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Collabora and OwnCloud Announce LibreOffice Online (itworld.com)

sfcrazy writes: Collabora Productivity, a UK-based consulting company, has collaborated with ownCloud Inc. to release a developer edition of online LibreOffice, which they call CODE (Collabora Online Development Edition). "The office suite implementation runs on ownCloud server. That's where all the processing and heavy lifting is done. The rendering happens at the client side. Currently there are three apps: writer (equivalent to MS Word), spreadsheet (Excel) and presentation (PowerPoint). At the moment users can create new documents and edit them. Other functionality, such as collaborative editing, is in the pipeline."

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  1. Why? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I like LibreOffice, It is my default tool. But the reason why I like it is because it installs on my PC, so I can use it without internet. If I want a cloud office tools I would go with office. And not deal with compatibility issues.

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like LibreOffice, It is my default tool. But the reason why I like it is because it installs on my PC, so I can use it without internet. If I want a cloud office tools I would go with office. And not deal with compatibility issues.

      Because cloud, that's why.

      Why have a bloated client on your desktop when you can run an even slower version of it in the cloud?

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. You can gain SYNERGIES by migrating DEVOPS to the CLOUD!!!!!!11111

    3. Re:Why? by watermark · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you choose LibreOffice over Microsoft Office? In your answer to that question, I think you will find your answer to your original question.

    4. Re:Why? by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      Don't forget apps!

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mainly because there isn't a reasonable replacement for Office type compatibility with Linux. "Oh, but you can run Windows in a VM" can go fuck itself.

      I currently use OwnCloud to share documents with my wife and kid because we don't keep the same hours and are often in different countries. It's really awesome that OC has gotten robust enough to handle editing via the web...saves a few steps (which helps out the wife and kid).

      Oh, and regarding your compatibility issues - if M$ bothered to accept open document formats instead of insisting on its proprietary crap I'd play along, but as is Office is hella expensive for simple home use type shit, so M$ can fuck itself along with their VM.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you choose LibreOffice over Microsoft Office? In your answer to that question, I think you will find your answer to your original question.

      You were given a big clue in "because it installs on my PC". He's using something other than Windows, such as Linux. Same as my family's several PCs: all of them are Linux only.

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because M$ is the devil? Hasn't Windoze 8/10 taught you anything?

    8. Re:Why? by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      Mmmmm, pot stickers and mozzarella sticks...

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    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not one to bitch about /. at all, and I think this might be my first time. But, seriously? Can they not include a link to the fucking product? No? So, I click a link to RTFA, a crime against nature, and do they have a fucking link to the damned site? No! Holy shitballs people. This is not complicated to add.

      Here:
      https://www.collaboraoffice.co...

      It comes, as the "easy' solution, of a VM based on openSUSE and they have an image there to download if you want to try it. There... Now we actually have a handy-dandy link to the actual site and application. It's a start. Normally I'm okay but I'm old, tired, and cranky. I'm also KGIII and still not logging in, damn it. In fact, I'm gonna take a nap.

    10. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a man who spent so much time away, get a job closer to home. Leaving a note on the computer isn't the same as talking to them and snuggling up on the couch to talk about stupid shit.

    11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Why didn't I think of just changing careers?!?!

      My wife and I are well paid to be apart, and while it's not optimal, I don't see people paying six figures to have an easy or stay at home type job. We do what our bosses tell us to do because they're signing the fucking paychecks.

    12. Re:Why? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      And this can be installed on a server under your own control, so you have the best of both.

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    13. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because collaborate writing is more and more a requirement and it is hell to keep versioning with names.

  2. It used to be terrible by watermark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully they've improved this. I tried this software about a year ago and it was nearly unusable due to the lack of features. It didn't even support page breaks at the time. Some functionality is optional (bibliographies), some is required (page breaks). They probably shouldn't have included it in ownCloud before it had all of the required functionality, because that bad impression stuck with me.

    1. Re:It used to be terrible by gQuigs · · Score: 1

      I do remember there used to be something that I considered basic missing, don't remember if it was page breaks.

      Anyway, Page breaks are available (at least in version 5).

    2. Re:It used to be terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you had issues with this software one year ago - I see. Oh except this didn't yet exist one year ago...

    3. Re:It used to be terrible by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      It wasn't mentioned but I'll presume this is about Writer.

      While I have problems with some of the bugs still in Writer, it has had page breaks for years. Insert->Manual Break->Page Break. Couldn't be more plain.

      As an aside, I installed Libre Writer last night and checked. It still has the same bugs OpenOffice Writer has, so I uninstalled it. No need to 'upgrade' since Writer is the only part I use.

    4. Re:It used to be terrible by gQuigs · · Score: 1

      There have been a lot of other improvements in LibreOffice (as oppposed to OpenOffice).

      Care to be more specific on the bugs?

    5. Re:It used to be terrible by caseih · · Score: 1

      I assume you're talking about the online word processor and not LibreOffice Writer? LibreOffice Writer and versions before all the way back to StarOffice all supported various kinds of page breaks.

    6. Re:It used to be terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't fscking print on OSX. Seriously? Jam cut-off landscape onto a portrait orientation.

      WTF?

      Who needs that garbage blended with 'cloud'?

  3. Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LibreOffice on the desktop is mediocre. Why try and make an online version to compete with... Google Docs... Office 365... Apple iWork whatever. The online versions are never as good as the desktop versions, and LibreOffice is already not that great!

    1. Re:Ugh. by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      The nice thing about the web-based version is that - if it's done well - it's easy to share documents with others and you can access your documents from anywhere.

      I don't do anything fancy with Word/Excel/Powerpoint or their LibreOffice equivalents Writer/Calc/Impress, so this would be fine for me - except my itch has already been scratched by the open source web-hosted equivalents Etherpad/Ethercalc/Hacker Slides running on the open source Sandstorm platform (sandstorm.io).

      I guess the killer feature the LibreOffice web-hosted versions would have is interoperability with the Microsoft Office and Libre Office versions - I don't need that, but for someone trying to convince a company to ditch Office 365 for hosted Libre Office, I guess it's a critical requirement. (For all I know, Etherpad, Ethercalc, and Hacker Slides have that interoperability. I never checked.)

    2. Re:Ugh. by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      LibreOffice on the desktop is mediocre

      I respect your right to your opinion, based on your own criteria in your own environment, but I find LibreOffice excellent. It does everything I need 100% of the time. I've done anything from letters to 500 page books and it's all been good.

    3. Re:Ugh. by tuxisthefuture · · Score: 2

      I second this. Been using OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice for around 10 years, personally and within my business. No problems whatsoever. Saved a small fortune in licensing fees. Admittedly I had to learn where a few things were initially, but that is no different to when I used to shell out for the latest Microsoft Office.

    4. Re:Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it can't render my Excel files correctly and my Power Point with embedded graphics never opens.
      Asides from that it's great, except for the incredibly long compile times.

    5. Re:Ugh. by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Long COMPILE times? What, you're (frequently?) building versions of LibreOffice? Whatever for?

      Compile times for LibreOffice are of little interest to 99.99% of the users. (And who knows what compile times for MS Office are anyhow?)

      Doesn't "render" Excel properly? What does that mean? Are you talking about VB macros or something? Won't open your PowerPoint? Huh?

      If you're already using MS Office for your work, I don't see your point.

  4. Terrible name by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    Why would you name a product "code" when that term already has meaning? Name it "Own Office" or "Collabora Online" or even "Snicker Pig." Those are all terms that do not already have meaning. I can't ask a someone "Do you use code?"

    1. Re:Terrible name by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Almost as dumb as calling a company "alphabet".

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    2. Re:Terrible name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you name a product "windows" when that term already has meaning? I can't ask a someone "Do you have windows?"

      Hmmm, looks like Microsoft suffers from the same problem.

    3. Re:Terrible name by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      If you didn't know, Google's "alphabet" name is a joke for finance nerds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re:Terrible name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is not named "code" - it is named "Collabora Online Development Edition" - CODE is the abbreviation. Once it is finished it might be named "Collabora Online" or something similar.

    5. Re:Terrible name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CODE is the developer edition.

      The actual commercial product name is Collabora CloudSuite.

    6. Re:Terrible name by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Almost as dumb as calling a company "alphabet".

      Or "Word".

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  5. I don't get this by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's easy to see why commercial software providers would want to push users toward the cloud: they get to charge subscriptions instead of a one-time buy.
    But for users, there aren't any compelling advantages that I can see.
    Sure, you outsource software maintenance, and if all goes right availability could be higher. But that comes at a high price: your data being exposed, absolute reliance on your internet connection, no control over e.g. the upgrade schedule, no more communication between applications etc.
    Being able to access my documents from anywhere is no argument. My laptop goes everywhere with me, so I already have that without having to store my documents on the cloud.

    1. Re:I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OwnCloud is something you host yourself (usually), not out in the wild (although obviously accessible from the internets). This gives the option of allowing people to edit files on your home cloud without them having to have a client installed (think: Accessing from a Linux computer or an Android phone and need to edit a spreadsheet or document, you can do it via the web and not have to install other bullshit)

    2. Re:I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to see why commercial software providers would want to push users toward the cloud: they get to charge subscriptions instead of a one-time buy.

      Now that is a fine theory right there except that OwnCloud is Free and Open Source, LibreOffice is Free and Open Source ,and Collabora is the main developer of LibreOffice along with sponsoring many other Free and Open Source projects.
      Having your own Private Cloud that you can personally host or host on an Amazon server has a lot of advantages. Pretty much the high price list but flipped.
      - Your data is not exposed or data mined (you have as little exposer as possible for something on the web)
      - You don’t have to worry about internet connection if you set your file to download for offline use.
      - You have large control over OwnCloud because you host it or pay for it to be hosted and have access.

    3. Re:I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the collaborative editing, happens to be more important to me.

    4. Re:I don't get this by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Plus, of course, you can access your content from any device with a browser and an internet connection, instead of only on devices that have a suitable office suite and a copy of your files.

    5. Re:I don't get this by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now that is a fine theory right there except that OwnCloud is Free and Open Source,

      Yes, I got that. So the normal argument in favor of cloud software (the vendor gets to increase their income) doesn't apply.

      Am I the only one who prefers having applications run locally instead of having to cram everything inside a browser window?

    6. Re:I don't get this by skegg · · Score: 1

      It's easy to see why commercial software providers would want to push users toward the cloud

      There's no guarantee that locally-installed software will remain subscription-free.
      Don't forget about the widely-used Adobe tool suite, Adobe Creative Cloud.

      It wouldn't surprise me if MS Windows & MS Office moved in that direction in the next decade.

    7. Re: I don't get this by jospoortvliet · · Score: 1

      Surprise - you can do that too with the desktop client and mobile clients. The key is: access files however you want from wherever you want and share how you want with whomever you want. If you spend most of your time on one device, it is still useful for those few times you don't, or to share...

    8. Re: I don't get this by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Or if you don't spend most of your time on one device, you might have to *gasp* have a USB flash drive with portable versions for linux and windows.

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    9. Re:I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also great for idiot managers that can't figure out better ways to do things like have employees report their progress on projects in a single, very inconvenient, and always randomly formatted document (because 8 different people have 8 different ways of doing things).

      You know, rather than using just about any other progress tracking software that doesn't suck. Which would be almost anything.

    10. Re:I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about the widely-used Adobe tool suite, Adobe Creative Cloud.

      It wouldn't surprise me if MS Windows & MS Office moved in that direction in the next decade.

      I'm quite sure MS will move in that direction - Office 365 is that already. Once they reach a critical mass with it they will just declare that localy-installed Office won't be available as one-time buy anymore.

  6. you ppl suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People on Slashdot bash on everything.

      Its not that bad of an idea to offer these kinds of capabilities to business. Some businesses might find that kind of integration leads to easier management of resources, and data.
    That said, I wouldn't mind integration of an email/calendaring solution

  7. collaborative editing is in the pipeline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..and is the only reason I need a cloud based office product.

    1. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I have five computers at home and share them with my wife and kids. So being able to access my files from a browser window instead of monkeying with rsync is nice.

    2. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      It would be somewhat nicer if the collaborative editing features worked in the proper non web based version too. There's no reason it couldn't and the native version is much better since web browsers are a bloaty, inefficient VM. You could have the best of both worlds. Online access and collaborative editing, with the efficiency and resource usage of native code.

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    3. Re: collaborative editing is in the pipeline by jospoortvliet · · Score: 1

      I am sure that that is coming. Not next week, and help is welcome (even if just by convincing your company to buy LO), but it is on the agenda...

    4. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You could install an owncloud server and five clients in 1/2 hour... no need to do everything in a browser.

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    5. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Actually, I use sandstorm.io + Etherpad, Ethercalc, and Hacker Slides.

    6. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Now you're just talking hipster talk.

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    7. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by el_chicano · · Score: 1

      Actually, I use sandstorm.io + Etherpad, Ethercalc, and Hacker Slides.

      I have mod points but I would rather say thanks for the pointer to sandstorm.

      The use of randomized hostnames for separation to increase security is an interesting design choice, but it will have to be self-signed wildcard certs because wildcard certs are still pretty pricey.

      I gave the demo at https://demo.sandstorm.io/ at a run through, it is actually a pretty neat framework.

      I noticed mongo mentioned in the the debug log, I need to take look at the code because I hear Postgres does NoSQL pretty well these days.

      Over the years slashdot comments have really gone downhill, just when you are about ready to give up reading the comments you discover something cool.

      Thanks!

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    8. Re:collaborative editing is in the pipeline by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      If you host your own sandstorm instance on your own server, they give you a wildcard certificate. I have one running right now.

      I keep reading criticisms of Mongo, so its use bothers me a little. On the other hand, at work we're ditching Postgres. We've found Postgres to be ironclad and bulletproof, but the open source high availability options we've tried for it sucked - the logs are littered with dropped connections. From our internal testing, MySQL + Percona works better - at least so far. (I have no formal affiliation with Postgres, MySQL, or Percona.)

  8. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like others I like Libre Office, have been using since Star Office days. If I want cloudy office Google is there (or Office 365 which I seem to keep getting with various employments). Running the 'cloud' infrastructure costs, what is the capitalisation and revenue model? If it is subscription why would pay?

  9. More than 1 reason by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Remember that this is the UK, not the US. "Snooping" is guaranteed to the government, there is no fight about a Constitution. MI5 and MI6 have full access to anything you do in this product.

    Sure, there is some cost benefits to using "Cloud" but that comes at the risk of Security. People may not like it, but I refuse to use Ubuntu for the same reason I would not use this product.

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    1. Re:More than 1 reason by skegg · · Score: 1

      One could host ownCloud with this plug-in on a home server (RPi?) but admittedly we're talking small numbers of people.

  10. I'm so glad... by dhaen · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..that they told me MS equivalent apps, otherwise how could I ever have guessed what they were: Write - for writing; Spreadsheet - for spreadsheets; Presentation - for presentations. Gosh that was difficult, but I worked it out in the end!

  11. OwnCloud and LibreOffice normally self contained by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    OwnCloud is usually self contained. Not out on the Public Internet. OwnCloud is a replication service that keeps Synchronization between different machines. It is a good stop-gap measure to address the LibreOffice Android issues.

  12. opensource by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I like LibreOffice, It is my default tool. But the reason why I like it is because it installs on my PC, so I can use it without internet. If I want a cloud office tools I would go with office.

    ...but if you go with owncloud, you'll get a cloud office that is free/libre opensource software - just like libreoffice.
    and it installs on your server, so :
    - you can use it without relying on some other potentially not secure 3rd party provider
    - you and colleagues can use it without internet if all your laptop are on the same network as your server.

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    1. Re:opensource by robbyb20 · · Score: 1

      Ive been looking for a product similar to google apps but theres nothing out there thats "free" that allows me to do this for our work environment. Budgets are tight, yo!

      I also took a look at Alfresco for a sharepoint alternative but that doesnt integrate incredibly well with office so that you can check out items. It does document control pretty well though.

      My main reasoning for google apps was because it allows collaborative editing. If this adds it like the summary says it will, I would test it out immediately.

    2. Re:opensource by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It took to the bottom of the thread to answer the question. In the mist of anti-ms rant there is an answer to "Why"

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  13. Your own local by DrYak · · Score: 1

    If I want cloudy office Google is there (or Office 365 which I seem to keep getting with various employments).

    BUT... these cloudy office suite that you mention (Google Docs and Microsoft Office 365) are proprietary and closed-source.
    Your only possibility to use them is to connect to the servers of said companies.
    (Although there are possibility of local install, but they cost way too much).

    Whereas owncloud is opensource, and you can install it on your own servers. You can build your very own cloud if you want - hence the name.

    If there are document that you don't want to (or can't legally afford to) transit through untrusted 3rd party, you basically only have 2 options:
    - pay out the huge amount required to have a local server of Google Docs or Office 365 (some university actually do it. But they have the necessary rebate and microsoft makes a rebate).
    - deploy an opensource solution on a local server

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  14. Owncloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Owcloud is a resource hog and it's syncing failes miserably when coworking on the same data sets. I betthos will be a failure,as soon as syncing gets involved..

  15. This! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This motherfucker apps the shit outa your cloud. The consequences will never be the same.

    If you don't realize that app clouds are the only way forward, you're just too old.

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