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Google Hosts Special Demo Day For Female Entrepreneurs (thenewstack.io)

An anonymous reader writes: Wednesday Google hosted a special edition of their annual "Demo Day" event featuring 11 early-stage startup companies founded by women from eight different countries. More than 450 women from 40 different counties applied for a spot, and the winner of the competition was Bridgit, a fast-growing Canadian company which provides a mobile communications platform for construction teams. Online voters also awarded the "Game Changer" title to KiChing, a startup that's actively addressing Mexico's unique e-commerce challenges. But all of the startups at Wednesday's event were already actively raising series-A funding, and "We aim to help connect them to mentors, access to capital, and shine a spotlight on their efforts," said Mary Grove, the director of Google for Entrepreneurs, addressing the Demo Day audience in San Francisco.

220 comments

  1. Another poor summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Missing important details like how many sandwiches did they make?

    1. Re:Another poor summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Missing important details like how many sandwiches did they make?

      It's actually a position of incredible weakness to only be able to eat a sandwich if a woman makes it for you - which perhaps explains why men in that position feel so much anger.

      That's not to say that there are no advantages to cooperation and reciprocity, "I'll take change the burned-out light-bulb in the garage while you make us some sandwiches for lunch."

      But there's also a huge sense of satisfaction and power from being able to make your own sandwich - to be able to eat a sandwich whenever you want regardless of whether a woman is willing to make one for you.

    2. Re:Another poor summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depends on how many vaginas were present

    3. Re:Another poor summary by matbury · · Score: 1

      I don't know about sandwiches but I can see the proceedings unfold at Google HQ: http://thecodinglove.com/post/...

  2. Looks like we have a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Slow news day.

    1. Re:Looks like we have a... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Very slow, it arrived three days late.

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  3. Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well at least you held off for a few days this time.

  4. Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I just want to know when the special "male only" event will be?

    No?

    1. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by CrankyFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How long have you been here?

      The general consensus on Slashdot is that:
      1. Men have no advantage over women; quite the opposite, a significant set of disadvantages;
      2. Women are under-represented in higher-earning professions because "they just don't feel like it"
      3. Anything aimed at women only is end-of-the-word discrimination.

    2. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to take them to court under the Unruh Act.

      http://news.yahoo.com/this-cal...

    3. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by x0ra · · Score: 0

      Go tell a women she has to pull a few all-nighter because the product need to be shipped Sunday evening...

    4. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps males have a ridiculous number of advantages because at some point in the past, women had all the advantages and males were treated as charity cases and given preferential treatment which they exploited to revolt.

      sexism is sexism. put lipstick on the pig all you want... you're an ignorant hypocrite.

    5. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Go tell a women she has to pull a few all-nighter because the product need to be shipped Sunday evening...

      I know several female devs.

      They've been just as likely to stay late or come in on weekends as anyone else.

      Now they didn't have kids so maybe that would change if they get children, but for the childless twenty-somethings, they're just as dedicated as the guys.

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    6. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by quantaman · · Score: 1, Troll

      perhaps males have a ridiculous number of advantages because at some point in the past, women had all the advantages and males were treated as charity cases and given preferential treatment which they exploited to revolt.

      sexism is sexism. put lipstick on the pig all you want... you're an ignorant hypocrite.

      I can't tell if you're trolling or an explorer from an alternate dimension.

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    7. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Let the ladies have their Tupperware parties. Here's the reality:

      1. Men have higher IQs
      2. Teams of men outperform mixed teams and teams of women to a rediculous degree
      3. Men get more attractive as we age, since our attractiveness is based on success
      4. Men can reproduce at any age
      5. Women have created a society where they're forced to work, even after marriage
      6. Many women will have had their unborn children murdered inside them in order to pursue trivial things like careers or educations
      7. Women are the first to go as they often hold worthless positions in HR and reception
      8. Women get easy degrees and then complain that women don't get jobs requiring difficult degrees

      Enjoy being a man, it only gets better with age.

    8. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What advantage? Are males somehow better?

      All these 'helping hands' given to women make us look weak and pathetic. As a woman, I don't like that.

    9. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exceptions that prove the rule.

    10. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by x0ra · · Score: 0

      1) men actually have lower *and* higher IQ
      3) so do women, moreover, all men don't succeed
      4) difficult when you can't get a boner
      6) stupid pro-life argument, abortion should be encourage to limit population increase, though, most religion are stuck in the past. Moreover, an unwanted child generally mean 2 fuck-up lives.
      7) women are more attracted to socially interacting jobs, thus HR / secretary / reception
      8) true for lots of men as well

    11. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you. I never used to think of women as inferior to me (a man) in any way until I started listening to feminists begging for special treatment all the time to make up for their alleged deficiencies.

    12. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trolling

    13. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long have you been here?

      The general consensus on Slashdot is that:
      1. Men have no advantage over women; quite the opposite, a significant set of disadvantages;
      2. Women are under-represented in higher-earning professions because "they just don't feel like it"
      3. Anything aimed at women only is end-of-the-word discrimination.

      I'm trying to shift that consensus.

      Mostly when I read a thread on /. I see similar opinions to those I see in the industry as a whole.

      But whenever an article about feminism comes up the comment threads become absolutely toxic. I normally brag to people about the high quality of comments on /., but I don't want any association with the views I see expressed in threads like these.

      These threads aren't going to get any better until those those of us who disagree with this consensus speak up and make our case.

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    14. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Exceptions that prove the rule.

      If everyone I know is an exception then it's not a very useful rule.

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    15. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is a temporary measure designed to restore equal opportunity. People who have been discriminated against tend to have less education, less income, and are less able to compete for the same opportunities as those who haven't faced discrimination. Affirmative action is done to make the playing field level so that there actually is equal opportunity. It is done to undo the effects of discrimination. It's not perfect and, yes, it can go too far. But just because you suddenly allow someone an opportunity doesn't mean they have the resources to compete for that opportunity. Affirmative action levels that playing field. If men had been discriminated against, it would be necessary to have affirmative action for men. There are areas where that's actually a good idea, but not here. If we'd given everyone equal opportunity from the beginning, none of this would be necessary at all. But we didn't, and that's why affirmative action is needed now.

    16. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So *everyone you know* is

      just as likely to stay late or come in on weekends as anyone else.

      Bull. Shit.

    17. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women have created a society where they're forced to work, even after marriage

      Except you are fucking wrong here; Libertarians have created a society where every fucker and their wife as to work their ass off, even more so if they're in a salaried position, because they're giving all the power to people who hold the money and fucking themselves in the ass.

      You are a nothing but a sucker from the likes of Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Alan Greenspan then swallowed everything they have to offer. So congratulations you ignorant motherfucker.

    18. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Males have a ridiculous number of advantages when it comes to becoming entrepreneurs, having the occasional female-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      Words mean things. When you create a double-standard around a word like "discrimination" all you do is out yourself as a bigot.

    19. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trolling from an alternate dimension

    20. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by x0ra · · Score: 2

      this has nothing to do with libertarianism...

    21. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is a temporary measure designed to restore equal opportunity. People who have been discriminated against tend to have less education, less income, and are less able to compete for the same opportunities as those who haven't faced discrimination.

      I suppose that for women in the baby-boom generation who are now around retirement age, there's a compelling case to be made that they did face some real discrimination in their younger days. On the other hand, women in the baby-boom generation also weren't drafted to be killed in the jungles of Vietnam. So the discrimination of that era was a mixed bag.

      On the other hand, I'm a bit younger - prime working age, I like to think - and I really didn't see the women of my generation face any significant discrimination. In fact, generally speaking, they've had significantly less stressful and more comfortable lives than me.

      I even have a (female) twin sister. I got accepted to MIT and she didn't. But that was because she didn't even apply. When I first arrived at MIT, there were welcome speeches about how MIT was a place where it was OK to be a nerd. And I felt happy: I was a nerd among fellow nerds. But that wasn't what my twin sister wanted for herself. She actually got accepted to an even more selective college than me - and immersed herself in social studies and outdoor activities.

      At the moment, she's enjoying herself as a stay at home mom on Hawaii. She has a husband who makes very good money running his own small business. And her biggest worry is that delays in getting down to the beach in the morning might cause her kids to feel a bit grumpy. On the other hand, I'm stuck in front of a computer in a shared windowless office where if I try to lean back I'm up someone else's personal space.

      I could be convinced that there are classes of people who still need affirmative action. But it's hard to see how modern American women are one of them.

    22. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much it. I see a mostly male workplace and my first thought isn't discrimination. It's that I'm looking at a company where it's pretty much expected that you'll sell your personal life for a paycheck. For whatever reason, a lot of young men are willing and eager to do so. I mean you're even painting it as some normal part of the job rather than lower level employees having to make up for continual gross incompetence at the top. The real reason there's not as many women in the industry? It's because the industry lives on social rejects. There's just not as many women who fit that description than there are men.

    23. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We should praise the ones who don't want to stay late. They hurt themselves, and they hurt the rest of us by normalising it to the point where it's expected if you want to get ahead.

      I worked at a place that discouraged it, and always made people who worked late for exceptional reasons take the time off later. As such people would set realistic deadlines and not pressure others to work late to make them look good.

      Subordinates having too much overtime was taken as a sign of poor management.

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    24. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "since our attractiveness is based on success" Keep telling yourself that fatty. We're no more attracted to you than you'd be if you spotted a 90 year old with a giant bank account. It's just that there's, for whatever reason, a ton of men willing and eager to be taken advantage of. Have fun trying to figure out why your kids look nothing like you.

    25. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being barely 1/3rd of college graduates is an advantage? Having virtually no special programs, aid, funding, or mentorship available to you is an advantage? Being utterly excluded from virtually the entire social safety net in case you go broke trying is an advantage?

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    26. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Mark it on the calender we agree about something. Unfortunately a lot of people are forced into overtime due to the lack of living wages.

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    27. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by quantaman · · Score: 1

      We should praise the ones who don't want to stay late. They hurt themselves, and they hurt the rest of us by normalising it to the point where it's expected if you want to get ahead.

      I worked at a place that discouraged it, and always made people who worked late for exceptional reasons take the time off later. As such people would set realistic deadlines and not pressure others to work late to make them look good.

      Subordinates having too much overtime was taken as a sign of poor management.

      I agree though our place is really good about that.

      Previously we were hourly so to the extent people did OT they were generally driving it themselves. Now we're on salary but management is very good about encouraging a 40hr week. If you work 42 your manager starts asking why you aren't going home earlier.

      It's still a pain if it happens since you do plan your life around a regular workday and weekends off, but it's not a terribly common occurrence.

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    28. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The majority of Slashdotters are, to put it simply, against discrimination. If there was discrimination against women as blatant as the discrimination against men in this story, I assure you, it would be condemned just as strongly.

      Essentially, there are three groups, with different beliefs:

      A: Discrimination against women is more acceptable than discrimination against men.
      B: Discrimination against men and women are equally unacceptable.
      C: Discrimination against men is more acceptable than discrimination against women.

      Groups A and C are sexist. The majority of Slashdotters are in group B. You, and a substantial minority, are in group C. No one is in group A.

    29. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd welcome anyone standing up to the ridiculous crunch culture. It just doesn't fly in other disciplines, and it should be avoided to make management accountable for poor planning and resource allocation. It's such stupid nerd bullshit - effectively working for free pizza, and devaluing the profession.

    30. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call bullshit on this, simply because no sentient human being could possibly confuse your anecdata about your sister in Hawaii, with the successful husband, the beach, etc., with the reality for most working women. The whole story is completely worthless, and doesn't support your argument in any way.

    31. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by x0ra · · Score: 1

      For the amount money I'm getting paid, I don't see the problem of doing it on an exceptional basis.

    32. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Z80a · · Score: 1

      How many of those are formed in gender studies instead of some STEM area?
      I bet on none, which is why they're actually "white CIS males in disguise and don't actually count" for the PC group of evil.

    33. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Unfortunately I have no mod points left, so I can't undo the damage done by the misogynistic trolls that think that anything that doesn't agree with their point of view deserves to be modded -1 Flamebait, Troll or even just Overrated. Slashdot didn't used to be like this, we used to enjoy free conversation, with the negative mods reserved for the real trolls.

    34. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the manager of a software team, one of my tasks is to monitor the overtime to make sure that it doesn't go over legal limits. I have only had to warn people twice that they were approaching the limit, and in both cases they were females.

    35. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Males have a ridiculous number of advantages when it comes to becoming entrepreneurs, having the occasional female-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      "Advantages"? Like what?

      "Correct"? Why is there a need to "correct"?

    36. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      > having the occasional female-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      You can't undefine the word. You can make a [good - ed.] argument that it's not an injustice, but denying the facts does nobody any favors.

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    37. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is a temporary measure designed to restore equal opportunity.

      That's the excuse that's used, but let's be honest: it's only an excuse. The people pushing affirmative action don't require proof of unequal opportunity, or even substantial evidence, and they most certainly don't have an endpoint to their programs in mind. Moreover, they only ever push affirmative action when it favours the groups towards which they are biased: they support discrimination against men in technology employment, but not discrimination against women in the courts.

      Affirmative action is possibly the greatest obstacle to equal opportunity in the present day.

    38. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Amen, +5. I know several devs who are women and a higher percentage of them won't put up with management bullshit than the male devs I know (many of whom are human floormats). The very best thing male devs can do for the culture is to aspire to be as socially courageous and self-respecting as the women. One reason female devs are disrespected is because male devs create an environment for all devs to be disrespected.

      Of course, when my plans for groups include "be more courageous" usually I'm disappointed in the outcomes.

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    39. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      having the occasional female-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      actually, it is discrimination by definition.

      Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing is perceived to belong to rather than on individual merit.

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    40. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Right, men really struggle to compete with all those women being forced into jobs they don't want. Men have to work twice as hard, and if they can't they complain that it's because women made overtime a dirty word or got them fired for doing guy stuff that other guys wouldn't mind, like sending dick pics.

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    41. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have a very odd definition of "free".

    42. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jews have a ridiculous number of advantages when it comes to being entrepreneurs, having the occasional Aryan-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      (I don't know for sure, but I would bet cash money that there were Aryan-only business networking events. I *do* know that there were Aryan-only academic programs.)

    43. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me why this 'advantage' needs correcting? Better yet, tell me what this alleged advantage is. I haven't experienced it pretty much ever in relation to seeing what kind of special treatment women get.

    44. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There is a forth option:

      D: Things that help women gain equality while not directly harming men are an acceptable way to correct the existing imbalance.

      So, in this case, men are not actually being hurt in any way*, and the goal is to correct the imbalance in tech, and thus it is okay. D is the mainstream view held by the majority of people, which is why events like this are legal and rarely challenged.

      * I'm looking forward to the tortured logic that tires to claim it is though.

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    45. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative action is a temporary measure designed to restore equal opportunity.

      Copyright is a temporary measure designed to provide adequate compensation for creative work.

      The more generations that 'temporary' stretches across, the more that people will chafe.

    46. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Informative

      These threads aren't going to get any better until those those of us who disagree with this consensus speak up and make our case.

      What are your thoughts about female discouragement of other females?

      My wife was an example of of what a lot of women say is the goal. Well paid, well respected, no one's fool.

      Oh - hold on. Many of the other women hated her. Not for her personality, which is admittedly alpha, but for her success. The backstabbing and occasional sabotage by jealous females was something that didn't go over too well.

      The men? Despite the meme of men being the source of all trouble, they respect and with one exception really like her. They certainly listen to her when she hands out the orders. And this is in an industry with a lot of "traditional" type guys.

      The same situation exists with the female engineers and scientists I worked with. Many ended up associating with only men at work because we would accept them. In the end, is it even wrong to lay all of the blame for gender issues at the feet of men?

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    47. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you want to work with a crazy woman that thinks everything you do, no matter how innocent it is, is sexist and sexual harassment? Taking into account that, as it happens with Google and most of the academic and CS industry, your boss is a liberal retard that believes that SJWs are right and will listen to everything that this crazy woman stouts, being ready to fire you without listening to reasons as soon as she finds something in you that offends her. And be assured that she will, because she actually makes a living on finding ways to be offended.

      Of course, this is unsustainable, so in a few years a lot of universities and software companies will go bankrupt once the technological bubble bursts, and their bullshit hiring practices and company policies will actually have an impact in the company results. Yet feminists are so destructive that even now we see cases like the Gnome foundation filing for bankruptcy because their feminist manager burnt all the money in female-only training courses that were totally unrelated with the gnome project.

    48. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? You do know that women are considered minorities when it comes to getting a Small Business Loan - something not afforded to men. That is but one of many examples where women have advantages over men.

    49. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, really? Please name some of these so-called advantages.

      Yeah, didn't think so.

    50. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in group D (possibly the same as AmiMojo's group):

      I don't object to these gender or race balancers. I do not mind quotas if it makes a 98/2 split to a 80/20 split. I do not think it hurts the 98 %.

      Yes, it means that (bottom) 18 % of the majority will lose an education spot or whatever in their favoured university. Is the competition really so tough, that you're happy just to get to the bottom rung? Does it actually affect anyone but the lowest performers? (Yes, yes, slashdot'll scream "it's not meritocracy!" here.)

      I think that getting these things more balanced will actually lead to a healthier atmosphere, for everyone.

    51. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      A: Discrimination against women is more acceptable than discrimination against men.
      B: Discrimination against men and women are equally unacceptable.
      C: Discrimination against men is more acceptable than discrimination against women.

      Sure, few publicly state that they are members of A. However, the status quo is A. Therefore if you are satisfied with the status quo, then you are a member of A.

    52. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those opportunities are open to females too, the female only ones are discriminatory.

    53. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your privilege is not my privilege, silver spoon.

    54. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by erapert · · Score: 1

      Is the competition really so tough, that you're happy just to get to the bottom rung? Does it actually affect anyone but the lowest performers? (Yes, yes, slashdot'll scream "it's not meritocracy!" here.)

      The problem here is that by disregarding the value of meritocracy completely destroys your own argument.

      If we shouldn't care about meritocracy then why should we care if women make it into STEM fields at all in the first place?

    55. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are certainly people who still belong to the set A. But you only see the status quo as A, and the unwillingness to embrace the ranks of C as A, because you mentally lump A and B together. "If you're not with us then you're against us."

      Not believing that sexism is a good thing (B) doesn't make somebody sexist. Your beliefs, goals, and methods are indistinguishable from those of your enemy. The rest of us just want you sexist pigs to shut up!

    56. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I would have though the point was obvious. The probability of being able to have a high level career in science or technology is overwhelmingly higher when one is born into a situation of significant educational privilege. But women who are born into such situations of privilege also have the option of marrying a successful husband and living a life of relative ease and luxury. The point is that such woman choose not to have careers in science and technology.

    57. Re: Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this has nothing to do with libertarianism...

      Except that Rand wrote the libertarian bible known as Altas Shrugged.

    58. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      perhaps males have a ridiculous number of advantages because at some point in the past, women had all the advantages and males were treated as charity cases and given preferential treatment which they exploited to revolt.

      sexism is sexism. put lipstick on the pig all you want... you're an ignorant hypocrite.

      I can't tell if you're trolling or an explorer from an alternate dimension.

      I love how you got modded troll yourself for this.

      Slashdot itself appears to be inhabited by mods from an alternate dimension.

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    59. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Males have a ridiculous number of advantages when it comes to becoming entrepreneurs, having the occasional female-specific event to try and correct some of the imbalance does not count as discrimination.

      "Advantages"? Like what?

      "Correct"? Why is there a need to "correct"?

      "Men don't have any advantages, and if they do they don't need to be corrected because men are superior".

      Got it.

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    60. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Needing to stay later or work weekends just means stuff is being done incorrectly. The worst code is created after hours.

    61. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's also the Slashdot idea that we live in a perfect society where there is no sex discrimination going on, which means that all (not just some) differences are due to personal inclination. I've also seen the claim that lack of legal obstacles means there's no discrimination (and those people should recognize that Google is legally free to do as it likes in this area). I don't believe those, and I'm for measures that will at least attempt to correct things. As far as I'm concerned, we do not live in a perfect society, and that gathering information on how to make it better is a Good Thing.

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    62. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the manager of a software team, one of my tasks is to monitor the overtime to make sure that it doesn't go over legal limits.

      If you're in America (which you may not be), this statement is totally implausible.

    63. Re:Discrimination is discrimination by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Being utterly excluded from virtually the entire social safety net in case you go broke trying is an advantage?

      After 12 years as a freelancer, I can say with confidence: In America there IS NO safety net. Long-term dependency programs for the permanent underclass? Sure! Help for a productive person who has fallen on temporary hard times? Nada, zip, zilch, none.

  5. Quotas by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always been clear why women aren't competitive with men at the 100-meter dash, but it's not clear why women aren't competitive with men at professional poker.

    1. Re:Quotas by quantaman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's because they have smaller brains and are not as smart and need a special edge, just like here where they need their own special Female Entrepreneurs events, since they can't compete with men evenly. At least that is the message that Google seems to be sending.

      The fact you're receiving that message has more to do with you than Google.

      Some of us are able to recognize the extreme advantages that men get when it comes to entrepreneurship in the technology industry and see events such as this as attempts to even a heavily tilted playing field.

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    2. Re: Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What extreme advantages?

    3. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Some of us are able to recognize the extreme advantages"

      Like the men only demo days, men only networking events, men only scholarships, men only mentor setup programs, men only coding programs and so on. I think what you mean to write was: "Some of us are able to recognize the extreme advantages that women get".

    4. Re:Quotas by quantaman · · Score: 1

      "Some of us are able to recognize the extreme advantages"

      Like the men only demo days, men only networking events, men only scholarships, men only mentor setup programs, men only coding programs and so on. I think what you mean to write was: "Some of us are able to recognize the extreme advantages that women get".

      The fact that when you have a mixed group people just automatically assume one of the guys in the leader.

      That there's a lot more successful guys to mentor younger guys than there are successful women to mentor young women.

      Or all the legitimate misogynists who have a real problem with the prospect of a female superior.

      Or how uncomfortable it can be working in an industry that can be really hostile to women.

      Or the very powerful fact when you're a guy you're surrounded by examples of male leaders and entrepreneurs to serve as examples and validation, while a woman is in much more uncertain territory.

      If you don't think these things matter then question why prospective entrepreneurs move to Silicon Valley instead of Ohio. A supportive environment that pushes you towards a course of action is incredibly important, and that's something guys have and Google is trying to re-create for women.

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    5. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see events such as this as attempts to even a heavily tilted playing field.

      The playing field isn't tilted. Each side has their own advantages.

    6. Re:Quotas by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Except I don't think guys only mentor guys and girls only mentor girls. (NB, I'm willing to use men and women, or guys and girls, but you should be consistent in your forms). I think the number of misogynists who have a problem with a female superior are really, really small. And with every company and incubator having events like this, how is the industry hostile to women?

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    7. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or how uncomfortable it can be working in an industry that can be really hostile to women.

      Now you're being clueless. If "hostility to women" were the problem, then women would not be nurses, because sexual harassment from doctors is much worse there.

    8. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > The fact that when you have a mixed group people just automatically assume one of the guys in the leader.

      That's not really much of an advantage.

      > That there's a lot more successful guys to mentor younger guys than there are successful women to mentor young women.

      There's zero reason, other than bigotry, to assume that people need a same-gender mentor. Do you think it's okay for people to say they're not comfortable around women? If yes, then how is that different from being "uncomfortable" around black people?

      > Or all the legitimate misogynists who have a real problem with the prospect of a female superior.

      And every legitimate problem someone has with a female superior will get blamed on mysogyny.

      > Or how uncomfortable it can be working in an industry that can be really hostile to women.

      So you don't think that saying "you have a penis, you're not welcome at demo day" is hostile?

      > Or the very powerful fact when you're a guy you're surrounded by examples of male leaders and entrepreneurs to serve as examples and validation, while a woman is in much more uncertain territory.

      Entrepreneurs don't need someone to show them the way, they MAKE the way that other people follow. If you need someone to tell you what to do, you are simply not cut out to be an entrepreneur. You're still welcome to try, but you're going to have to come to terms that there there's a 90% chance your business will die horribly due to mistakes you made, even if you work your ass off. So you can easily waste 10 years and come out behind.

      > A supportive environment that pushes you towards a course of action is incredibly important, and that's something guys have and Google is trying to re-create for women.

      A supportive environment is great. But I don't see how man-free is "supportive" of anything, because they won't get any helpful advice from the many men who would be more than happy to help or advise someone no matter what gender they happen to be.

      Do you really think most men like being excluded? Of course, I'm sure this entire post will get labeled as mysogyny by some, even though you don't actually know which gender I am, and even though I, unlike many here, have mentored women on electronics and programming.

    9. Re: Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We went women?

    10. Re: Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the female entrepreneurs I have met have literally been given businesses and socially engineer the more successful men around them to help out to the point of actually building the businesses and doing the work for them.

      I've recently been asked by 2 different entrepreneurial women to create a product for them off the back of my existing product line and then market it for them in exchange for a split of the profits.

      These women are products of these female only tech camps like this. Sure they get motivated and inspired but they can't run the last mile with out being carried by a man.

    11. Re:Quotas by quantaman · · Score: 1

      > The fact that when you have a mixed group people just automatically assume one of the guys in the leader.

      That's not really much of an advantage.

      It isn't? How do you think people end up in management? How do you think they get the idea that they have leadership skills?

      > That there's a lot more successful guys to mentor younger guys than there are successful women to mentor young women.

      There's zero reason, other than bigotry, to assume that people need a same-gender mentor. Do you think it's okay for people to say they're not comfortable around women? If yes, then how is that different from being "uncomfortable" around black people?

      Mixed gender is fine, but same gender gives them the ability to effectively council them about gender-specific issues. It also reduces worries that an older man mentoring a younger woman will be perceived to have ulterior motives.

      That's two non-bigotry reasons.

      > Or all the legitimate misogynists who have a real problem with the prospect of a female superior.

      And every legitimate problem someone has with a female superior will get blamed on mysogyny.

      Only if they express their concerns in misogynist terms.

      > Or how uncomfortable it can be working in an industry that can be really hostile to women.

      So you don't think that saying "you have a penis, you're not welcome at demo day" is hostile?

      No because there's lots of different high quality demo days for guys to attend.

      > Or the very powerful fact when you're a guy you're surrounded by examples of male leaders and entrepreneurs to serve as examples and validation, while a woman is in much more uncertain territory.

      Entrepreneurs don't need someone to show them the way, they MAKE the way that other people follow. If you need someone to tell you what to do, you are simply not cut out to be an entrepreneur. You're still welcome to try, but you're going to have to come to terms that there there's a 90% chance your business will die horribly due to mistakes you made, even if you work your ass off. So you can easily waste 10 years and come out behind.

      Very inspirational. And irrelevant.

      You can become a world champion sprinter without a coach or training group. You could easily get all the expertise you need online, you could probably get a hold of a world class coach and have them train you over the internet.

      Yet somehow all these world champion sprinters have coaches and training groups.

      > A supportive environment that pushes you towards a course of action is incredibly important, and that's something guys have and Google is trying to re-create for women.

      A supportive environment is great. But I don't see how man-free is "supportive" of anything, because they won't get any helpful advice from the many men who would be more than happy to help or advise someone no matter what gender they happen to be.

      This is a single event, not a new Silicon Valley with a "no boys allowed" sign up front. It's not even female-only, the only requirement is they're founded by women. There are still men in attendance in every other role, including members of the start ups.

      Do you really think most men like being excluded?

      Why would a guy give a crap about being excluded from this event? It's one event. It's not like they took their premiere demo event and made it female-only. This is a special edition made for women and put there so people who want to support woman founded companies have that opportunity.

      Of course, I'm sure this entire post will get labeled as mysogyny by some, even though you don't actually know which gender I am, and even though I, unlike many here, have mentored women on electronics and programming.

      I don't care what gender you are except to the extent that your gender provides you with some specific insight (and if you have some you didn't reference it).

      Women are just as capable of being wrong as men (though less likely to err on the side of MRAs).

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    12. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mixed gender is fine, but same gender gives them the ability to effectively council them about gender-specific issues.

      There is no such thing as gender-specific issue in entrepreneurship, or technologies, or programming, etc. My penis do not empower my enterprises to be more competitive. Penises has no such power. Women need to stop being jealous of our penises, they do not grant us special powers that help us succeed in any way. When we are successful it is because of our hard work and perseverance. Something I have yet to see any women display. All they do is bitch and moan about how misogyny is keeping them down.

      If you truly care about more women being successful you need to stop promoting feminism.

    13. Re:Quotas by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Most top scientists are white males, but that doesn't mean black females are just genetically inferior. It just means that history has provided more opportunities to develop talent to white males.

      Of course, long ago it was mostly middle eastern males, or Greek males, or Chinese males, depending on who had opportunity at the time.

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    14. Re:Quotas by quantaman · · Score: 1

      When we are successful it is because of our hard work and perseverance. Something I have yet to see any women display. All they do is bitch and moan about how misogyny is keeping them down.

      Simultaneously denying the effects of misogyny while claiming to have never seen a woman display "hard work and perseverance".

      Do I file that under oblivious or ironic?

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    15. Re:Quotas by dousk · · Score: 1

      All I read is 'feelings'.

    16. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just means that history has provided more opportunities to develop talent to white males.

      Or that white males have had more incentive to develop talent. In practice, I suspect both effects are at work: being white gets you more opportunities, and being male gives you more incentive (since you don't have the option of finding a rich spouse to support you if you fail).

    17. Re:Quotas by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Men get all those things. That's the default state of most of these things, 90%+ male and sometimes 100%.

      It's not really an advantage though, men are worse off because of it.

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    18. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why am I not shocked any more to read SJWs misinterpret good points in order to make an emotional message filled with unnecessary contempt?

      To "even" the playing field by refusing to extend advantages to others based solely on gender or race is just wrong. The right way is to ensure all who wish it have equal access. Work to reduce roadblocks, not present golden highways meant only for certain races or genders every time some quota isn't being met.

      SJWs are on the wrong side of history. All good people must speak out against their bigotry, and against emotion that buries facts. We must remove their censorship and regain a fair media.

    19. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It isn't? How do you think people end up in management? How do you think they get the idea that they have leadership skills?

      They rally others around them and get experience in leadership roles. You can get elected leader from simply being liked by everyone. I have--and I don't go around telling everyone my gender so that wasn't a factor to begin with.

      > Mixed gender is fine, but same gender gives them the ability to effectively council them about gender-specific issues. It also reduces worries that an older man mentoring a younger woman will be perceived to have ulterior motives.

      Your ability as an entrepreneur hinges on being able to convince people of stuff. That's not gender-specific, that's a matter of communication and getting stuff done. The way you deal what people think of you is to stop giving a damn. It doesn't matter. If you're successful, they'll change their tune, anyhow.

      > Only if they express their concerns in misogynist terms.

      Once someone throws those words out there, the well is poisoned. Doesn't matter what the complaint was or why, some people will automatically support the non-male side because they don't want to take blame.

      > Yet somehow all these world champion sprinters have coaches and training groups.

      Yeah, and they're not segregated by gender, either, now are they? Also, sports are totally different. Running is more or less the same for everyone. There are certain mechanics to master and training regimens and you adjust a bit for your body. There's no such thing for a startup. There is no map. There's no one to tell you how to make your product. There's no one with a crystal ball to tell you which decisions kill your business and which won't. There's plenty of good advice, but you have a 90% failure rate. At least with sports, you can tell whether you're improving things or not by comparing your scores or times or what have you. With a business, you might make a good short term decision that utterly screws you later.

      > This is a single event, not a new Silicon Valley with a "no boys allowed" sign up front. It's not even female-only, the only requirement is they're founded by women. There are still men in attendance in every other role, including members of the start ups.

      It's part of a trend and it's hardly the first or the last. You're still discriminating based on an accident of birth and it becomes indistinguishable for solo founders, though they probably don't want to fund those anyhow, just because solo founding a company usually turns out badly.

      > Why would a guy give a crap about being excluded from this event?

      Because it's part of a pattern and people hold a double-standard. I don't see it as any different than watching the next KKK form.

      > I don't care what gender you are except to the extent that your gender provides you with some specific insight (and if you have some you didn't reference it).

      Gender doesn't inform anyone of anything. That's my point. It's a totally irrelevant accident of birth. Doing things that divide people based on it is ridiculous. Turning genders into teams is absurd. I didn't mention it because it doesn't even matter. So including or excluding people based on something like that is simply wrong.

    20. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you even know what misogyny mean? Not seen most women work as hard as most men do not mean hatred of women. You been trolling a lot today, maybe you should take a break. Also stop sipping the koolaid, it's killing you.

    21. Re:Quotas by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Moderation timeline of your post:

      Early mods arrive: +5 Insightful
      MRA mods arrive: -1 Troll / Overrated
      Metamods arrive: Insightful again

      Happens on every story about women.

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    22. Re:Quotas by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      (since you don't have the option of finding a rich spouse to support you if you fail).

      Hey, don't disparage my five-year plan.

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    23. Re:Quotas by dj245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's always been clear why women aren't competitive with men at the 100-meter dash, but it's not clear why women aren't competitive with men at professional poker.

      Most likely it's the testosterone.

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    24. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I am not a misogynist and have rarely ever seen a woman working on anything hard. And whenever I've seen one, I've felt positively and incredibly impressed, because that is something that women do not do. Normal women I have met refuse to do things as simple as using ladders because it looks difficult and dangerous, and prefer to ask other people to do the task instead.

      And that is why women distrust other women's capabilities even more than men, because they have spent a lot of their lifetime around other women and perfectly know that this happens, most women simply do not put effort on things, because they can get away with it. All the professional women who are competent have been time and time again against the sexist concept of quotas, because they really do not want to deal with those kind of women at work.

      And by the way, women left the computer science industry not because of sexism, but because in just a few years it stopped being easy and with everything previously laid out, requiring only following simple instructions and not having to innovate or improvise.

    25. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being white does not get you more opportunities. There are plenty of "social tribes" composed primarily by white people (for example, skin heads) that are known to be "problematic", and if you look like one of them be assured that you will not pass a job interview.

      USA is a special case because the "social tribes" that no one wants near their homes have an almost perfect correlation with specific cultures, some of them with high correlation with specific races, partly because people from those races are racist and do not mix with other cultures, forming ghettos. The circumstances make easy to dishonest politicians that want to fish votes to blame all protests against those delinquents as racism, when it is pretty obvious that the problem is not of racism, but that the "group identity" of those "social tribes" is incredibly toxic.

      So, by a coincidence, the scum in USA happen to have lots of latino or black members, but in other countries their niche is filled with white people and they are equally despised. The difference is that at least the scum in those countries is honest enough to not play the racist card everytime they get arrested. They instead use the 'fascist" card.

    26. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also reduces worries that an older man mentoring a younger woman will be perceived to have ulterior motives.

      See how the hostile gender stereotyping can go both ways? I wonder how many men *would* mentor and encourage women and girls do what they want, but are reluctant to incite this sort of suspicion?

      captcha: ladylike

    27. Re:Quotas by ranton · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of "social tribes" composed primarily by white people (for example, skin heads) that are known to be "problematic", and if you look like one of them be assured that you will not pass a job interview.

      No one is claiming you cannot throw away your opportunities with poor choices.

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    28. Re:Quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a single event, not a new Silicon Valley with a "no boys allowed" sign up front. It's not even female-only, the only requirement is they're founded by women. There are still men in attendance in every other role, including members of the start ups.

      ...

      Why would a guy give a crap about being excluded from this event? It's one event.

      Just for fun, here's another one. It's a professional meetup - the classic "business networking" kind of event that led to the sexual desegregation of country clubs - happening today in San Francisco. The description is pretty blunt: "Sorry, no men allowed".

  6. Google by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 0, Troll

    Not trying to flame - not being a Jerk, just pointing out a disconnect at Google HQ.

    What if one of those Female Entrepreneurs sold confederate merchandise in her "Bring Back the Dukes of Hazard" store?

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    1. Re:Google by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Not trying to flame - not being a Jerk, just pointing out a disconnect at Google HQ.
      What if one of those Female Entrepreneurs sold confederate merchandise in her "Bring Back the Dukes of Hazard" store?

      Well then obviously the Patriarchy made her do it.

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    2. Re:Google by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      tbh I think you're trying to flame.

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  7. It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to give people with a handicap a chance to prove themselves. So they have the special/paralympics. Now we have everyone on a level playing field, it's completely fair that the gold medalist is almost never going to set a world record. He just needs to be the best amongst other handicapped individuals. It's not expected because we know it's unfair to judge someone who is handicapped by the same standards as someone who doesn't have a handicap. We can't ask a runner to grow a leg to replace the one they're missing, for example.

    So, you see, google understands that women just aren't as capable as men at these things. This is why they make sure they offer support to them by way of reducing the competition so only other handicapped individuals (women) compete against each other. It would be unfair to ask a woman to become as smart as a man, just as it is unfair to ask a quadriplegic to walk. It's just not reasonably possible.

    Or, am I missing the point here? I am supposed to get out of this that being a woman is a handicap and we should show some empathy towards them, right?

    (Note: I'm being sarcastic. I really do believe women are equal to men and find the idea of woman only awards in the tech industry repugnant and degrading).

    1. Re:It's like the special olympics by chipschap · · Score: 1

      I can see that if there are cultural or societal issues that make women less likely to be entrepreneurial, then perhaps an event of this nature can send a message that women do indeed participate and compete in such endeavors. That's all well and good and I have no problem with it. Maybe it will encourage more women to cast aside incorrect stereotypes.

      But as others have said, let's never send a message that women aren't as good and need extra help to be successful. That's horribly condescending, unfair, and just plain untrue.

    2. Re:It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really do believe women are equal to men and find the idea of woman only awards in the tech industry repugnant and degrading.

      Men and women are not equal. We have different strengths. There's a reason humanity has two sexes, with different roles, instead of one.
      The point of separating the two during competitions is to make it more interesting for everyone. Watching a game you already know the outcome beforehand isn't fun. Even chess has a championship only for women, there's nothing wrong with that.

    3. Re:It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point is taken for sports and other items where physical build will make a difference.

      However, chess seems like a bad example to me and just more of the same. We've had plenty of scientific proof that men's and women's minds are generally alike, ignoring the sex-specific portions. And if you include those parts, it doesn't affect intelligence levels.

      I just don't see the point in having separate competitions when the difference makes no difference. To me it seems like having a black 100 m sprint and a white 100 m sprint. It's just insulting and only serves to put a pointless division between people.

    4. Re:It's like the special olympics by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      To your chess example, two words: Judit Polgar.

      Was the only woman to ever beat Kasparov.
      At her peak, was the #8 chess player in the world.

      And...mostly refused to play women-only tournaments.

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    5. Re:It's like the special olympics by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      To your chess example, two words: Judit Polgar.

      I remember reading an interview with her in some chess magazine. My brother was a very keen chess player and rather good (obviously not *that* good). I wasn't but I went to quite a number of tournaments (yeah! slogging it out on the bottom board of the minor---someone's gotta do it), but often had uh... a rather long wait between games.

      Anyway, in answer to one question she quipped that she'd never beaten a well man, or words to that effect. IOW every win (well probably not every, but a very significant number) came with excuses for the opponent's loss.

      Anyway, IME, chess tournaments are also full of some deeply strange people. Not necessarily bad, but not exactly on the "normally socalised" end of things.

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    6. Re:It's like the special olympics by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I think anyone who reaches the top of their field, no matter what field, is deeply strange and on some level has problems relating to the rest of us mortals. Because in order to achieve that level of focus on that one thing, one must be able to block other things out. It probably acts to the detriment of other skills that everyone else needs to get along with the rest of the planet, who weren't born with natural talents and need to compensate somehow.

      Polgar, as I understand it, is a chess prodigy, who could beat experts when she was a child, with her back turned to the board no less. Her two sisters are ranked highly in the chess world as well, though more among women. That having been said, her parents sought out to prove the three girls could be chess masters by starting them training at an early age. If you're not a completely maladjusted weirdo by virtue of the fact that your parents openly stated that they made you into an experiment in subject mastery, you're doing all right.

      But you don't get to be the #8 player in the world by being mediocre. Maybe I don't know enough about chess that I don't know how much of her modestly comes across as false, but there's only so much social engineering and opponent wrangling that you can do before the cracks in your talent show. But then again, we could discuss Ronda Rousey as well...

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    7. Re:It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " To me it seems like having a black 100 m sprint and a white 100 m sprint. It's just insulting and only serves to put a pointless division between people."

      Blacks have more fast-twitch muscle than whites do and thus dominate sprints. No amount of training is going to change that. There is a reason that all the 100m sprinters are black and all have ancestry from a small region in Africa. It isn't personal, it is genetic. The same applies to men and women. It is just genetics.

    8. Re:It's like the special olympics by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No you misunderstand. The minors are just as full as deeply strange people as the major and open.

      I have never met her and I've no idea if she's weird, but I played plenty of strange, not very good chess players at tournaments. Hell I've been one of the really weird people at chess tournaments.

      I'm not sure what you mean by false modesty. Perhaps you're referring to something I've not read.

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    9. Re:It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read more into the history, those girls were purposely an experiment to test a theory of one man, who developed a method to raise geniuses and contacted a woman to get test subjects: their own children. The father was actually disheartened that he only got daughters, because a boy would have been a perfect chess genius.
      So, most of the talent of those girls does not come from them, but from their father. Moreover, those girls got bored of playing competitive chess and left the scene, so most of the efforts of his father were for naught.

    10. Re:It's like the special olympics by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Maybe I misread what you originally wrote, but what you wrote reads as though she may have some sort of false modesty about her (your words: "came with excuses for the opponent's loss").

      For a player of her caliber, that's the very definition of false modesty.

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    11. Re:It's like the special olympics by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      For a player of her caliber, that's the very definition of false modesty.

      I think you're misinterpreting. I don't remember the precise words (it was decades ago), but the meaning was quite clear in that almost every man she beat would come up with some excuse about not being entirely well or on form etc etc.

      That's not false modesty, it's an observation about the top players not wanting to admit they got beaten fair and square by a girl.

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    12. Re:It's like the special olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And...mostly refused to play women-only tournaments.

      And if the chess federation had enforced a rule that she couldn't play in "men only" tournaments would that be just fine since a man couldn't play in a "woman only" tournament.

  8. GAME OVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider Mexico's unique e-commerce challenges ADDRESSED!!!

  9. Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's a fellow at work who keeps going on and on about how great the Rust programming language is. He keeps raving about how its community is totally diverse, how it has a code of conduct, how there's a team that goes after people who don't follow the code of conduct, and how it's the most progressive programming language community he has ever been a part of. Yet when I go look at the contributors to Rust, I see one male after another. Why are so many Rust contributors men? If the project is so inclusive, tolerant, and open to everyone then why aren't there more women contributing to Rust?

    1. Re:Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe only men are stupid enough to work on yet another variation of C?

    2. Re: Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dey mrdeturd me & im almozt died.

    3. Re: Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only rapist a re republicanz b

    4. Re:Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because women are smart enough to not contribute to a language that is controlled by a single corporate entity and will be gone in 5 years after that corporation gets bored with it and moves on to something else.

    5. Re:Why are most of the Rust contributors men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple : It's easy enough to learn, so women can use it too.

  10. Cool by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now that women have their own safe space we can expect some amazing innovation to follow. But if we don't, I wonder what the next excuse will be?

    1. Re:Cool by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So now that women have their own safe space we can expect some amazing innovation to follow. But if we don't, I wonder what the next excuse will be?

      Spherical Cows?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    2. Re:Cool by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Depression Quest.

    3. Re:Cool by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Why do you expect more from women? Men have had spaces and opportunities forever, and most of them produced mediocre crap that no one remembers now.

      People forget that for every Uber or Twitter there are 1000 other platforms that failed. That's how it works, lots of people failing but a few turning into billion dollar businesses.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    4. Re:Cool by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >Why do you expect more from women?

      I don't, its women who do. It was women who said that if it wasn't for all the nasty misogyny everywhere that women would prove themselves actually better than men. But I'm a reasonable guy, with safe spaces and free this and that, and sexist women only funding, I'd happy if they were to produce one tenth that of men. But ten thousand years of evolution wouldn't bet on it.

    5. Re:Cool by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      So now that women have their own safe space we can expect some amazing innovation to follow. But if we don't, I wonder what the next excuse will be?

      Because women have never achieved amazing innovation? http://www.entrepreneur.com/ar...
      http://www.investopedia.com/ar...
      http://womenshistory.about.com...

      If you haven't been as accomplished as these women...I have to ask...what's your bloody excuse?

      --
      blindly antisocialist = antisocial
    6. Re:Cool by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You are going to have to specify which women said that. There are 3.5 billion of them, and it's not a mainstream point of view, so we need to know who said it and why you are holding this group to that standard.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:Cool by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 1

      The assertion that women can do anything a man can, only better, is the core tenant of feminism. But you know this already, and prefer to feign ignorance rather than admit what you've been taught is wrong.

    8. Re:Cool by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sounds like you're arguing that women have already surpassed men in technology, and if so then why do they need special safe spaces?

    9. Re:Cool by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, you have been misinformed. Feminism is the pursuit of equality for women, based on the theory that women are different but equally valued as human beings.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    10. Re:Cool by sociocapitalist · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're arguing that women have already surpassed men in technology, and if so then why do they need special safe spaces?

      No Joe, my point was more personal. I am 'arguing' that there are women that have surpassed you, specifically, and that, as such, you, specifically, should not be so ready to criticize women as being generally incapable of amazing innovation.

      So what have you, specifically, innovated in technology that you are so ready to denigrate others?

      --
      blindly antisocialist = antisocial
    11. Re:Cool by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Feminism is the pursuit of equality for women, based on the theory that women are different but equally valued as human beings.

      The label, however, is used by many people to describe their particular flavor of hate. For example, the pursuit of superiority for women, or even just the pursuit of equality for women based on the notion that all things are all men's fault. And as a label for equality, it is especially crap, seeing as how it is inherently feminine. Feminism is more properly the pursuit of additional rights for women. There is nothing wrong with that, except when people use the name as an excuse for some bullshit.

      There are clearly many kinds of feminism, just like there's many kinds of most sorts of activism. To claim otherwise is to fall into the no true scotsman fallacy.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    12. Re:Cool by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You don't understand what the No True Scotsman fallacy is. For it to be that, the person must clearly be part of a well defined group. In the example the person is from Scotland, with Scottish parents and citizenship.

      You can't make it work the other way around, i.e. arbitrarily defining the nature of Scottishness to fit the person in question. Feminism is well defined by decades of work on the subject, and anyone arguing that women are superior to men is by definition an anti-feminist.

      I think it would really help if you tried to understand the difference between "men" and "masculinity" too. One is a gender, the other is a model of behaviour.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    13. Re:Cool by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You can't make it work the other way around, i.e. arbitrarily defining the nature of Scottishness to fit the person in question. Feminism is well defined by decades of work on the subject, and anyone arguing that women are superior to men is by definition an anti-feminist.

      You could say the same thing about Christianity, and you'd be just as wrong. Technically, you're not a capital-C-Christian if you don't take on the Holy Trinity ever since Nicea. And while you might technically not be a feminist if you blame everything on men, you can still call yourself one and go to meetings.

      I think it would really help if you tried to understand the difference between "men" and "masculinity" too.

      I'm not the one with the problem with it.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    14. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feminism is the pursuit of equality for women,

      I thought it was about bullying computer gamers.

    15. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a real problem connecting the dots. But you're somewhat decent at ad hominems.

    16. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are tens of thousands of men that have surpassed anything that any woman alive has done and that is held up as why we live in a patriarchal society fueled by misogyny. Why, when the situation is reversed, you claim that the problem is still patriarchy. That is an insane rectification of consequence to fit your narrative boogeyman. You even admit to how irrational you are:

      No Joe, my point was more personal.

      You claim one person, whom is presumably not the pinnacle of achievement, does not have the right to critical analysis of others while simultaneously stating another single person, yourself, is in the same situation but does have the right that you gladly deny to others. A clearly hypocritical, personal attack that you admit is a personal attack.

      You really need to spend some time thinking about how far you have gotten off the path of rational, moral, intellectualism the next time you look at yourself in a mirror. Really look at yourself and think about how far you are from where you think you are.

  11. And the local men weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to prove that there is no significant difference in the maturity level of Slashdot and 4chan. None.

    1. Re:And the local men weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      4chan is infested with SJWs now. I would say /. is still significantly more mature than that wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    2. Re:And the local men weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because it's ok for women (and men) to stereotype, generalize, and demonize men en masse at work, school, and in the media, but not ok for men to comment on anything related to women, right? Gotta love social 'justice.'

    3. Re:And the local men weigh in... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      remember that men are defective women...

    4. Re:And the local men weigh in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah but /. has significantly less interesting discussion than 4chan. And oddly enough 4chan is (or was) greater referenced.

      One of the larger problems here is even the act of questioning the validity of women only event is seen as misogyny. 4chan bears no such illusion and has unbridled misogyny and questioning.

      That aiming a critical eye at women preferencing events gets tag with misogyny here is nothing more than an attempt at censorship; that people could even think that separate class doesn't support greater equality.

    5. Re:And the local men weigh in... by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 1

      For any discussion worth reading I go to "The Right Stuff.biz".

  12. yay for sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay for sexism passing as 'social justice.'

    1. Re:yay for sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three cheers for corporate-sactioned bigotry! Hup, hup, hurrah!

    2. Re:yay for sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The brand of social justice that the SJWs push has always been sexist. They wouldn't know actual justice if it bit them in the ass.

    3. Re:yay for sexism by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      political: of, relating to, or involving the state or its government -- not the kindest way to describe someone but not inherently a bad thing.

      correctness: the quality of conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate -- not at all a bad thing.

      politically correct(PC): polite; respectful; considerate of the feelings or sensibilities of others -- terribly bad, evil, oppressive

      I'll leave 'social justice' as an exercise for the readers.

      tl;dr "Youse is moydering da King's English." Curly Howard

      --
      Fifty years of Yippie! 1968-2018
  13. It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bridgit? You do know he's a dude, right? Look's like Google's been fooled.

  14. Re:REPENT by x0ra · · Score: 1

    Try to make me submit, you'll face the cold muzzle of a rifle pointed at you.

  15. The reason this ISN'T sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Historically, certain groups based on gender and race have faced institutional discrimination that prevents them from pursuing opportunities available to others. When those barriers are removed, it doesn't automatically mean there's equal opportunity. The effects of discrimination on income and education mean that the playing field isn't anywhere close to level. For there to be equal opportunity, you have to bring those who were discriminated against up to the level of everyone else. Affirmative action is a temporary measure to undo the damage from past discrimination so there is equal opportunity.

    I've generalized this message because it goes beyond women's issues. Slavery and Jim Crow laws in the US put African-Americans at a tremendous disadvantage where they were denied good education, employment, and so many other opportunities. Eliminating those institutions of racism doesn't mean that the people who were discriminated against for so long magically get the education and jobs that would allow them equal opportunity. Unless efforts are made to undo the effects of racism, the effects will persist for generations. That's what we're seeing in the US right now, where although the barriers that created the inequality no longer exist, there most certainly isn't equal opportunity.

    And in the case of STEM fields and entrepreneurship, women don't have equal opportunity. Men aren't targeted with affirmative action in these areas because they aren't starting at a disadvantage. There are certainly areas where affirmative action has gone too far and tilted the playing field in the opposite direction, but that's not the case here. Affirmative action is a temporary measure for the purpose of restoring equal opportunity after discrimination.

    1. Re:The reason this ISN'T sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slavery and Jim Crow laws in the US put African-Americans at a tremendous disadvantage where they were denied good education, employment, and so many other opportunities.

      Yes, slavery was bad. There's a compelling case to be made that what the US government did to black people was as bad as what the Nazis did to Jews. Of course, the Nazi persecution of the Jews was notable for it's intensity. But the Nazi extermination camps were only in operation for a couple years towards the end of WWII. On the other hand, black people in the USA were subjected to somewhere around a century of slavery - depending how you count.

      Eliminating those institutions of racism doesn't mean that the people who were discriminated against for so long magically get the education and jobs that would allow them equal opportunity. Unless efforts are made to undo the effects of racism, the effects will persist for generations.

      Yes, generally speaking, the children of black parents will also be black. So, for characteristics that children inherit from their parents, there is some case to be made for effects persisting over generations.

      On the other hand, I would hardly consider Obama's daughter to have been born into a situation of disadvantage. And, despite the Nazis, people like Bill Gates and Natalie Portman seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. There are limits to heredity.

      But, more to the point, gender is not inherited. Male parents have female children and female parents have male children. Rich fathers provide privileged upbringings for their daughter and poor mothers provide disadvantaged upbringings to their sons. So, it's really not clear how this privilege and disadvantage are supposed to be passed down over the generations.

      That's what we're seeing in the US right now, where although the barriers that created the inequality no longer exist, there most certainly isn't equal opportunity.

      And in the case of STEM fields and entrepreneurship, women don't have equal opportunity.

      There's a compelling "Rawlesian" thought experiment to test for privilege and disadvantage: ask yourself how willing you would be to exchange places with a randomly selected member of that class. Or, similarly, ask yourself how you would feel if your children were born into that class.

      Personally, I don't find the idea of being born a woman all that scary. I probably wouldn't want to be born black - because black people do still face some discrimination. But the class I really would not want to be born into is poverty. When I see a homeless person, that's when I really think "Wow, I hope I don't end up like that!"

      That's not to say that there aren't things that could be done to make things better for women in the USA - or even that the USA shouldn't do those things. But, wow, when it comes to which classes of people are most disadvantaged, women in the USA are way down the list. If we are going to try to help people who are genuinely disadvantaged then women in the USA are not the place to start.

    2. Re:The reason this ISN'T sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "bringing people up" to a "level" is systemic privilege. Like any other humans, these people will then fight to retain their privilege, now under the guise of 'social justice.' This is why your argument is hypocritical. Affirmative action is a power grab. The true power of any tyrant is in dispensing privilege to some while withholding it from most. This was what the soviets did. Equal opportunity does not guarantee success.

      Slavery is dead. Yet why do we keep hearing about it? No one is alive who owned slaves, was a slave, or knew anyone in their families who was enslaved. Yet, it is a constant narrative. We're supposed to believe nothing has changed since ancient history. Bullshit.

      Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcome. Forcing equal outcome by undercutting and discriminating against those who do the best work is hypocritical and society suffers as a result.

      If anything, thanks to all this activism, women now have MORE opportunity in stem than men do. If a woman wants a STEM career there is nothing stopping her. Universities will roll out red carpets for those with vaginas while men have to go into debt. Women now make up more than 50% of the campus population. Feminist response? "A victory for women." Sexist as fuck. Rape 'tribunals'? Warlock hunts.

  16. "startup" = app idea by globaljustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Tech entrepreneurs" of whatever gender are mostly just rich/connected people with an idea for an app and either are personal friends with or hire someone to actually make the beast.

    90% of "tech startups" are "apps" of some time or have them as a major part of what they do.

    It was different back in the day.

    In the US, typically the person with the money wanted to be the "investor" and the "entrepreneur" was the same as the inventor or coder.

    Old-school rich people showed off by being able to choose the right person to invest in, nowadays the new-school rich show off by *being* the person at the top of the investment, at least publicly.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
  17. contests are for the rich to make fun of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More than 450 women from 40 different counties applied for a spot,

    "but the real competition was which one was hot enough to have a little fun with and make indebted to us, but not in a position to make us pay for it" said an unnamed executive, while leering at all the pageant contestants

  18. Please don't say the F word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly why do women need to be treated like they don't have the ability to survive it on their own? Someone, please show is the numbers/evidence, I dare you to talk about pay inequality, I triple dog dare you! I dare you to talk about any of the crap that used to be the problem 60 years ago! This nonsense REALLY needs to stop. the coddling needs to stop, the protecting needs to stop. women entrepreneurs are just fine by themselves. If REAL discrimination is occurring, like other crime, it should be dealt with on a case by case basis.

    1. Re:Please don't say the F word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen that survivor show in which a team of men and a team of women where each put on one island to see how well they would fare?

      The organizers had to tell some of the men to go to the women island and help them because after three days they had not manage to do even the most basic of tasks, and were having a really hard time.

  19. Good for google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women clearly can't compete with men in a competition of startup ideas, so I think that having a special woman-only event is only fair. After all, you wouldn't force kids from the special olympics with actual olympians. You'd give them their own olympics.

  20. what about a special nigga day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where niggas congregate and show off their inventions to google?

  21. Discussions of discrimination aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...isn't this more than a little patronizing?

  22. More sexual discrimination by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More special privileges for women -- as if they didn't have enough already -- and more discrimination against men. I'm getting really, really tired of this, especially when I see my son excluded from one educational opportunity after another solely because of his sex.

    1. Re:More sexual discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh but these poor fragile little creatures with their soft fertile bodies need to be cared for... #FACEPALM.

    2. Re:More sexual discrimination by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Have you considered suing? If your son really is disadvantaged then you would have a good case and could probably get someone to pay your legal fees or work pro-bono.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    3. Re:More sexual discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is already happening. Although to be fair it is about race not gender. But the arguments are the same. e.g. %X wants diversity, %Y thinks discrimination, etc.

      The whole point of affirmative action is to end, right? Once there is equal opportunity (NOT OUTCOME) then the goal has been reached and affirmative action should end. My guess is that more of these lawsuits will appear because imho we have equal opportunity.

    4. Re:More sexual discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would be laughed out of court for not having a vagina.

    5. Re:More sexual discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And get doxxed and swatted by the army of people chomping at the bit to go after anyone that so much as does not applaud women and girl-only initiatives? No. There is rational fear in standing up against anti-male sexism. Even politicians and judges have been ruined by the slightest misstep of words let alone legal action.

  23. Re:REPENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try to make me submit, you'll face the cold muzzle of a rifle pointed at you.

    Someone's Internet bravado just kicked into overdrive...

  24. Never the twain by taylorius · · Score: 1

    I don't think men and women are ever meant to see eye to eye. Each sex finds the other intoxicating and infuriating in equal amount. However I do think this perpetual turbulence must help us thrive as a species somehow.

    Or maybe we're just the Gods' reality show, and the producers made us this way to "stir up some trouble", and make it more interesting. :-)

    1. Re:Never the twain by Joe.Neebler · · Score: 1

      No, the producers stirring up trouble are very much here on earth, and all members of a certain hostile tribe.

    2. Re:Never the twain by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't think men and women are ever meant to see eye to eye. Each sex finds the other intoxicating and infuriating in equal amount.

      Speak for yourself. There are plenty of women I see eye to eye with and plenty of men I don't. Since I figured out that feemales are people and in fact I wasn't going to attempt to initiate sexy times with the vast vast majority of them it became much simpler and easier.

      The people I tend to see eye to eye with best on average are fellow nerds because that's who I have most in common with on the whole. I'm never going to get along with male dude bro's or the kind of man who considers lager and football to be the pinnacle of life.

      There's far, far more variation between men than the average differences between men and women.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    3. Re:Never the twain by taylorius · · Score: 1

      You make a good distinction. I should have been clearer that I was considering men and women statistically as a group. (Also that I was talking about heterosexual people).

      Given the above, then as you say, there is certainly enormous variation within a random collection of men. What there isn't however, is any sexual tension between members of that group. My claim is that it is this extra ingredient that causes so much of the trouble between men and women.

    4. Re:Never the twain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I figured out that feemales are people

      Are you perhaps a progressive Ferengi?

  25. But "Exempt" employees don't get overtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, "Exempt" sounds GREEEEAT. I thought it when I first heard it too, like you have some sort of Presidential Immunity to be a bad ass. But it only means you don't get paid overtime, even when you work overtime. Most IT people are "Exempt". http://topics.hrhero.com/exemp...

  26. Re:Why do some men hate women so much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my opinion more women hate women, than men. You should be addressing misogynist women of slashdot.

  27. Shouldn't it be a special week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, for that 'special time' that the lady programmers need?

  28. Google Bans Men From Special Demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True headline

  29. Re:REPENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A nerd usually has the physical power of a girl, does not get any of the advantages of being an alpha man, has all the societal disadvantages of being a man, and none of the societal advantages of being a woman. Most of them have been physically and mentally bullied in ways that would be totally unacceptable if the victim had been a girl.

    So, when they hear from stupid rich girls that they are somehow oppressed in this society, and that as compensation they should get lots of free benefits just for their sex, and that men should be punished and discriminated in jobs just for being men, they can get very angry.

    Men are expected to work hard to get money for them and their wives, even if their wife does not work. Yet not a single woman, even the most feminist one, will ever support a man who does not work. I've seen plenty of studies and they all show total opposition to the idea. In most countries, after a divorce is the man the one that is forced to pay a monthly salary to his ex-wife or go to jail, even if the ex-wife has a job and the man does not (which was in every case the reason behind the divorce, always initiated by the woman).

  30. Next will be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Special Demo Day for LGBT Entrepreneurs
    Special Demo Day for Muslim Entrepreneurs
    Special Demo Day for Brown Entrepreneurs
    Special Demo Day for Yellow Entrepreneurs
    Special Demo Day for Black Entrepreneurs ...

  31. Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, in this case, men are not actually being hurt in any way....I'm looking forward to the tortured logic that tires to claim it is though.

    No tortured logic required, just a reversal of roles. Suppose the event had been organized such that women were excluded? This would be regarded by almost everyone to be sexist discrimination that denied women a fair opportunity to demonstrate their talents to Google and thus it harms them. If this is true for women if then, by symmetry it applies to men when they are excluded. To argue otherwise would be to claim the sexism does not harm those it is biased against.

    There may be a more subtle bias elsewhere which harms women but surely the society we want to strive for is where nobody's chances of success are harmed by their gender not one where we strive to harm everyone equally? The solution to sexism is to identify it and fix it not to be equally sexist in reverse. As the old saying goes "two wrongs do not make a right".

    1. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There can only be symmetry if you assume than women have an equal opportunity in this area. As the premise stated, and you conveniently ignored, that is not the case.

      See what I mean about tortured logic? You have to use a straw man to make your counter point.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you have the false premise that there is a lack of equal opportunity. Of course sound bites promoting an agenda based off ideology is better than actual evidence.

    3. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by ranton · · Score: 1

      Simple logic: sexism is wrong ... No tortured logic required

      The problem isn't tortured logic, it is simplistic understanding of what makes discrimination and sexism bad. When people complain about reverse sexism, racism, etc. they are usually making the mistake that all discrimination is bad. This is because colloquially we add the same connotations to the words discriminate and prejudice. Prejudices lead to poor discriminating behavior. But discriminating behavior can be very beneficial when it allows people to more efficiently make choices and create change.

      It is valid to make an argument that women have just as much opportunity as men and do not need these programs. I believe the evidence shows this is an overwhelmingly wrong argument, but not intellectually dishonest. Claiming something is wrong just because it includes discriminating behavior is not a valid argument by itself, as it is quite intellectually dishonest. Unless prejudice against men is found (aka, they aren't being included because they are deemed inferior) then claiming discrimination here is very misleading.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    4. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is valid to make an argument that women have just as much opportunity as men and do not need these programs. I believe the evidence shows this is an overwhelmingly wrong argument, but not intellectually dishonest.

      Could you be so kind to actually mention that evidence that shows that "this is an overwhelmingly wrong argument", unless it's just the fact that there are more than X% of people of gender A in particular field.

    5. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by ranton · · Score: 1

      Could you be so kind to actually mention that evidence that shows that "this is an overwhelmingly wrong argument", unless it's just the fact that there are more than X% of people of gender A in particular field.

      While you probably won't take the time to read any of these and/or will claim all research you disagree with is biased, here you go. Most of the research where double blind tests are easily done includes using identical resumes other than the gender of the applicant. It is pretty hard to see how people still claim these biases do not exist, but here we are.

      Science faculty’s subtle gender biases favor male students
      How stereotypes impair women’s careers in science
      Gender Bias Against Women of Color in Science
      Do sexist organizational cultures create the Queen Bee?

      Don't feel too bad when you ignore all of this, because other research also shows men evaluate the research that confirms gender bias within STEM contexts as less meritorious than do women

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    6. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are usually making the mistake that all discrimination is bad

      Not all discrimination is bad? Then before we go any further:
      1. Explain why it's morally wrong and detrimental to society for women to be discriminated against.
      2. If it's wrong then give concrete examples with supporting evidence to show how women are currently being discriminated against-- no need to be exhaustive, three examples will do.

      By the way, claiming that "it's obvious why discrimination against women is wrong!" is begging the question on top of undermining your argument.
      Furthermore, saying something like "if you don't see it then you're /stupid|mendacious|redneck|socialist|someone-I-don't-like/" is mere name calling and all it does is make you look worse.

      Take your time gathering your argument together; I'll wait.

    7. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by ranton · · Score: 1

      Not all discrimination is bad? Then before we go any further:
      1. Explain why it's morally wrong and detrimental to society for women to be discriminated against.
      2. If it's wrong then give concrete examples with supporting evidence to show how women are currently being discriminated against-- no need to be exhaustive, three examples will do.

      1. I'm assuming you mean discriminated against based on societal prejudices. If you mean discrimination such as giving them different bathrooms or private areas to pump breast milk then I find nothing morally wrong about that.
      a. Providing equal opportunity is a moral imperative for most people in the western world, especially the United States.
      b. Society is improved when every member has equal opportunity to fulfill their full potential. When someone does not fulfill their full potential because of lack of opportunity, gender roles, socio-economic factors, etc. society loses the extra benefit this person could have provided to society.
      (people are not forced to meet their full potential based on a moral desire for personal freedom)

      2.
      Science faculty’s subtle gender biases favor male students
      How stereotypes impair women’s careers in science
      Gender Bias Against Women of Color in Science
      Do sexist organizational cultures create the Queen Bee?

      It is far more reasonable to just ignore the research showing these biases than to claim you cannot find the research. It doesn't take much digging.

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    8. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a. Providing equal opportunity is a moral imperative for most people in the western world, especially the United States.

      This is begging the question. Why is it a moral imperative?

      b. Society is improved when every member has equal opportunity to fulfill their full potential. When someone does not fulfill their full potential because of lack of opportunity, gender roles, socio-economic factors, etc. society loses the extra benefit this person could have provided to society. (people are not forced to meet their full potential based on a moral desire for personal freedom)

      I think what you mean is that "Society is improved when every member has equal opportunity to do whatever they want." I tend to agree. But part a has not yet been proven to my satisfaction.

      At risk of moving the goal posts I've realized that there is a third aspect of this whole thing which is important when forming my opinion on the matter:
      3. Even if women are discriminated against please show that men are not discriminated against. It seems to me that everyone has to deal with bullshit and it's not necessarily injustice nor is it worthwhile to upend our whole society in an attempt to rectify-- rather like burning down a house to kill fleas.

      I never claimed I couldn't find such research, I just wanted to have something concrete in hand. For extra credit let's see if we can find some research that critiques the sources you gave.

    9. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by ranton · · Score: 1

      This is begging the question. Why is it a moral imperative?

      This type of reductive argument is too complex to discuss in a Slashdot post. If you disagree that concepts such as personal freedom or equal opportunity are not moral imperatives then there is little to be gained from this discussion. Equal opportunity is a very new addition to the moral code of even western societies, just as the assertion that slavery is immoral is fairly new. You may have a different moral code than our society at large, but if you cannot admit the current moral code of most of western society includes equal opportunity for all then as I said there is little which can be gained from this discussion.

      At risk of moving the goal posts I've realized that there is a third aspect of this whole thing which is important when forming my opinion on the matter:
      3. Even if women are discriminated against please show that men are not discriminated against. It seems to me that everyone has to deal with bullshit and it's not necessarily injustice nor is it worthwhile to upend our whole society in an attempt to rectify-- rather like burning down a house to kill fleas.

      Everyone faces negative discrimination. But different groups can face different magnitudes of prejudice. It is the disproportionate magnitude of these prejudices and the magnitude in which they affect peoples' lives that is at issue. Is it your contention that the magnitude of discrimination should not be a factor in determining which social inequalities to combat?

      I never claimed I couldn't find such research, I just wanted to have something concrete in hand. For extra credit let's see if we can find some research that critiques the sources you gave.

      I'll let you take care of that one.

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    10. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This type of reductive argument is too complex to discuss in a Slashdot post. If you disagree that concepts such as personal freedom or equal opportunity are not moral imperatives then there is little to be gained from this discussion. Equal opportunity is a very new addition to the moral code of even western societies, just as the assertion that slavery is immoral is fairly new. You may have a different moral code than our society at large, but if you cannot admit the current moral code of most of western society includes equal opportunity for all then as I said there is little which can be gained from this discussion.

      And yet it must be answered before the question of what to do about it.

      The reason it's important to me is that I reject the notion that because a lot of people (i.e. most of Western society) think a certain way makes it correct and furthermore that the sheer weight of numbers is a valid basis for morality: peer pressure is just bullying.

      Everyone faces negative discrimination. But different groups can face different magnitudes of prejudice. It is the disproportionate magnitude of these prejudices and the magnitude in which they affect peoples' lives that is at issue. Is it your contention that the magnitude of discrimination should not be a factor in determining which social inequalities to combat?

      I fully agree that a) different groups experience different magnitudes of prejudice. b) this magnitude should determine where to focus our (society's) efforts. I simply disagree that women experience the greatest magnitude of prejudice.

    11. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by ranton · · Score: 1

      And yet it must be answered before the question of what to do about it.

      The reason it's important to me is that I reject the notion that because a lot of people (i.e. most of Western society) think a certain way makes it correct and furthermore that the sheer weight of numbers is a valid basis for morality: peer pressure is just bullying.

      The reality is this has been answered by society. Virtually no one here is arguing that women don't deserve equal opportunity except you. There are certainly some other outliers like yourself, but you are certainly the vast minority. The people complaining about SJWs are complaining that women do have equal treatment, not that they don't deserve it. This is a belief many people share, so it is a worthwhile argument to have. Your belief that we should even question the merit of equal opportunity is such a fringe belief it is not worthy of discussion unless that was the point of this article. It is an extreme tangent.

      I simply disagree that women experience the greatest magnitude of prejudice.

      Now this an argument worth having. If you are claiming women do not face the greatest magnitude of prejudice of any identifiable group, I would agree with you. African Americans, for instance, have far more problems with discrimination than women. But it is unreasonable for society to only deal with the most egregious problems and ignore all other problems until the worst one is solved. Societies can and should put efforts towards fixing many problems at once.

      If you are arguing that men have it harder than women in the STEM fields that is a very hard position to take. It would take an enormous burden of evidence to convince anyone. Even those against SJWs are not claiming women have it easier, just that they are already equal (or close enough).

      If you are arguing that other aspects of society are hard on men (such as divorce courts and dangerous professions like logging), then those are separate issues which are irrelevant to this one. If those are real problems, they should also be dealt with. Keeping women out of STEM fields as some kind of revenge for women getting more spousal support than men is quite childish.

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    12. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet women are favored 2:1 in hiring for STEM faculty jobs (other than as economists, which are at 1:1), while both men and women unfairly favor women in general, with women favoring women harder than men favor women (meaning that OF COURSE women are less trustworthy than men when it comes to research that relates to the favoritism or anti-favoritism of women in relation to men).

      Favoritism in STEM faculty hiring
      Inherent sexism in favor of females by both females and males

      In the end the patriarchy, whenever there might've been one, being anti-female is simply mere projection on the part of women. Men have always had to do more and harder work than women, and men (but not women, even infertile and/or post-menopausal women that could not get pregnant and/or could or would not work as much or hard as men did) were always considered expendable (and thus had their bodies, sanities, and lives expended in cripplingly and/or fatally hard work, in wars, and in survival situations such as the sinking of the Titanic) in any society that sustained itself long-term in competition with other societies.

    13. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And you have the false premise that there is a lack of equal opportunity. Of course sound bites promoting an agenda based off ideology is better than actual evidence.

      Indeed, everyone is free to dine at the Ritz.

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    14. Re:Simple logic: sexism is wrong by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      By the way, claiming that "it's obvious why discrimination against women is wrong!" is begging the question on top of undermining your argument.

      It's axiomatic, like "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

      Or "slavery is wrong."

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  32. Where is APK? by allo · · Score: 1

    Even Google hosts! The only way, which does not only block ads, but malware and government spying!

  33. Re:Why do some men hate women so much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The men are under 5'10" tall.

  34. KiChing by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    KiChing, a startup that's actively addressing Mexico's unique e-commerce challenges

    Really? They named a company intended for Mexican markets something that basically translates into KiFuc?!

  35. Re:Why do some men hate women so much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't just your opinion, it's fact. Women slut shame other women far far far far far more than men slut shame women. Women stab each other in the back far more often than men do.

  36. Lookup definition of prejudice by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Claiming something is wrong just because it includes discriminating behavior is not a valid argument by itself, as it is quite intellectually dishonest. Unless prejudice against men is found (aka, they aren't being included because they are deemed inferior)...

    I disagree. Discrimination based on gender, unless our different biology is relevant, is wrong because it automatically implies prejudice. Look up the definition: prejudice is "an unfair and unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge". Hence this example is prejudicial against men since they are being rejected out of hand without and knowledge of who they are based solely on the unreasonable criteria that they are men.

    I never said that all discrimination is bad, clearly we should discriminate based on ability, but I will claim that discrimination based on gender, race, religion etc. is wrong unless that gender, race etc. is directly relevant e.g. women do not need prostate exams. This is because such discrimination automatically implies inappropriate prejudice either for or against some group. Indeed I would claim that it is you who is being intellectually dishonest because you are trying to use sophistry, such as re-defining the meaning of prejudice, to escape the real issue which is simply whether discrimination based purely on gender can every be justified.