight! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      What, again? We have to drop everything and adopt socialism NOW? This argument comes up every single time. The arguments are all different and they are worded in different ways but the ideas are the same and the last one is as wrong as the first."

      You don't even know what socialism means. It means work. People who don't work...socialists will coldheartedly let them starve. Yup! For realsies! Check into your own history.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    4. Re:Hold On Tight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a financial singularity where people without jobs have AI stock trading programs to make money for them instead of being slaves of the government?

    5. Re:Hold On Tight! by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Respectively: no, no, and the (terrible) execution of it does not define socialism.

      More importantly: You entered the term into the discussion. You chose to use the most dire depiction of it as the definition. Nothing in Jim Sadler's post implied that we should let people starve. If that is what socialism is to you, then obviously Jim Sadler was not talking about 'socialism'.

      In simpler terms: you created and attacked a straw man. A classic and egregious fallacy in (your) reasoning.

    6. Re:Hold On Tight! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Do not confuse any socio-political system with the actions of individuals. No matter the socio-political system psychopaths, will corrupt it every single time in their favour and collapse the system over time. Communism, capitalism, socialism, democracy, anarchy, all collapse under the corruptive influence of psychopaths, simple fact of life.

      For artificial intelligence the focus should be on application. So most current application, translation services. So automatic written translation in proper context from one language to another. Second step spoken language recognition and translation, from one language to another and of course as part of that from human language to computer language, something that a computer can reliably interpret to carry out actions. This all require a learning computer ie learning written and spoken mannerism and language usage. So AI with very limited function, basically the core of AI development, not thinking for us, simply contextual understanding of instructions.

      Obvious benefit to humanity from this kind of AI, every one being able to talk to everyone else, exchange ideas, minimise divisions and focus on our real problems and the psychopaths at the top causing them. Breaking down communications barriers as is already being demonstrated is changing our world. This being exemplified by the steady shift to social democracy from other forms of government and this in conjunction with the recognition of the extreme harm psychopaths cause to human society (get rid of them and pretty much any style of government works effectively and with them pretty much any style of government devolves and collapses).

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  6. A bit of a reverse Pascal's Wager? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    If they take these actions, and malevolent strong AI does not come to pass, perhaps they've saved us all.

    If they take these actions, and malevolent strong AI does come to pass, they're no more doomed than they would've been anyhow.

    Of course, Pascal's wager falls apart if you pick the wrong god to worship (or the wrong way to worship it), and Musk and Thiel's wager falls apart if the world-consuming evil AI has a soft spot for goodlife. And if strong AI doesn't happen in any form, maybe they've wasted their money.

    1. Re:A bit of a reverse Pascal's Wager? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      From TFS:

      "to stop AI from ruining the world."

      There is no need for AI to ruin the world . . . humans are perfectly capable of doing that themselves, without the help of AI.

      A loftier goal for these rich folks, would be to research ways to stop humans from ruining the world.

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  7. Probably not the best use of $1B by mykepredko · · Score: 2

    I guess Musk got an AI demo that scared the bejeezus out of him because I always think about an article I read about the genesis of SpaceX where he sat down for a couple of days with a spreadsheet working at figuring out if there was a business opportunity with a reusable launcher.

    That kind of data centric, analytical approach doesn't seem to be taken here - it seems to be more knee-jerk worry than anything else.

    Better uses for the $1B? Let's see:
    - Practical electric propulsion for airliners.
    - Large scale power storage and distribution systems for EV, wind and tidal (all renewable) energy sources.
    - Lunar mining, refining and smelting to help create a sustainable industry off earth.
    - An electric delivery van.
    - Accelerating the Dragon II development.

    All would provide returns which would help mankind, would disrupt entrenched industries and provide a (somewhat risky) ROI for other investors to join in.

    1. Re:Probably not the best use of $1B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "- Practical electric propulsion for airliners."

      You'll need more than a billion for that. That would require so many breakthroughs and fundamental shifts that it's not even sure to happen with a trillion dollars.

      "Large scale power storage and distribution systems for EV, wind and tidal (all renewable) energy sources."

      Tidal isn't practical. The other two, at least in Quebec, already power an entire province and in fact we have massive surplus. We don't need storage...

      "Lunar mining, refining and smelting to help create a sustainable industry off earth."

      Delusional sci-fi twaddle for easily impressed children.

      " An electric delivery van."

      That's the most reasonable thing on your list.

      " Accelerating the Dragon II development."

      It's a rocket. So what?

      "All would provide returns which would help mankind"

      Oh brother...We *already* have returns which *should* (not "would") help mankind, but we don't. Humans are a horrific creature, and even with Star Trek technology we'd still find ways to be horrific to each other.

    2. Re:Probably not the best use of $1B by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      "Lunar mining, refining and smelting to help create a sustainable industry off earth."

      The most expensive construction ever built off-earth to create a product for which no customers exist. You'll need more than a billion to launch an entire space industry.

  8. Oblig: Tesla needs a better management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Musk's failure, can AI save them?

  9. Cylon Musk doesn't want any AI competitors.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows Elon is a robot

    1. Re:Cylon Musk doesn't want any AI competitors.. by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Has anyone seen him hit another man? Has anyone seen him eat? No? Then he's a robot.

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  10. Musk has really lost it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever little respect people had for him is surely gone with his new nutjob persona.

  11. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a lot of money to accelerate our obsoleteness. Ultron would be proud rofl...

  12. AI... by matbury · · Score: 2

    AI is no match for human stupidity.

    1. Re:AI... by leftover · · Score: 1

      and this is the most encouraging comment around!

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      Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
    2. Re:AI... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we should work on artificial stupidity instead :)

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  13. Just look at that lineup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No self-bias or prejudice there! [/sarc]

  14. Ethics?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they hate women?!?

  15. Re:Hold On Tight! Wolf in sheepsclothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rugged individualism let's individuals coldheartedly starve.
    Stop repeating BS and do some hard work at understanding the issue lazy bum!
    DNS-and-BIND you must be one of those lazy people you complain about.

  16. Re:Hold On Tight! Not what welfare is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welfare does not work that way.
    People who do welfare in many places don't have quota's or work hours.
    Although there is discouragement-work in welfare in many places.

    Also people on disability usually don't have discouragement-work.

  17. Re:AI vs NS great terminator parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A battle of AI versus natural stupidity would make a great terminator parody

  18. Their AI's won't be as good as the AIs of the rich by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

    Your proposal to give people without jobs/wealth AIs to trade for them and make them money won't work.

    The rich will have better AIs, and the net effect will be to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich via stock trades.

    Seriously, d'you think your AI sitting on your slow computer at home is going to beat the AI that's running in a co-located supercomputer center just a few ns away from the trade house? With special hardware that allows microsecond response times to shifts in stock prices?

    --PeterM

    --PM

  19. I blame the current Dilbert storyline by joeblog · · Score: 1

    I suspect the paypal billionaires get their AI views from Dilbert

    http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-...

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    If it works, it's obsolete
  20. Where is he getting the government funding? by reemul · · Score: 2

    Elon Musk is a brilliant man, but he won't hand you a hanky without finding some way to get a government grant or subsidy out of it. Every one of his businesses gets at least some money shaken out of the taxpayers somewhere in the process. So where is he getting the federal or state money for this venture? I can't believe that he has broken with his long practice of finding a way for the government to pay him to do what he was going to do anyway, that would be a bigger story than the AI thing.

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    You're just jealous 'cuz the voices talk to *me*
    1. Re:Where is he getting the government funding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had the same initial thought, and I'm not follower of Musk's business history.

      Sounds like "profitable ambivalence"... AI is a terrible societal danger that demands immediate taxpayer funding to manage... preferably by Musk... and if the management turns up some profitable related technologies... well, then, changing one's personal stance is free. For him, that is, not the taxpayers.

    2. Re:Where is he getting the government funding? by czert · · Score: 1

      You know, governments *want* brilliant people to take advantages of their subsidies. That's the only reason those subsidies exist, actually: to steer economic potential the way the governments want to. I fail to see what's wrong with Musk taking part in that.

  21. Re:Their AI's won't be as good as the AIs of the r by dinfinity · · Score: 1

    Dude, I mined an entire BitCoin this year with my home computing cluster.
    That's right, I'm a pretty big player in the BC-scene, man.

  22. Gov. Military, Police, Terrorist are the problem by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    Committing to controllable AI is fine, but the Government, NSA, CIA, FBI and the other TLAs will ignore the research and do what THEY want and to hell with reasonable AI. Same for the Military, Police and Terrorists! You really think they will give a hoot about controllable AI. I for one would wold be on the lookout for SkyNet.

  23. Where did this fear of AI even come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have there even been any significant advances in AI in the past 15 years or so?
    Why is it that the AI in videos games is still as dumb as a doorstop? Why can't computers beat humans at the game Go yet? Why does image recognition technology think that some random animal in an image is me?

    I don't think we need to worry about AI until its actually kinda smart.

  24. Ask Elon and "The Others" About the Internet 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha ha!

    In fact, ask the "smartest human being ever to be born on Earth, Bill Gates", "how is the Internet 2 coming along?"

    Ha ha

    Rule 1) Elon Musk is desperate for money, any money.

    Rule 2) Elon will say anything to get "you" to throw money, any money at him.

    Ha ha

  25. I'll give $300 million by NewYork · · Score: 1

    I'll give $300 million for carving out a separate country for Untouchable/Dalit in India http://wh.gov/ivsch