It's mainly a crappy wishlist. Let me make another: 1. Pigs should fly. 2. Gravity should never lead to humans dying. 3. Shit should smell like flowers and should be sterile.
Having said that, the idea was that it is a starting point, i.e. a very, very high bar. FTFA: "(i) Starting in June 2019, all stakeholders and individuals will be invited to test the assessment list and provide feedback on how to improve it. In addition, the AI high- level expert group will set up an in-depth review with stakeholders from the private and the public sector to gather more detailed feedback on how the guidelines can be implemented in a wide range of application domains. All feedback on the guidelines’ workability and feasibility will be evaluated by the end of 2019."
It'll be interesting to see which parts of this list survive that process.
Unless you're trying to actually run pre-Windows 95 stuff or old games, things tend to run fine on Win10. Do you have examples of software that won't run on Win10?
Comparing a planet with tonnes of non-recycled paper in landfills vs. one without comes out very much in favor for the former with regard to CO2 sequestration. Are there any downsides to this approach?
What they don’t have: guaranteed income (which is a basic tenet of socialism/communism), guaranteed jobs, guaranteed housing. They do have those for immigrants and professional victims but not for their own population.
Stop your lying. Nothing of that is true.
However socialist movements in those countries have led to unstable economies and a growing tension over the last 2 decades between immigrants and natives to the point that the only reason local governments in Belgium, France and the Netherlands aren’t currently extreme-right (yes, Nazi-style parties) are huge coalitions between every other party to prevent them coming to power. Those coalitions however make the government, especially in Belgium and the Netherlands but also in France extremely volatile and unstable.
Again, lies. The economies of the 'socialist' countries you mention are extremely stable in comparison to other countries in the world, just look at the growth rates in recent years. The governments as well. In fact, in the Netherlands, the coalitions have been slightly right leaning for decades now.
The rise of populism is a worldwide phenomenon fueled by sensationalism and geopolitical strife and is clearly not a result of 'socialist movements'.
You could look into lens implantation. I had the Visian ICL one done and it is amazing. It is more expensive than any of the laser surgeries, but it is reversible and there is a significantly lower chance of complications (no dryness issues etc.).
The only actual 'complication' is seeing ringlike lens flares from the edges of the 'aquaport' (a little hole in the center of the lens), which I'm told your brain adjusts to over a longer period of time (I'm 2.5 months in). They're not problematic in any way already, just noticeable at night (I am absolutely fine with driving at night).
ICLs surgery is very similar to cataract surgery, but instead of actually replacing your biological lens, they just add a lens between your own and your iris.
That would be 0.8 times lighter, which does make sense. Incidentally that is probably what the authors of TFA tried to say when they said 5 times lighter.
It would not imply comprehension (ever had a conversation with a chatbot?). With the Chinese Room only able to answer encyclopedic questions, it is blatantly obvious that the Chinese Room would not even come close to passing the Turing test, so to imply (as the CR does) that it would 'simulate understanding' is retarded. The CR has no (artificial) state, mental modeling or any of the things required to actually understand things and as soon as you start adding those into the thought experiment, the entire "it's just symbol manipulation" bit completely falls apart.
Just accept it: the Chinese Room is a terrible thought experiment and it does not show what you think it shows.
It does not. The Chinese Room shows that some thought experiments are just really shitty.
Go ahead, ask your Chinese Room to answer these questions and think about the implications: - "How many fingers was I holding up 10 seconds ago?" - "Do you think Stacy likes me?"
The worst thing is that it's actually not even that long: "Ribulose-1,5-bisphosphate carboxylase/oxygenase, commonly known by the abbreviations Rubisco or rubisco [1], RuBPCase, or RuBPco" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... )
Deoxyribonucleic acid isn't that much shorter and pretty much every high schooler who learned about genetics has at least heard it once.
I don't think it's so much that there is something special about organic as it is that there might be something lacking in ANNs.
I agree. That is an accurate statement. The crap that pervades Slashdot nowadays is not. Look at this sentence: 'The underlying reason is computers lack any way of attaining "common sense."' That's the type of thing I'm railing against.
Well, to be fair, the OpenWorm project aims to simulate an entire organism physically as close to the way it is in real life and is pretty busy creating the simulation of the world around it. The neural part of it is a relatively small part, really. Hardly proof that "we don't know how even simple neural systems work".
Things such as hormonal influences do have an impact, but that impact is so basic and broad that modeling them in ANNs is actually fairly trivial and in fact has already been done. The same goes for other undoubtedly fairly unimportant elements such as glial cells. I can get onboard with something like neural oscillations being a key missing element in most current ANN implementations (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). In general, the time dimension is one we have really only recently started exploring in ANNs. The way ANNs learn is also still good old backpropagation.
If the claim is that a neural structure is sufficient, I would just say that. Saying it is just pattern matching is a loaded statement since it makes one think of simple iid function induction which doesn't capture lots of machine learning let alone what a brain can do. However, while I'd be OK with the claim that neural structure is sufficient, that's not really a strong statement. I'm sure one could model a Turing machine with neural structure, so it's really just saying a computer is sufficient.
True, I guess it depends on at what granularity you consider the 'pattern matching' to occur.
Anyway I do agree with your goal to remove any metaphysicism which does have a history in AI. I also think it's good research to better understand the success of deep learning in many contexts including GANs and LSTM. I apologize if I gave the impression I was attacking you.
I did not see any ad hominems (which is nice to see on the internet;-). Attacks on my statements are welcome (if well reasoned), so no worries.
"France...seem[s] to be doing fine" is EXACTLY what the parent claimed.
My apologies. I now see that it was one of those "I'll start my sentence in the title" posts.
The truth or falsehood of their beliefs is not relevant to my statement, which is they would disagree with parent's statement.
Although technically correct, it is a rhetorical device that implies that there is truth in their beliefs. It is nothing but an argumentum ad populum in disguise.
And while the US might drag their feet on becoming involved in another overseas war no country in Europe is going to let Russia go on a Hitler-like series of annexations. They can take the Baltics, but then WW3 has begun.
I dunno, man. Europeans have gotten quite nationalistic and selfish of late. I know many of my fellow countrymen don't give a rat's ass about pretty much the entirety of Southern Europe, let alone the Balkans or the Baltic states. They see them as freeloading countries whose inhabitants only 'steal our jobs'. They refer to the EU as the EUSSR and would all rather retreat onto the island they regard their country to be.
Remember that one of the major reasons why Hitler could get so far as he did was that nobody wanted to get involved (with WWI fresh in the minds of their citizens). I have family in Estonia, so I dearly hope that Europe and NATO will stand strong as they should. I wish I could be as sure of that as I want to be, though.
The Yellow Vests seem to disagree with you that France is doing fine.
Straw man. GP claimed nothing of the sort.
Also: the existence of protests in a country says very little definitively about what they are protesting against. Especially in France. Unless you are claiming that the existence of, say, neonazi protests in the US shows that it is being overrun by evil Jews.
The flavor may actually be better without the hogshit and cockroach that sneaks in there.
To imply that nationalized utilities, national armies and social security mechanisms are somehow equivalent to the 'hogshit and cockroach in hotdogs' and have not contributed to prosperity is disingenuous bullshit.
All Western economies are a blend of those ideas. Presenting them as a dichotomy (as GP did) as a response to any criticism towards capitalism is fallacious, misleading and defeatist.
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That escalated quickly.
..wn that presses submit before you're finished writing your comment?
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It's mainly a crappy wishlist. Let me make another:
1. Pigs should fly.
2. Gravity should never lead to humans dying.
3. Shit should smell like flowers and should be sterile.
Having said that, the idea was that it is a starting point, i.e. a very, very high bar. FTFA:
"(i) Starting in June 2019, all stakeholders and individuals will be invited to test the assessment list and provide feedback on how to improve it. In addition, the AI high- level expert group will set up an in-depth review with stakeholders from the private and the public sector to gather more detailed feedback on how the guidelines can be implemented in a wide range of application domains. All feedback on the guidelines’ workability and feasibility will be evaluated by the end of 2019."
It'll be interesting to see which parts of this list survive that process.
Umm. No. I haven't.
Unless you're trying to actually run pre-Windows 95 stuff or old games, things tend to run fine on Win10. Do you have examples of software that won't run on Win10?
That is actually really insightful.
Comparing a planet with tonnes of non-recycled paper in landfills vs. one without comes out very much in favor for the former with regard to CO2 sequestration. Are there any downsides to this approach?
What they don’t have: guaranteed income (which is a basic tenet of socialism/communism), guaranteed jobs, guaranteed housing. They do have those for immigrants and professional victims but not for their own population.
Stop your lying. Nothing of that is true.
However socialist movements in those countries have led to unstable economies and a growing tension over the last 2 decades between immigrants and natives to the point that the only reason local governments in Belgium, France and the Netherlands aren’t currently extreme-right (yes, Nazi-style parties) are huge coalitions between every other party to prevent them coming to power. Those coalitions however make the government, especially in Belgium and the Netherlands but also in France extremely volatile and unstable.
Again, lies. The economies of the 'socialist' countries you mention are extremely stable in comparison to other countries in the world, just look at the growth rates in recent years. The governments as well. In fact, in the Netherlands, the coalitions have been slightly right leaning for decades now.
The rise of populism is a worldwide phenomenon fueled by sensationalism and geopolitical strife and is clearly not a result of 'socialist movements'.
You could look into lens implantation. I had the Visian ICL one done and it is amazing.
It is more expensive than any of the laser surgeries, but it is reversible and there is a significantly lower chance of complications (no dryness issues etc.).
The only actual 'complication' is seeing ringlike lens flares from the edges of the 'aquaport' (a little hole in the center of the lens), which I'm told your brain adjusts to over a longer period of time (I'm 2.5 months in). They're not problematic in any way already, just noticeable at night (I am absolutely fine with driving at night).
ICLs surgery is very similar to cataract surgery, but instead of actually replacing your biological lens, they just add a lens between your own and your iris.
Nice collection of straw men you got there, dipshit.
How about actually providing a summary instead of copy pasting a bunch of TFA?
ZF says its tech reduces intrusions into the passenger cabin by 30 up to percent
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That would be 0.8 times lighter, which does make sense.
Incidentally that is probably what the authors of TFA tried to say when they said 5 times lighter.
You misspelled 'js' there.
PHP is a server-side language, remember?
That is a terrible defense.
It would not imply comprehension (ever had a conversation with a chatbot?). With the Chinese Room only able to answer encyclopedic questions, it is blatantly obvious that the Chinese Room would not even come close to passing the Turing test, so to imply (as the CR does) that it would 'simulate understanding' is retarded. The CR has no (artificial) state, mental modeling or any of the things required to actually understand things and as soon as you start adding those into the thought experiment, the entire "it's just symbol manipulation" bit completely falls apart.
Just accept it: the Chinese Room is a terrible thought experiment and it does not show what you think it shows.
It does not. The Chinese Room shows that some thought experiments are just really shitty.
Go ahead, ask your Chinese Room to answer these questions and think about the implications:
- "How many fingers was I holding up 10 seconds ago?"
- "Do you think Stacy likes me?"
The worst thing is that it's actually not even that long:
"Ribulose-1,5-bisphosphate carboxylase/oxygenase, commonly known by the abbreviations Rubisco or rubisco [1], RuBPCase, or RuBPco" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... )
Deoxyribonucleic acid isn't that much shorter and pretty much every high schooler who learned about genetics has at least heard it once.
I don't think it's so much that there is something special about organic as it is that there might be something lacking in ANNs.
I agree. That is an accurate statement. The crap that pervades Slashdot nowadays is not. Look at this sentence: 'The underlying reason is computers lack any way of attaining "common sense."'
That's the type of thing I'm railing against.
We don't know how even simple neural systems work. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org])
Well, to be fair, the OpenWorm project aims to simulate an entire organism physically as close to the way it is in real life and is pretty busy creating the simulation of the world around it. The neural part of it is a relatively small part, really. Hardly proof that "we don't know how even simple neural systems work".
Things such as hormonal influences do have an impact, but that impact is so basic and broad that modeling them in ANNs is actually fairly trivial and in fact has already been done. The same goes for other undoubtedly fairly unimportant elements such as glial cells.
I can get onboard with something like neural oscillations being a key missing element in most current ANN implementations (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). In general, the time dimension is one we have really only recently started exploring in ANNs. The way ANNs learn is also still good old backpropagation.
If the claim is that a neural structure is sufficient, I would just say that. Saying it is just pattern matching is a loaded statement since it makes one think of simple iid function induction which doesn't capture lots of machine learning let alone what a brain can do. However, while I'd be OK with the claim that neural structure is sufficient, that's not really a strong statement. I'm sure one could model a Turing machine with neural structure, so it's really just saying a computer is sufficient.
True, I guess it depends on at what granularity you consider the 'pattern matching' to occur.
Anyway I do agree with your goal to remove any metaphysicism which does have a history in AI. I also think it's good research to better understand the success of deep learning in many contexts including GANs and LSTM. I apologize if I gave the impression I was attacking you.
I did not see any ad hominems (which is nice to see on the internet ;-). Attacks on my statements are welcome (if well reasoned), so no worries.
"France...seem[s] to be doing fine" is EXACTLY what the parent claimed.
My apologies. I now see that it was one of those "I'll start my sentence in the title" posts.
The truth or falsehood of their beliefs is not relevant to my statement, which is they would disagree with parent's statement.
Although technically correct, it is a rhetorical device that implies that there is truth in their beliefs. It is nothing but an argumentum ad populum in disguise.
And while the US might drag their feet on becoming involved in another overseas war no country in Europe is going to let Russia go on a Hitler-like series of annexations. They can take the Baltics, but then WW3 has begun.
I dunno, man. Europeans have gotten quite nationalistic and selfish of late. I know many of my fellow countrymen don't give a rat's ass about pretty much the entirety of Southern Europe, let alone the Balkans or the Baltic states. They see them as freeloading countries whose inhabitants only 'steal our jobs'. They refer to the EU as the EUSSR and would all rather retreat onto the island they regard their country to be.
Remember that one of the major reasons why Hitler could get so far as he did was that nobody wanted to get involved (with WWI fresh in the minds of their citizens). I have family in Estonia, so I dearly hope that Europe and NATO will stand strong as they should. I wish I could be as sure of that as I want to be, though.
"SJWs", really?
Is this an area where that moniker applies?
Wouldn't Agricultural Justice Warriors or Small Business Justice Warriors be more fitting?
The Yellow Vests seem to disagree with you that France is doing fine.
Straw man. GP claimed nothing of the sort.
Also: the existence of protests in a country says very little definitively about what they are protesting against. Especially in France.
Unless you are claiming that the existence of, say, neonazi protests in the US shows that it is being overrun by evil Jews.
The flavor may actually be better without the hogshit and cockroach that sneaks in there.
To imply that nationalized utilities, national armies and social security mechanisms are somehow equivalent to the 'hogshit and cockroach in hotdogs' and have not contributed to prosperity is disingenuous bullshit.
All Western economies are a blend of those ideas. Presenting them as a dichotomy (as GP did) as a response to any criticism towards capitalism is fallacious, misleading and defeatist.