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Replacement For Mozilla Thunderbird?
maxcelcat writes: I've used Thunderbird for about a decade, and Netscape Mail before that (I have an email from 1998 from Marc Andreessen, welcoming me to Netscape Email, telling me different fonts can add impact to my emails). Thunderbird has served me well, but it's getting long in the tooth. Given the lack of development and the possibility that it's going End of Life, what should I use instead? I have multiple email accounts and an archive of sixteen years of email. I could get a copy of Outlook, but I don't like it.
Things I like about Thunderbird: Supports multiple email accounts; simple interface; storage structure is not one monolithic file; plain text email editor; filtering. Things I don't like: HTML email editor; folders are hard to change and re-arrange.
Things I like about Thunderbird: Supports multiple email accounts; simple interface; storage structure is not one monolithic file; plain text email editor; filtering. Things I don't like: HTML email editor; folders are hard to change and re-arrange.
I was just thinking of switching to Thunderbird from pine.
1 - What does "end of life" mean in this context?
Nothing.
It is a mature (pretty) full-featured email client with a plugin architecture which is good enough.
2 - Lack of development.
See point #1
An ever changing system is an unstable system
The fact they do not require frequent updates, is maybe a good thing. Loook at Firefox. look at the bloat that has become.
SMTP /POP/ IMAP is just that, it has been defined years ago.
Any admin will tell you, a stable system does not need to be baby sitted or changed often. A stable system is just that. Stable, that includes the code.
Claws Mail is a good option. It might not have all the features that Thunderbird does, but the important things are that it's FLOSS, supports encryption, and "just works".
Alternatively, just use webmail. These are the best options: https://www.privacytools.io/#e...
No mention of platform. What system(s) do you need it to run on?
Windows Live Mail is a surprisingly feature-rich and lightweight free mail client for Windows. I used it for several years before switching permanently to webmail. It's written by Microsoft and supports multiple mailboxes. It may even import your mail history depending on your export options.
http://windows.microsoft.com/e...
I don't see any lack of development in Thunderbird (38.4 came out not that long ago), and I don't see any indication of it going EOL either. There isn't a lot of core development in the email part because as an email client it's pretty much feature-complete and open-source projects rarely make changes to stuff that's working well. Much of the work's been going on in extensions, and IMO that's a good thing because it makes it easier to concentrate on one piece of functionality at a time and if there's a problem with an extension you can disable it until it's fixed without losing all of TB at the same time.
I see no reason to stop using it right now. I'm not going to upset the client end of my email unless and until TB stops receiving security updates and bugfixes in a timely manner or someone comes up with a replacement for SMTP/IMAP that I find compelling and that TB won't be updated to support.
If you think webmail is an acceptable solution, you dont really use email, you use instant messenger.
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FossaMail is a Thunderbird fork from the creator of the Pale Moon web browser (Though you don't have to use the one to use the other). The devs have confirmed that they are a true fork that is independently developing each release and will continue on as it has been with future security, stability, and useability improvements no matter what happens to Thunderbird.
A Thunderbird user would likely find the interface and features very familiar, and I think there is an included migration tool to import settings and such from Thunderbird.
http://www.fossamail.org/
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Mozilla is just going to stop supporting it. From the original announcement, basically Thunderbird has its own development group that has diverged from the Firefox clan enough that it doesn't make sense for Mozilla to keep adapting to it. Thunderbird development won't stop, and works fine. No need to switch.
You seem to be one of the younger crowd who doesn't even understand why you should store your mail locally instead of counting on somebody else to keep it backed up (the "cloud"). Good luck using multiple clients with one local datastore.
as if there's something wrong with that
nothing to see here - move along
I use thunderbird as well, and multiple email accounts. I also use the web clients you mention. What Thunderbird gives me, is a single place for all my email accounts and emails I have received from all of them. If I delete an email from gmail, and Thunderbird downloaded it, it stays in there. It is like a big archive for all my email and a central repository to go to for searching across all email accounts (it is easy to forget which account you dealt with a subject on). My iPhone mail app is unable to look back very far, and each gmail account can only look at itself via the website, so this searching through all my emails comes in pretty handy.
SoGo? Haven't heard of that one and can't find it in the catalog. There's Cardbook 5.2 which seems fairly complete and stable. As far as CalDAV, that's already built into Lightning.
I still use both Pine (actually its successor Alpine) and Lynx, on a 15000K broadband account. Eliminating needless decorative clutter is still useful.
Two problems here.
First, actually I run my own mail server, so I do keep (that email) locally rather than "in the cloud". But as I have IMAP, I can access it anywhere.
Secondly: storing your email on a single PC, and only reading it on that single PC, is not an improvement on "the cloud" in any useful way. It's overly restrictive, not merely for forcing you to deal with emails in a single geographic location, but also making it much harder to use email to, for example, share photographs and links from mobile devices.
I definitely wouldn't recommend the old download-everything-with-POP approach.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
If you are just looking for a better Thunderbird, no such thing exists, so you can forget about it. There are other clients which may or may not be better than Thunderbird but change (even to something objectively better) will come with trade-offs (you'll immediately lose support for Thunderbird extensions, for example).
That said, the most straight-forward suggestion here (and the one I suspect you will get other than jokes) is to use a web-based email system like gmail. It just works and requires 0 maintenance from your part.
Personally, I use Thunderbird, and will continue to use it until it starts falling apart. It works well enough, and I don't care about e-mail that much to try to change right now.
The problem with Firefox isn't that there's change.
The problem with Firefox is that the changes are fucking idiotic. We aren't talking about one or two bad ones now and then. Far too many of the changes to Firefox are dumb, dumb, dumb!
Those are the kinds of changes that are unwanted, because they cause problems for users.
But users still want positive change.
They want bug fixes. They want performance improvements. They want support for new features and functionality that they desire.
This is another area where Firefox devs fuck up. They rarely make changes that the Firefox users actually want!
Firefox's approach to change is upside down. Firefox typically includes lots of unwanted changes, with very few wanted changes. That's what drives users away, sending Firefox's share of the market from the mid-30% range down to single-digits.
It should be the other way around. Firefox should include lots of wanted changes, and few to no unwanted changes. That would drive Firefox's share of the market up, as existing users would not leave, and new users would use it to get access to the new changes that they want to use.
I do it... have local storage for remote imap accounts. Nothing stays in the cloud. I also run my own mail server.
"the younger crowd" seem to have taken the advice of "use someone else's..." to heart, just as a Harvard MBA will tell you to only focus on your own core competencies... taken to it's logical conclusion, it almost always leads to loss of core control and the wail of "But I followed best practices!!! what happened?!" is heard.
Why do people constantly suggest a web console as a replacement to a native application? When you use gmail, the browser gets in the way, there is lag, you have to do things in an HTMLy way.... Web services are far more clumsy, and if I'm deaiing with hundreds of emails it's really nice to not have all those obstacles. Owning your emails is nice too.... my wife lost the last emails that her father sent to her because Microsoft decided she wasn't using her account enough.
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Getting PGP encryption working on a gmail account is a nightmare.
I read the internet for the articles.
You seem to be one of the younger crowd who doesn't even understand why you should store your mail locally instead of counting on somebody else to keep it backed up (the "cloud"). Good luck using multiple clients with one local datastore.
You can back up IMAP locally (e.g. imapsync) or you can run your own mail server. Or even a hybrid approach where you outsource outgoing/incoming email, but proxy it through your own mail server via POP to have a more permanent IMAP server and backup.
Lots of choices out there. No reason to not have access to your email all your devices in the current age.
It's easy, if you access Gmail over POP/IMAP with a REAL e-mail client with PGP support. Which is what people should be doing anyway.
Keep an IMAP client synced. There, now you have local backup.
Man, I freaking hate these "Ask Slashdot" questions that people give wonderfully unhelpful answers like, "use webmail", "use the built-in Microsoft client", and "no development, no problem!"
I have been trying to get rid of Thunderbird for a while now. Every time, instead of saying, "Oh, you should try this client", they come up with brilliant responses like the above. Webmail, seriously? The built-in MS client, really? Why do you need to change, really? Thunderbird is slow as a dog on Windows 8. Yeah, seeing as it's 2015, a text email client isn't an option. All of you who are still on text Linux - I salute you. Now utilize your brain the size of a planet to tell me what the graphical, performance-based, non-bloat email client of today is. Like the man asked.
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GTK and all simply does not blend well with Windows Native UI
Neither does Outlook's.
TB makes it easy to put the emails/settings/plugins in a place of your choosing, from which it's easy to copy all your emails and settings to different machines as just a file copy, and to back them up.
I do this between a Linux desktop and Win8.1 laptop with no pain.
Thunderbird isn't approaching end of life. If anything, it is about to open up. The TB developers were frustrated by having to maintain compatibility with Firefox technologies that don't really apply to TB. They, the developers, were the ones who suggested Mozilla let them go to another entity. This isn't about finding a replacement for a dieing Thunderbird, but for Thunderbird being able to chart its own direction free from Firefox influence.
This is a good thing, a very good thing!
I know a lot of people who use Webmail, who have their address-books stored on their email providers servers.
Every now and then a receive a rash of spam or scam mails from someone who operates this was and whose email was hacked. I have not noticed any such mails from private addresses where they use a "proper" email client. Someone sent a Trojan mail to everyone in the company's Outlook address-book at work this week, a somewhat different case.
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Open Thunderbird and do a plug-in search for enigmail.
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and use Mail.app
Never had a Mail program that suited my needs more ... when I have to use Outlook I always have my pills against travel sickness at hand. I'm always close to vomit using it.
About Thunderbird, I'm simlly sad they never figured how a Mail browser should look like.
I liked my old Netscape (3.0?) mail client, though.
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Gmail has one of the most broken IMAP implementations out there. I don't want 50 copies of each e-mail draft in my web mail interface cause Google can't fucking implement IMAP.
And you can be sure, any bank mail you're getting is fake.
dead wrong.
Valid emails I receive, all with a "do not respond to this address" warning:
1) A payment posted
2) account access from a new IP address (e.g. I logged in from a cafe)
3) Change to profile settings happened
Obviously if a "bank email" asks you to respond with an email containing your password or your cat's name, it's fake. But there are real messages all the time.
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