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Mars Colonies and Class Warfare (examiner.com)

MarkWhittington writes: An argument about class warfare has broken out over the notion of a commercial Mars colony. It started when Elon Musk, who is said to be planning to retire on the Red Planet, mused that World War III could ruin his plans to settle Mars by destroying the Earth or at least damaging civilization sufficiently that space exploration has to be put off indefinitely, Newsweek, taking up the theme of another sort of planetary disaster, accused Musk and other space-minded billionaires of plotting to abandon the planet to the ravages of global warming while they go to Mars to live the good life.

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  1. This is so ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Might as well talk about colonizing the center of the Sun and getting your drinking water from Saturn's rings. This may be some kind of bizarre nerdy entertainment, but it will never happen. Ever.

    1. Re:This is so ridiculous by ChrisMaple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gravity is 0.38 g. Radiation and lack of oxygen are handled by living underground in sealed buildings, food grown in sealed surface greenhouses.

      Expensive. Difficult. Not fun. Possible.

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    2. Re:This is so ridiculous by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Of all the ways to avoid "the ravages of global warming", going to Mars would be the nuttiest I've heard."

      Not forgetting the stupid notion that rich people need to go anywhere to avoid "the ravages of global warming" when the last working air conditioner, the last gallon of oil and the last kobe cow sirloin will be for them anyway.

    3. Re:This is so ridiculous by plopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except 100+ years ago heavier than air flight was occurring already every day, by birds. You don't see anything flying to Mars. The complexity in question is very different.

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    4. Re:This is so ridiculous by tlambert · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But here we are talking about deleterius conditions, not simply "risky".

      More deleterious than going to Christmas parties in San Bernardino?

      Personally, I'm all for the "abandon ship" option; the assholes on Earth are getting near enough to a comparable risk, don't you think?

    5. Re:This is so ridiculous by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your use of the phrase 'adapters' isn't a good indication of your understanding of evolutionary biology. Individual lifeforms don't adapt, at least not in a useful sense, what you'd want would be candidates who are inherently more viable in the environment. Given the universality of gravity on earth it is very unlikely that there is a considerable difference in viability in low gravity between individuals, unlike for example disease resistance.

  2. Science Fiction at its finest... by bagboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Robert Heinlein would be proud.

  3. Satiric reasoning at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're rich enough to go to Mars, you're rich enough to have a bloody brilliant life on earth, whether it's ravaged or not!

  4. stupid stupid by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Newsweek... accused Musk and other space-minded billionaires of plotting to abandon the planet to the ravages of global warming while they go to Mars to live the good life.

    You can jack up global warming until every single molecule of polar ice melts, and on top of that you can detonate every single nuclear warhead in existence, and Earth will still be an infinitely more habitable place than Mars. So the accusation of abandoning Earth to become a hellhole while billionaires live it up on Mars is stupid beyond belief.

    Mind you I'm totally in favor of Elon or somebody sending people to Mars, but that would be as an exploration and human achievement rather than some bullshit class warfare thing.

    1. Re:stupid stupid by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is even stupider than that because Musk is a major proponent of alternative energy and getting rid of the internal combustion engine (hence Tesla) precisely because he's concerned about global warming. So even if this did make sense (and it doesn't for the reasons you correctly identified) they'd still have the wrong billionaire.

  5. Everything looks like a nail by tsotha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Some people are locked into seeing everything as a function of class, leaving out about 95% of human existence.

    And... Newsweek is still around?

  6. Ravages of global warming? by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If those morons think that a small increase in temperature is worse than living on a barren empty planet with no air, water, or infrastructure... maybe we should send them there first so they can see what it's like. I hope they enjoy the many months traveling there eating rehydrated space food in a tiny room.

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  7. Musk running away by pesho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    accused Musk and other space-minded billionaires of plotting to abandon the planet to the ravages of global warming while they go to Mars to live the good life.

    Seems more likely to me that Musk is going to Mars to get as far as possible from the idiot who wrote this piece and the likes of him.

  8. Stupid by MBGMorden · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think we're CAPABLE as a species of making Earth less hospitable to life than Mars.

    No matter how bad things get here, it'll still be way easier to survive here (much less "live the good life") than on Mars.

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  9. Re:So it's boom and bust? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Upward mobility is no myth. Some of us have experienced it firsthand.

    Although it tends to be much more common with the newcomers. They tend to have less emotional baggage dragging them down and haven't been indoctrinated into the usual liberal excuses for not trying to fend for yourself.

    THAT right there is why we should never shut out immigrants. They make up for the fat entitled slobs that blame everyone else for their own shortcomings.

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  10. Re:Living on a mine field by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you kidding? One of the biggest and first steps in terraforming Mars is to introduce massive amounts of carbon and greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere to warm it up on the global scale. We are experts in that field because we are doing it to our own planet at an alarming rate.

    Last I checked, we've increased the atmospheric thickness of Earth by 0%. Call me when we can make it 100x thicker.

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  11. Re:So it's boom and bust? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If that's true it means they do well when they're young and then everything goes to shit. At least I can't think of any reason why they'd drop out. In other words, after they're used up their quality of life goes down

    No, in fact, it's the exact opposite: incomes go up as people get older. It should also be obvious why: as people get older, they gain more experience and advance in their careers, so they get salary raises. You have to be utterly disconnected from economic life not to understand such a basic fact. http://tinyurl.com/pebklkm

    Now, the real ruling class is just that: A Class. You don't drop out of that.

    True. But the argument progressives and people like Sanders make is that "the 1%" actually constitute "the ruling class", that the problem is money, and that the problem can be fixed by redistribution and taxation. That argument is obviously bullshit given the intragenerational income mobility we see.

    The US may or may not have some other form of "ruling class" that isn't rooted in money. You're welcome to make an argument for that. There certainly are such ruling classes in Europe, in countries with much more economic equality and higher relative upward mobility.

    Google "Upward Mobility In America" sometime. When the top 3 results stop being about how it's a myth we'll talk.

    I did better: I immigrated to the US and experienced upward mobility that people in other countries can only dream of. People like you strike me as whiny, greedy, and ignorant because you simply lack any appreciation of how well the US works.

    The statistics that people cite on intergenerational mobility and comparing it between countries are bullshit; they are based on relative mobility, and that's high in countries with government-imposed equality, for all the wrong reasons.

  12. Then why go? by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can live in my basement and have all those things except the gravity. Add some more concrete and you can do it even if there is WWIII. Space radiation will the picking holes in Musk's DNA while you'll be safe and sound living out your dream... in my basement.