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Bernie Sanders Campaign Blocked From DNC Voter Info After Improper Access (washingtonpost.com)

PolygamousRanchKid writes with news that staffers for the Bernie Sanders campaign improperly viewed the voter data gathered by Hillary Clinton's campaign by exploiting a software error. "The discovery sparked alarm at the DNC, which promptly shut off the Sanders campaign's access to the strategically crucial list of likely Democratic voters. The DNC maintains the master list and rents it to national and state campaigns, which then add their own, proprietary information gathered by field workers and volunteers. Firewalls are supposed to prevent campaigns from viewing data gathered by their rivals." On Wednesday, while the software was being patched, it briefly opened access to all of the restricted voter data. The Sanders campaign fired the staffer responsible for viewing the data, Josh Uretsky. The campaign says their access was simply part of an investigation to determine their own exposure, and blames the vendor (and those who hired it) for improperly securing the data.

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  1. Should have cleaned the data... by mschaffer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should have scrubbed the data...you know...with a rag or something.

    1. Re:Should have cleaned the data... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

      And with Republicans you have to nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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    2. Re: Should have cleaned the data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't have to. There'd be plenty to go around.

      True. Look at Detroit.

    3. Re: Should have cleaned the data... by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Informative

      If by steal you mean take in tax revenue, it would be the blue states we get the money from. Same as now.

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  2. Background by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what the news stories are saying, this firewall-dropping was happening repeatedly. So:

    NGP-VAN, the company that stores this data, which is run by an old Clinton hand who worked for them in 1992, the company paid $34,000 by Ready For Hillary, was repeatedly dropping their firewall between the two major Dem campaigns, Clinton and Sanders.

    A guy who’s now fired from the Sanders team observed this. They complained once and were given assurances by the company that it was a mistake and wouldn’t happen again. Then it happened again. The guy decided to gauge how deeply the Clinton campaign was able to read into the Sanders campaign, by experimenting to see how much of the Clinton data he could get. That’s a bad call but by information security standards it’s not unthinkable: it’d be called a white hat intrusion, seeing how much of the firewall was down by probing the other side and assuming your own data was revealed exactly the same way. It does matter, but you still have to fire the guy.

    One thing we can be sure of is, anything open to ‘stealing’ on the Clinton side was just as open on the Sanders side, literally. It’s the same system and the same firewall, and if the firewall keeps mysteriously going down for no good reason you have to wonder what’s up and more relevantly what’s being made available to those on the other side of the firewall, which might explain why the firewall’s going down like that.

    The Sanders people did NOT throw a fit the first time this happened. But this time, the Sanders guy got caught crossing the nonexistent firewall. We have no information at all on whether anybody from the Clinton side was doing the same thing. During that time there WAS NO firewall and the guy wasn’t hacking, he was browsing, as anybody on either side could have done during those windows.

    I think that’s accurate so far. The behavior of the firewall is important, whether or not it’s suspicious as a planned exploit of the Sanders data run by Clinton people who are at the DNC and at NGP-VAN.

    In response to the Sanders guy browsing over and seeing data (how do they know? Because HE TOLD THEM. The Sanders team were the ones reporting this, that’s part of the story), the DNC suspended access by the Sanders campaign to THEIR OWN DATA at a crucial time. In order to get access back, at least as of this morning, the requirement is for the Sanders campaign to prove it has destroyed all data that it didn’t necessarily even download (remember, Sanders guy claims he was exploring the Clinton system because it would mirror the vulnerability of the Sanders system, and he’s not IN the Clinton system to go and browse the Sanders side to see how much is revealed, but he was IN the Sanders side and could look at the Clinton side and reasonably conclude that his own side was equally compromised)

    And social media is blowing the hell up, not unreasonably, because it’s a goddamn hatchet job combined with a kneecapping to yank access by the Bernie campaign to its OWN DATA because a guy from the Bernie campaign passively browsed through a firewall he didn’t himself disable, a firewall run by a company controlled by Clinton partisans which had been going down already for reasons unknown.

    1. Re:Background by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the DNC suspended access by the Sanders campaign to THEIR OWN DATA at a crucial time

      The DNC suspended Sander's access to DNC's own data, because the DNC as an organisation has decided upon Clinton come what may and Sander's is at best a token horse and at worst a thorn in their side to achieving this.

      There is absolutely no question that this would never have happened the other way around. Hilary Clinton's campaign being denied access to their own data because some staffer added strings to a url? Unthinkable. Clinton is the DNC's annoited. Sander's is an unexpected irritant and to be treated as such.

      This is a Rovian "technical glitch" story, spun into a convienient excuse to "ratfuck" the party's process for selecting a canditate in aid of helping people reach the "correct" result. Nothing more. Anyone, in 2015, still falling for the excuses being given here seriously needs to consider their critical thinking facilities.

      People wonder why Trump is leading the polls. Why people would be attracted to him. Has it ever occured tthat they are also being repulsed by this now standard "post-Watergate" behaviour that is so ubiquitious amoung the "respectable" candidates? I always wondered how far America's elites could test the trust and patience of the people before something finally gave. Trump's candidacy suggest we are nearing that breaking point. The DNC and Clinton's cynical selection gives no comfort we are moving away from it.

    2. Re:Background by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      But... political parties don't play favorites! Ron Paul was treated just like all the other presidential candidates, right?

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    3. Re:Background by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm surprised that Sanders' team would access such a database at all. It flies in the face of being a socialist, where personal data is not considered a commodity to sell and buy.

      In many more progressive countries, having a database of individuals for this purpose would be illegal. Individual rights trumps any corporate or party interests to data mine personal information, and concessions to run such a database would almost certainly not be granted.

    4. Re:Background by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bernie is unelectable, it's that simple.

      Go fuck yourself, shill.

      The only "reason" Sanders has for being allegedly-unelectable is that Hillary shills like you repeatedly assert that it's so, but it isn't. And we're done listening to you!

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    5. Re:Background by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fair point. My kid was in elementary school and noticed the media blatantly influencing the election. "Dad, why do they mention crazy every time they say Ron Paul's name?" and "Why did they cut the speech to make it look like he said something he didn't?"

      That said, Trump is not a career politician and can run his own campaign financially. Carson is another who is pretty popular for a guy who has never been a politician. I don't think that says that the Republican party has changed as much as the American populace is fed up with the corruption. 6 Months ago both parties said "Jeb vs. Hillary" and today it's not quite so clear. I know a whole lot of Dems who are not voting party this time because of how Hillary has been handled by everyone. Media has not crucified her for the scandals (of which there are plenty), or bothered to mention her double speak (where we have some hefty and career ending positions like pro-Feminism but pro Saudi Arabia). The debates have been intentionally hidden from view to protect Hillary as well.

      The fact that Bernie Sanders can still hold a lead in many places even after his own party joined in with the media lambasting him as a "Socialist" says as much about the Democratic party as Trump does for the Republican party. People are fed up.

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    6. Re:Background by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, no, Clinton did not access any of the Sanders data, and yes, we do KNOW that. It's not speculation, it's a known fact.

      ...as dictated by Nathaniel Pearlman, co-owner of NGP-VAN (the company in charge of the data), and Hillary Clinton's chief technology officer for her 2008 campaign. Surely there's no conflict of interest there, right?

      This should put a final end to the Sanders campaign

      Except it won't, regardless of what shills like you tell everyone what "should" happen. You can bray all you want about how Hillary is going to win the general election, but it doesn't make it so until it actually happens. I support Sanders, but I won't vote for Clinton. If you think that all of Sanders' supporters are going to switch to Hillary if she gets the Democratic nomination then you're wrong. I would rather see Sanders run as an independent in the general election, he already has the name recognition and support that would have precluded a run like that if he hadn't been allowed to debate on TV.

      But now we know the depths he'll stoop to in order to try for it anyway.

      What we know is that he didn't "stoop" to any "depth". His volunteer in charge of data caught the vendor with the firewall down, allowing the Clinton campaign access to all of the Sanders data. We also know that shills like you will continue to try and make this into a loss for Sanders. We already know how Clinton works, this doesn't change our minds. We know that Sanders is trustworthy, and we know that Clinton is not. The DNC can try to handicap Sanders but he already has our support.

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    7. Re:Background by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're also probably not people who would vote for a Democrat regardless, so where's the problem?

      Meanwhile, Sanders seems to actually appeal to a lot of moderate Republicans who realize that big business has been gutting this country, and share his belief that getting money out of politics is the most important thing we can do to preserve our democracy. And some of them don't even have a major objection to his main "scary socialist" plans - he's mainly talking about intervening in areas where capitalism has demonstrably failed, delivering a deeply sub-standard product at grossly inflated prices: namely general heath care and access to higher education. And then there's the bit about undercutting the tyrannical laws and militarized police force that have grown up around the "war on drugs" - that's something any freedom-loving American should be able to get behind.

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    8. Re:Background by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no evidence that any documents were improperly deleted.

      That seems like quite the statement. How do we determine this when she FUCKING DELETED EVERYTHING?

      The investigation shows that none of the documents which were sent to/from the server were classified at the time of transmission.

      That is a lie. The classification markings were removed from the documents, but as an original classification authority, there is strong evidence that she should have known that the items had been previously marked classified.

      There is no evidence presented to date which indicates any security breaches of the server, so there's no indication that unauthorized people might have gained access to those documents.

      So? The server was incredibly unsecure, it is a miracle if it wasn't breached, but as she had it wiped (after the subpoena for the information!), we may never know.

      It was legal at the time for someone in her position to use a private server for official communications

      No, it absolutely was against the law, and has been for a long time.
      http://www.archives.gov/about/...

      (something *both* of her predecessors also did)

      Incorrect. Both of her predecessors did not run their own servers. Rice didn't use email, and Powell used state email systems for official communication, and still turned over his private email (from a provider, not his own server) after he was done.

      The laws barring it were written and passed *after* she had stepped down.

      The law was clarified, it was edited to make it more clear that email was considered a record, but nothing about the law was changed, official records have always been required to be kept.

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  3. DNC doesn't want Sanders to Win Anyways by sasparillascott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The DNC doesn't want Sanders to be their candidate any more than the leadership of the GOP desperately doesn't want Trump to be their candidate - cause they both are afraid it would cost them the election at the Presidential and Senate level (and House seats too). Expect the DNC to do anything it can PR wise to help the expected winner to win. JMHO...

    1. Re:DNC doesn't want Sanders to Win Anyways by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree.Democrats like and support Sanders. They support Clinton.

      Republicans like but disagree with Sanders. They hate and disagree with Clinton.

      I'm finding it hard to understand why the DNC/establishment is so gung-ho about Clinton at a time when the Republicans look set to elect someone a significant number Republicans probably won't stomach.

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    2. Re:DNC doesn't want Sanders to Win Anyways by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm finding it hard to understand why the DNC/establishment is so gung-ho about Clinton

      Because Clinton is a corrupt fucking sociopath, which means she's much easier to make underhanded political deals with, so the other corrupt fucking sociopaths like working with her.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  4. Oh, and one more thing by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also, while yammering away about a guy and his exploit through a firewall he himself didn't shut down

    The DNC are using this as an excuse to lock the Sanders campaign out of its OWN DATA until whenever.

    That data is how we print up lists of voters, addresses, phone numbers, and how we record people's reactions and what they care about. It goes into an NGP-VAN server and will eventually be used by ALL the Dem candidates.

    And for 'whatever reason', the Democratic National Committee has decided to tell NGP-VAN to lock the Bernie campaign out of its own data, when we are counting the days until the first primaries.

    While arguing about the guy and how guilty he is of data intrusion, try to consider whether it's worth shutting down the whole campaign and locking them out of their computer systems until (unspecified impossible conditions here). Because this is looking like an intra-Democrat coup to coronate Hillary Clinton, and that really helps nobody.

    1. Re:Oh, and one more thing by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, that's me. I am a low level data peon typing in the results of canvassing and phone-banking in Keene, New Hampshire. I'm from Vermont, which is how I know about Bernie, and I'm working directly for Bernie's campaign. It's cool, good people, much like the Obama campaigns except more successful.

      I've donated to Bernie too :)

      I've personally typed data into the VoteBuilder system that Bernie's not allowed to access now, so I'm taking it personally. _I_ typed that data in. I've also given money directly to Bernie's campaign. Do they propose to take that and award it to Hillary too?

      I don't know the guy that accessed the data, but I know most of what's on those servers is the voter info, and lots of it is old and obsolete.

      I just talked to my boss in the campaign and they're having some kind of meeting and press conference. We actually feel this is a sign that Bernie's doing better than expected and the DNC is panicking. We think they're probably going to give the data back because it's totally impossible to spin 'shutting off Bernie's whole campaign' over one guy who wasn't even a hacker and who went right to the company and told them what he'd done.

      On the other hand, if the DNC are dicks and we can't get access to VoteBuilder, we've already seen enough to know the depth of support for Bernie, so we'll just have to go door-to-door without voter lists or data entry. Pure canvassing and ground game, the most important part.

      We can tell them what the Democrats are doing to try and stop us (this is why they're bound to give the data back: trying to shut us down that way makes Hillary look very bad. Her people run the DNC and also that database company itself) and we don't technically need VoteBuilder, it just helps organize stuff. You might say maybe we should be knocking on ALL the doors anyway!

      They can shut off the computers, but they can't shut off their own voters. And the Dem voters don't have to be turned off, we just need to get out there and talk to people. Bernie's an honest guy and has many great plans that will help the country, even as screwy as it is. We'll give people a chance to vote for Bernie: both in the primary, and then for President. And the country will start growing again, and rebuilding itself, which will put a lot of people to work.

    2. Re:Oh, and one more thing by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This whole thing stinks, it stinks because the co-owner of NGP VAN was Clinton's chief technology officer for her 2008 campaign. If there was proof that her campaign has had access to all of the DNC data during the entire campaign it wouldn't surprise me, the DNC and their pundits have clearly been trying to push the narrative that she is the presumed candidate, despite Sanders' surge in popularity, and I'm sure they're willing to do whatever they can to help her and prove themselves right. It doesn't really mean anything for Clinton's former CTO to say that he pinky-swears that their campaign never accessed the other side. It also makes no sense that anyone running a sensitive system would keep that system online while the firewall is offline for maintenance. If the data is important enough to have a firewall there, then before you take the firewall down you need to make sure that the data isn't going to be accessed or compromised in the meantime.

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    3. Re:Oh, and one more thing by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obvious shill is obvious.

      Sanders has never been racist or sexist.

      In fact, by falsely accusing him as such -- based solely on his race and gender -- Clinton reveals herself to be racist and sexist!

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  5. Exploiting? Or Trying to find out WTF is going on? by An+Ominous+Canard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could easily be shooting the messenger. The fellow responsible for protecting the Sanders campaign's voter data discovered that the DNC's patch had left their voter information database wide open. He starts determining the extent of the problem, which leaves an audit trail. As a result, he gets tossed over the side. Compare this to the commercial world. When you let one of your business customers discover that you've left their trade secrets wide open to their competitors, what happens? I guarantee that the employee who discovered it does not get sacked.

  6. Does not compute by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's try a somewhat-analogous scenario as a thought exercise:

    I find out that on my bank's website, I can easily see my neighbor's bank account by doing some obvious URL manipulation.
    I immediately tell the bank that I'm worried about the security of my own account because I know that I could go into anyone else's.
    The bank locks me, and only me, from accessing any bank accounts, including my own.

    That response makes no sense. The only proper response would be to revoke ALL access to the bank's website until such time as the security hole can be confirmed fixed. Otherwise, the implied message is that you should NEVER tell the bank that they have a potential problem.

    I just wonder whether this was actually a story of extreme incompetence or extreme corruption.

  7. Re:What's scary by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it's not, why haven't they unlocked the Bernie data yet?

    Pretty easy to look like a conspiracy to stop the Bern, when you 'suspend' the campaign and lock the guy out of his own data files. Do you think Hillary Clinton would have been locked out of access to her campaign's data files?

    The real question is, for how long. It's an important time, just weeks before the first primaries, and every day counts. This is one day that Bernie's people can't work on getting out the vote, because their systems are down.

    Well, not down: they're just not allowed to have them. Because it's totally democratic to handicap one entire campaign for a day or days or who knows HOW long, while allowing the other campaign to carry on canvassing.

  8. Re:What's scary by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh my GOD! it was him all along!

    And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!

  9. sniff sniff by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I smell a double agent.

  10. DNC has already annointed Hillary by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Powers That Be have stacked the deck against Bernie in every way imaginable. DNC chairman is a former Clinton campaign manager. They cut the number of primary debates because they learned from focus groups that the more people see and learn about Hillary, less they like her, while the opposite was true for Bernie -- his favorability went up the more people learned about him.

    Not only that, the few remaining debates have been scheduled to attracted as little viewership as possible (Saturday and Sunday nights, opposite major sporting events, Xmas shopping season, etc)

    This latest flap is just a curt reminder for Bernie that he's just here as a prop and that he needs to know his place.

  11. A Democrat FIRED someone?? by ScooterComputer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [I have no interest in voting for a socialist as President. Just not my politics. Also there is also NO WAY I'd vote for Hillary Clinton. NO WAY. But...]

    After all the political snafus and screw-ups that the Democrats have been involved with in the past 30 years, one thing is clear: NO ONE ever gets fired. Ever.

    So, if Bernie Sanders helmed a campaign that FIRED someone--I humbly submit that if you're trying to decide between the two, and don't want more of the same from this f'd up political system--Bernie should DEFINITELY get your vote.

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  12. Re:"Firewall" by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firewalls? Please. Anyone who knows anything about what a firewall is knows that firewalls do not do this sort of thing. Firewalls are 100% about controlling which ports are open or closed on a computer, and under what circumstances.

    No, "firewalls" are 100% about stopping literal fire from spreading from one part of a building to another. Anybody who knows anything about what a firewall is knows that, so you must be some kind of complete moron!

    See what happens when you disregard context? You make a fool of yourself. In this case, the non-technical politicians making the public statements are obviously using the word in a much less formal context than you assume.

    Granted, they probably should have called it a Chinese wall instead...

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz