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How Long Until the Cyborg Olympics Are Better Than the Traditional Games? (ieee.org)

the_newsbeagle writes: In October 2016, a stadium in Zurich will host the world's first cyborg Olympics. During this event, more officially called the Cybathlon, people with disabilities will use advanced technologies such as exoskeletons and powered prosthetic limbs to compete in the games. This article chronicles one team's training for the bicycle race, where the athletes will be people with paralyzed legs. The team is composed of the paralyzed biker who has an electrical stimulation system implanted in his body, and the engineers who built the gear that energizes his nerves and muscles.

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  1. Cyborg olympics? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Cyborg olympics? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      When there's trouble you know what to do
      Call Cyborg!
      He can shoot a rocket through his shoe
      Go call Cyborg!

  2. Supermod by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    In snowmobile racing, they used to have "stock" and "supermod" classes. I've always thought the Olympics should do the same and have separate events for those people willing to undergo harmful body modifications in order to win -- no drug testing necessary!

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    1. Re:Supermod by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      And somehow the honor system will make sure the athletes in the "unenhanced" category will not use drugs?

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    2. Re:Supermod by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      +1 great idea, but the super-mods will get all the $ponsor$hip$.

    3. Re:Supermod by swb · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that if they just didn't do drug testing *at all* what would happen is that athletes would take more and more aggressive substances until people started dying in competition and/or former athletes were impossibly sick.

      Once it reached that point, the athletes themselves would just refuse all but the most demonstrably benign performance enhancements and we'd mostly be back to where we are now (which IMHO is take what you can get away with, and mostly this means taking stuff that is benign enough not to show up on a drug screen, but not necessarily benign in long term effect).

      The problem with having performance enhancing drugs banned is that it just pushes it totally underground and athletes end up encouraged to take all manner of mystery substances in hopes of gaining an edge and if they do have illnesses that result, they themselves are part of a conspiracy of silence about it. Plus there's the endless cat and mouse game of ever-more-elaborate testing to find ever-more-tweaked substances.

      It's really no different than the current drug prohibition -- people will smoke all manner of Chinese toxic waste chemicals (aka "spice") because they're "legal" and mostly don't show up on drug tests. They get sick and can't really get help because nobody knows what the hell they've taken. Had they just smoked pot they wouldn't have that problem.

    4. Re:Supermod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And somehow the honor system will make sure the athletes in the "unenhanced" category will not use drugs?

      Gee, is that what we're using now?

    5. Re:Supermod by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      In snowmobile racing, they used to have "stock" and "supermod" classes. I've always thought the Olympics should do the same and have separate events for those people willing to undergo harmful body modifications in order to win -- no drug testing necessary!

      I think that's nominally the setting of a Niven/Barnes novel called "Achilles Choice."

  3. Just what makes you a cyborg? by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

    I have ocular implants and adjustable, augmented hearing. Is that enough to make me a cyborg? If not, why not, and how much more would it take?

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    1. Re:Just what makes you a cyborg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. You are a cyborg. I'll bet you can play a mean game of pinball too.

    2. Re:Just what makes you a cyborg? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      He is the modren man.

  4. Resistence is futile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More interesting is the cyborg gladiatorial fight.

    The winner can assimilate cybernetic parts from the vanquished. The last one standing will assimilate them all.

    Captcha: nested

    1. Re:Resistence is futile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, resistance. I guess I'm wise not to compete in the cyborg spelling bee game.

    2. Re:Resistence is futile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there was an episode in ghost in the shell about that. it's gonna be like f1, where the meat-bag gets hurled faster according to whom pays more research and they are mostly irrelevant in the sport but for hero celebration afterward.

      pure robotic fight, otoh.... I loved when that was televised. sadly there was no legged mech ever, but it was interesting.

  5. Define "better" by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

    All depends on how you define "better". Faster, further, higher? Soonish, if events are exact same-same. Some events like trap shooting a disability may not matter - I've seen a guy in a wheel chair keep up with the pros. Some like perhaps the high jump I'd almost expect them to do it kinda soonish - it becomes a matter of engineering. If you look at Olympic vs. Paralympic record - I picked 200m men's sprint - you can see some times that are getting *very* close to Usian Bolt's 9.30 second time from the 2008 games.

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    1. Re:Define "better" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would define 'better' in the broader sense, as the moment that a modified human wins the decathlon from an unmodified human, without the modified human changing his modifications in between events.
      But of course this is also an arbitrary definition.

      Regardless, the nice thing here is that this could do for prostethics what auto racing did for regular cars.

    2. Re:Define "better" by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      So if I break my little toe, have a top fuel dragster surgically attached, and then win the 100m dash, is that "better"?

      Faster, further, higher - all human achievement is easily surpassed by machines. Just because a human is a part of the machine doesn't mean that it should qualify for any Olympic event.

    3. Re:Define "better" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Regardless, the nice thing here is that this could do for prostethics what auto racing did for regular cars.

      Ugh. People are going to starting putting spoilers on their legs?

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    4. Re:Define "better" by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      The locomotion should probably be provided by legs in some way to keep it at least semi-interesting. Wheelchair racing on the other hand....

  6. Not to be confused with an athletic competition by kheldan · · Score: 1

    They shouldn't call such a thing an 'olympics' of any sort, because there's no real athleticism involved; it's more like a technology demonstration, and has more in common with 'Battlebots' than it does the Olympics.

    Of course that being said, the Olympics, anymore, are more about world politics than they are about athleticism anyway.

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    1. Re:Not to be confused with an athletic competition by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't call such a thing an 'olympics' of any sort, because there's no real athleticism involved; it's more like a technology demonstration, and has more in common with 'Battlebots' than it does the Olympics.

      Of course that being said, the Olympics, anymore, are more about world politics than they are about athleticism anyway.

      This.

      It's nice as a tech demo, but I wouldn't put much value in the results because really, it's just which country can spend the most money. And after a few times of it being between the US and China and a few other countries, interest will drop.

      I know the regular Olympics have rules regarding how much technology can be used (and sometimes it completely fails in amusing ways - US Olympic Swim Team, anyone?) because once it becomes a pure who can spend the most on R&D competition, interest fades.

    2. Re:Not to be confused with an athletic competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should probably RTFA (why yes, I am a tourist here from Fark; why do you ask?). It rather specifically mentions McClellan's training and its role in the competition.

    3. Re:Not to be confused with an athletic competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the original Greek games was all about politics. City states and powerful lords sponsored the training and competition of young athletes[1] as a show of their grandeur and generosity. People watched and felt the gods were satisfied.

      [1] Also, musicians and poets. It wasn't all muscles and no brains back then.

    4. Re:Not to be confused with an athletic competition by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

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    5. Re:Not to be confused with an athletic competition by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that the Olympics is already a competition of which country can spend the most on training facilities for its athletes:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/busine...
      http://www.yellowfinbi.com/YFC...

      Since it's always going to be about who can spend the most either way, I don't see why an engineering competition is any less interesting than an athletic competition.

      Motorsports (Formula One, Le Mans) are already like this, and I find it interesting because you get to see engineers push the boundaries of technology. It would be fantastic if we could push the boundaries of prosthetic technologies for disabled people.

  7. I WIN! by s.petry · · Score: 1

    iddqd idkfa

    Let's see who knows those two magic strings...

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    1. Re:I WIN! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      In this age of Google, you can't stump people that way any more. You forgot idclip, by the way.

    2. Re:I WIN! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      idclip was not in the original game so I did not forget it. If you didn't know the strings off the top of your head there is no magic.. it's just another crappy search result.

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    3. Re:I WIN! by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      plugh

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    4. Re: I WIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know the strings off the top of my head and immediately wondered if it's possibly the most useless thing I know.

    5. Re:I WIN! by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      invulnerability and keys and weapons, idfa is for weapons only
      does knowing these make me old?

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    6. Re:I WIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about idspispopd?

  8. Take it one more step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But how long until we have a purely robotic Olympics--not just augmented humans? (Not like BattleBots, but something more like Boston Dynamics BigDog or Cheetah robots...although cheetahs never win.)

  9. How Clean is Financing and Hosting? by cleara · · Score: 1

    Will we end up with the same issues regarding finances, hosting, and sponsorships? Will we end up with cities and states shelling out big bucks for empty promises and artists being sued for using anything closely resembling the logos in their artwork?

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  10. One question by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Will the proud people of Robonia be represented? I kind of have a thing for Coilette.

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  11. I'd like to see amateur competitors instead by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    Amateur instead of professionals, i.e. people that are really into sport but they have a non-sport day job. However, they are so good that others are willing to pay their room and board so these competitors can spend more time training. Each country selects the best amateur competitors to represent the best of the country's common people. (if you are already a professional sports player, sorry, you already have world cup and series competitions)

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    1. Re:I'd like to see amateur competitors instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This varies by sport. Ballroom dance, for instance (yea, yea, ...), has amateur and professional competitions... for years, they had differences, depending on whether they earned money, or... now, they're just two different groups, and you're a professional the day that you say that you're professional. Your "non-sport day job" thing hasn't worked in 100 years, because there are too many edge cases.

  12. Better how? by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    Performance, popularity, etc? If it ever did become really popular I think there would just be so many rules and regulations regarding the technology you can use that it would make it all pretty boring. Keep it unregulated and I think it would be interesting.

    1. Re:Better how? by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

      Enter the story of the athlete cutting off their legs to compete in the now popular cyborg Olympics. Or the "jockey" that is just a brain in a jar to get the weight of the robot down. I am all for it.

    2. Re:Better how? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Performance, popularity, etc?

      Smog and polluted water won't be a problem.

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  13. Re:It already is by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    The olympics are the single most boring events out there. This is just slightly more interesting.

    This. Most Olympic sports don't have much strategy to them. A lot of them are in part a question of who has the best unfair evolutionary advantage (how big are your feet, Australian Swimmer), in part a question of how much money you have for your coach (hi, rich kids!), in part a question of how much your country is willing to lie (Weren't the Chinese Gymnasts too young to compete last time, or something like that?), and in part a question of how good you are at not having your drugs detected (hello, Lance Armstrong). And don't forget the politics where judges select people not based on their ability or grace, but based on their personal resentment of the politics symbolized by the person being judged (hello, figure skating).

    Some people enjoy it, but lets not pretend its some pinnacle of human accomplishment, ideal competition, or... interesting television.

  14. How long? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Mmmm, how about now?

  15. That's a pretty low bar. by Oloryn · · Score: 2

    Given how commercialized and tied up in monopolies the traditional games are, isn't trying to be better than the tradional games setting the bar pretty low?

  16. Re:It already is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know how hard it is to find the person with the best genetics, that will train the hardest, with an expensive coach / equipment, with few public records floating around, and is morally flexible enough to cheat?

    The Olympics are about showing what nation is the most powerful and I think they do a fairly good job.

  17. Re:It already is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    best unfair evolutionary advantage

    How is evolutionary advantage unfair?

  18. remember that football game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reminds me of that cyborg coin op game..

  19. What dumbass thought of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a bunch of extremely competitive regular athletes. Some of them will never reach the top. But if they chop their legs off and stick on a pair of blades, they might be be winners after all. These people are obsessive enough without the temptation for mutilation.

  20. Re:It already is by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Don't forget rotten to the core, too

  21. Evolutionary Advantage by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    best unfair evolutionary advantage

    How is evolutionary advantage unfair?

    Seriously?

    It is unfair because it is an advantage that a person receives without effort, resulting in a biased starting point as compared to other competitors.

    Consider whether it is fair to have a basketball team of 5'4" players play against a team of 7'4" players. Both receive the same amount of practice.

    1. Re:Evolutionary Advantage by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      That might be unsportsmanlike, but not unfair. If someone chose to do something they're inherently bad at they should expect to lose to someone who chose to do something they are inherently good at -- that's only fair. Pretending everyone is identical doesn't do them justice.

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    2. Re:Evolutionary Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both receive the same amount of practice.

      Sounds fair to me. They've both had equal opportunity to maximize their performance. The taller team are just better at basketball. It isn't unfair that they're taller, it simply is as things are. Similarly, the players on the shorter team would make better jockeys or gymnasts or F1 drivers than the players on the taller team. Is that also "unfair"?

    3. Re:Evolutionary Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no more or less fair than allowing the shorter guys to take illegal growth hormones to reach 7' (which obviously doesn't exist in your example but might do for other sports e.g. weightlifting. And no more or less fair than allowing the the short guys to have extended leg bones implanted, hypothetically.

      There is of course a somewhat outdated Stone Age principle under threat here, which is that someone should be celebrated and rewarded because of what his father's sperm happened to contain.

    4. Re: Evolutionary Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sport IS about using and developing your advantages and disadvantages, you klutz.
      Consider your basketball team, if the smaller team beat the bigger team through better training, application and desire then we'd be celebrating it as a famous sporting victory.
      Look at Jessica Ennis, she's much smaller than her heptathlete contemporaries but has honed her skills so much she not only competes with them but wins at the highest level. She's used her size disadvantage to her advantage by developing other aspects of her game much more.

    5. Re:Evolutionary Advantage by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      That might be unsportsmanlike, but not unfair. If someone chose to do something they're inherently bad at they should expect to lose to someone who chose to do something they are inherently good at -- that's only fair. Pretending everyone is identical doesn't do them justice.

      Pretending everyone is identical is *exactly* what most sports do, because they don't adjust the rules based on the starting characteristics of a team, for example.

      I'll admit that fairness is, to some degree, an arbitrary concept and it's almost infinitely debatable what it means to be "fair." I think it's unfair to put two people in a boxing ring when one of them has a significant advantage that has nothing to do with his skill and then to herald the "winner" for being "better" when he just happens to have an advantage that he never worked for.

      Victories should be earned. A victory based on having bigger feet isn't an earned victory.

  22. Battlebots by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    It has already happened.

  23. Re:It already is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and in part a question of how good you are at not having your drugs detected (hello, Lance Armstrong)

    What Lance Armstrong did was wrong, but it had nothing to do with drugs. Please do not spread lies. Or if something else came up involving Lance Armstrong and drugs, then cite it.

  24. Re:It already is by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    and in part a question of how good you are at not having your drugs detected (hello, Lance Armstrong)

    What Lance Armstrong did was wrong, but it had nothing to do with drugs. Please do not spread lies. Or if something else came up involving Lance Armstrong and drugs, then cite it.

    It had nothing to do with drugs if you are the biggest Lance Armstrong supporter in the world, maybe. In the real world, if it quacks like a duck, it probably is one.

    See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  25. clear limits by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    There are (reasonably) clear expectations on what is allowable in the Olympics. No enhancements, no doping (although supplements are a bit of a grey area). There is a little bit of arbitrariness required to make clear rules. But it's nowhere as bad as in Cyborg Olympics. Where's the limit? We can't have rocket cars with a little bit of human DNA thrown in there competing in the 100m dash. How do you clearly define what a cyborg is in a way that will hold up in light of rapidly increasing technology?