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Street Fighter V Announced For Linux and SteamOS

An anonymous reader writes: Capcom has announced that their upcoming Street Fighter V game, one of the most anticipated games for 2016, will also be available for SteamOS and Linux. Already in place is support functionality for the Steam Controller, Valve's game controller that was recently updated with some new features. Ever since Valve launched Steam for Linux, the number of native Linux games has positively exploded. But will it be enough for gamers to choose a Linux distribution as their gaming platform?

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  1. No Sinfulness Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    To protect delicate western sensibilities, these versions will feature mandatory Burka costumes for all playable female characters.

  2. Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now we are talking serious games shit for my Linux. We rule! FINALLY!

    1. Re:Yippie! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I dunno about that. The most difficult thing about gaming on Linux is that troubleshooting is HARD. For example, imagine running a game and it doesn't even start, it just spits out the message "segmentation fault". Uh yeah...let me just type that into google...and...nope, just a vague description of a memory error. What could be wrong? Well, a lot of fucking things to be honest.

      Don't get me wrong, I use Linux every day (and in fact admin at least 20 of Linux servers) and it's a wonderful kernel for server OSes, but I've just never seen the appeal of running it for anything desktop related. The only way I foresee that is if basically everybody who would like to see Linux on the desktop could all get together and decide on the same software stack for use in practically every desktop environment (kind of like how every Android device runs essentially the same or at least 99.99% compatible stack.) The problem is, coders (and engineers in general) have their own way they like seeing things get done, and don't like doing it anybody else's way, thus when they work on their own and for their own benefit, there's no unified desktop environment that application developers can get behind.

      What Valve is doing with SteamOS is a good start (i.e. establishing a common set of libraries that are required,) but IMO they've got a ways to go.

    2. Re:Yippie! by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dunno about that. The most difficult thing about gaming on Linux is that troubleshooting is HARD. For example, imagine running a game and it doesn't even start, it just spits out the message "segmentation fault". Uh yeah...let me just type that into google...and...nope, just a vague description of a memory error. What could be wrong? Well, a lot of fucking things to be honest.

      And yet right now, on Windows, the SF5 beta is crashing for me. There's even less I can do because there are no messages at all.

      Worse, Ultra Street Fighter 4 randomly crashes out on me. No errors, no messages. Just up and vanishes mid-game. Other games give me, occasionally, random crash dialogs. So I doubt the troubleshooting situation can truly be worse on Linux.

    3. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new to this who new fangled linux thing.. someone gave you a ubunutu cd and you throught you would give this linux thing a try....

      You have no fucking idea what you're talking about..

    4. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are other problems. Like the lack of a common unified installation system requiring me to find specific installation packages that may or may not exist for my distro, or when you go fullscreen tabbing back to the desktop isn't always possible without exiting the game, or when critical libraries are required but my system can't fulfill the dependencies properly for one reason or another. Or when my kernel gets updated and then video drivers fail compilation for some reason. It's he little things that make gaming on Linux less than worthwhile. People don't want to fight with their OS, they want to get to the games.

      Fix the user experience if you want adoption, it's atrocious. People like to say it's getting better but the reality is that if you're a person who plays a lot of games Linux is a horrible operating system. For all its faults, Windows is a way better user experience.

    5. Re: Yippie! by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 2

      You seem to confuse SteamOS with Steam runtime. Steam runtime is, as you noted, a common set of libraries, while SteamOS I'd a distribution, so it unifies everything, from the kernel, through libraries, a compositor, to the unified user interface.
      Yes, just having a standard set of libraries is not enough, this is why Valve removed Tux icon or the whole Linux platform support concept from their store: they just cannot guarantee that a game will work on any weird Linux setup out there. Even Ubuntu (ie the only officially supported distribution) proved to be a moving target.

    6. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you been living under a rock or something? All the non-technical users are running an Ubuntu derived distribution and within that it's 99% the same. Supporting outside the hardware realm is really a non-issue at this point. There really are no other distributions of significance outside the Ubuntu derived distribution realm and so everybody supports it. I do support for a living (ie head guy here) too, know what I'm talking about, and we don't just support one distribution either, but anything and everything under the sun. We support a heck of a lot more than 20 servers/users too. We support it primarily on the desktop too! The key thing is making sure your selling hardware that actually works and your users know how to get support/hardware/etc. If it's freedom friendly it's highly unlikely to be a problem down the line. While I'd push users to Ubuntu or Linux Mint for ease of use support reasons the actual distribution tends to matter very little in the real world. Sticking to one of the major Ubuntu based distributions helps mainly in the situation where a user needs support from another party that may not be as competenat at supporting GNU/Linux or when they go to upgrade (a non-mucked up Ubuntu upgrades pretty seamlessly- though Linux Mint is now on LTS releases so it's not much an issue when the major releses aren't too frequent).

    7. Re: Yippie! by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Your statement seems rather misleading, it seems to imply they dropped Linux support.

    8. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, all the non-technical users are still using Windows. The technical users without a deep technical understanding of Linux are running Ubuntu. Non-technical users don't care about your idiological reasons for shunning operating system X, Y, or Z - they just want specific programs to work and their OS to be easy to use.

    9. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never had GTA 4 crash in Windows 8.1 either... because I was never able to get it to run after multiple hours of trying different things from many different sources. Yet it worked without a problem in Wine...

    10. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There are some various problems with getting things to work well in Linux, like drivers and audio problems (but much fewer than there used to be). But what you're calling out here has really nothing to do specifically with Linux. I've had games crash, typically with a seg fault, in Windows, OSX, Linux, and Android. Troubleshooting is typically near impossible in all of them unless you've come across a bug where it does it every after a very specific action. Game just crashes to desktop in Windows? Your options are about the same as if it seg faults in Linux, and it is a matter of luck whether there is a common and easy to fix bug. Otherwise you have a mess of different bugs to try out, with info buried among a bazillion forum threads and posts from people who have crashes for stupid reasons or misrepresent their problems that don't apply to most reasonable people.

    11. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your so dead wrong. A significant portion of my companies customers barely knows how to turn a computer on and many don't know they're using GNU/Linux in the first place. Your living in the past.

    12. Re:Yippie! by aliquis · · Score: 0

      And yet right now, on Windows, the SF5 beta is crashing for me. There's even less I can do because there are no messages at all.

      Worse, Ultra Street Fighter 4 randomly crashes out on me. No errors, no messages. Just up and vanishes mid-game. Other games give me, occasionally, random crash dialogs. So I doubt the troubleshooting situation can truly be worse on Linux.

      Maybe the problem is your computer (or drivers which isn't MicrosoftÂs and the game developers fault but rather say AMDÂs?)

      If games crashes for you fix what's broken. Shitty graphics card? Memory module?

    13. Re: Yippie! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I assume if one use Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, Redhat or OpenSUSE chances are decent that it works, most so with Ubuntu, but also if Steam become a major title on those OSes maybe they'd take greater care in not breaking it.

    14. Re:Yippie! by demented_hedgehog · · Score: 1

      Data is not the plural of anecdote. Are you suggesting that no games crash on Windows for anyone? Is it really that unbelievable that a couple of games don't work on a given system.

    15. Re: Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could you know? There's a reason the comment was WRT troubleshooting.

    16. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it's like you don't even know what the word beta means.

      Linux will never be usable for the same things that Windows is. Get over it.

    17. Re:Yippie! by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. like all those games on windows that mysteriously crash to desktop with only a 'this application crashed' logged in system logs.

      Debugging is hard regardless of os.

    18. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that no games crash on Windows for anyone?

      No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Just providing a counter example for a known troll.

    19. Re:Yippie! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The Lemmings are just burying their heads up their collective asses. I used to maintain the bug database for a Windows game studio. There's PLENTY that can go wrong on a PC running Windows when it comes to gaming.

      A PC is a messy random collection of spare parts. Hardware bits quite often don't play nice with each other. Particular games can be coded for a particular GPU vendor. There's all kinds of nonsense that could be going on.

      This is why mundanes don't bother with PCs and just get consoles.

      While the Lemming morons are saying nay, I'm going to be having fun with this.

      This is just the thing to run on the overpowered Linux HTPC that I have attached to my projector in the home theater.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    20. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to 2015, Rip Van Winkle.

      The most popular operating system in the world is called "Android" and it is a Linux distribution. Windows and Microsoft are irrelevant and nobody cares about them any more.

    21. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying a game in the "beta" stage of development has issues? Surely you jest!

    22. Re:Yippie! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Street Fighter V Announced For Linux and SteamOS

      Like the lack of a common unified installation system requiring me to find specific installation packages that may or may not exist for my distro

      If a Linux game uses Steam Runtime and is greenlit for distribution through the Steam store, this common unified installation system is called Steam.

    23. Re:Yippie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A PC is a messy random collection of spare parts. Hardware bits quite often don't play nice with each other. Particular games can be coded for a particular GPU vendor. There's all kinds of nonsense that could be going on.

      This is why mundanes don't bother with PCs and just get consoles.
      While the Lemming morons are saying nay, I'm going to be having fun with this.

      This is just the thing to run on the overpowered Linux HTPC that I have attached to my projector in the home theater.

      Even someone with a deep love of computing problems can't appreciate a broken SLI profile when they're trying to relax.

      I guess it's easier to tolerate PC gaming problems when it's not robbing time from more advanced things you could be using computers for.

    24. Re:Yippie! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      This is why mundanes don't bother with PCs and just get consoles.

      Christ you're a wanker.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  3. Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meh, you really need a 6 button controller for Street Fighter. The 6 button Genesis was the best hand held controller ever.

    1. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Z80a · · Score: 2

      There are quite a few ways to plug a six button sega genesis controller, or even a sega saturn controller to a PC and play the newfangled games with it.

    2. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by ledow · · Score: 1

      Gosh. Guess Valve bringing out a Steam controller with all kinds of customisability and the ability to have as many buttons as you like (customisable pads, shoulder buttons, etc.) is a waste of time then?

      Or you could plug in an XBox 360 controller - the USB adaptors for the PC are literally a few pence now - and have four buttons, four shoulders, D-pad, two thumbsticks, etc.?

      Steam know that some things are keyboard/mouse, some are joystick, some are "joypad" (as they were called in my day) and some are steering wheel / other specialist controllers. That's why they released one of their own joypads and made the entire product navigable using just that from your TV.

    3. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Meh, you really need a 6 button controller for Street Fighter. The 6 button Genesis was the best hand held controller ever.

      Meh, you really need a stick for Street Fighter. The only D-Pad that doesn't suck is the one on the original NES. Every other one, it's too easy to input a diagonal when you want a straight. The Famicom D-Pad was flimsy, so the NES really wins the "only good dpad" contest... fucking patents

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a filthy casual? 2D fighting games demand arcade-style joysticks.

    5. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I used to put my two quarters in and play for hours as people would come try to win. Gimme the stand-up and we'll talk. Technically, I have a cabinet and the boards (no screen) and whatnot. However, that's to be a MAME box some day. Errr... I've been saying that for like ten years now. That day doesn't appear to be getting closer.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    6. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by AntmanGX · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The NES wasn't without flaw. It was perfect when it was new - but enough use and it would eventually wear to the point that left and right or up and down could be pressed simultaneously. Some games really didn't like that.

    8. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I already have two of those I use with Linux already.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    9. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're inexperienced or on crack. The Mega Drive d-pad was miles better than the NES d-pad. The best controller, by far, on the NES was the NES Max.

    10. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That little shit would've been owned by Tomo with an arcade stick back in the day.

    11. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by AntmanGX · · Score: 1

      Thanks to the internet and the spread of information, the level of play in fighting games is higher than it's ever been in its history - and yet still there are a lot of high profile players (Luffy, Smug, Problem X, Nuckle Du, Snake_eyez, Alioune in Street Fighter alone) that play fighting games on a controller of some form. So no, I don't think that's true at all - pads themselves don't really have any inherent disadvantage compared to an arcade stick, it's just whatever you are comfortable with.

    12. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You're inexperienced or on crack. The Mega Drive d-pad was miles better than the NES d-pad. The best controller, by far, on the NES was the NES Max.

      The NES Max was only good for air hockey. It was super hard to go the right direction with it. The Advantage was pretty sweet, though.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    13. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, the NES Max dominated. In fact, I recall people considered using one as cheating because they worked so well.

      I easily beat dozens of games with an NES Max. Castlevania, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Adventure of Link, Ghosts N Goblins, Blaster Master and many other games that people considered "difficult".

    14. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The players now are crap compared to the guys at the arcades and tournaments in the early 90s.

    15. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a clone of that controller, with a USB plug: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KX75UT6/

    16. Re:Meh, you really need a 6 button controller by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      What? A helpful AC? Shit, everyone to their bomb shelters, the end is here!

  4. It's not Linux versus Windows for me by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I play games on Linux. I loved the Portal games, and I'm spending more time than is perhaps good for me in Kerbal Space Program. Got XCOM waiting for me once I take a break from KSP. On my laptop I play FTL, and I've slowly playing through Baldurs Gate; something fun to do during business trips.

    If I didn't have these games on Linux, I would not be playing on Windows. Dual-booting is completely impractical, since you'd have to close your work and shut down just to play a game. I'd not use Windows; I'd probably just get a game console instead. Or be content with the games I can play on my tablet. Without Linux games, I would not be playing PC games at all.

    --
    Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
    1. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I play games on Linux. I loved the Portal games, and I'm spending more time than is perhaps good for me in Kerbal Space Program. Got XCOM waiting for me once I take a break from KSP. On my laptop I play FTL, and I've slowly playing through Baldurs Gate; something fun to do during business trips.

      If I didn't have these games on Linux, I would not be playing on Windows. Dual-booting is completely impractical, since you'd have to close your work and shut down just to play a game. I'd not use Windows; I'd probably just get a game console instead. Or be content with the games I can play on my tablet. Without Linux games, I would not be playing PC games at all.

      Why does _anyone_ care that you play PC games or not?

      I'm pretty sure that people making and selling the games would care..

    2. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steam is nice about refunds: you can buy some Windows game, try it on Linux (Install Windows steam on Linux via PlayOnLinux/Wine), and get a refund if it doesn't work well enough (as long as you don't play too long). So far I'm 2 for 2 trying games that they don't list as known to work (Undertale and Life is Strange both played fine).

      I have a Windows install to fall back on if running it on Linux fails, but so far I haven't needed it. I mostly just play native Linux games, but its nice to play some of the more enticing Windows ones without having to reboot.

    3. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that people making and selling the games would care..

      Sure, but the OP is in the extreme minority...

      The reality is that the vast majority of games sold are sold for Windows. That isn't going to change any time soon.

    4. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by demented_hedgehog · · Score: 1

      Porting games to Linux is getting a lot easier since Unreal Engine and Unity (and other game engines) now build executables for Linux. What's required is for the Linux game market share to be large enough that there's money to be made going to the trouble to do that. It's at 1% according to steam, but I've seen figures that say it's at 1.7% elsewhere. Macs at 3.4%. The larger the title, the more money involved, the more motivation there is to support a Linux version, e.g. Civ 5 I think made circa $250 million (extrapolating from number of sales and average price .. possibly an overestimate but then I'm only counting steam figures). That means there's $2.5 million from Linux sales. If it's as simple as having one dude supporting the Linux port then it's certainly worth it.

      The larger the Linux market, the more reason there is for porting to Linux which increases the Linux market.. positive feedback and Linux gaming starts to snowball. That's why the Linux release of Street Fighter V is so good, despite the fact that Windows still has 95% of the market on steam.

    5. Re: It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of games sold are for phones and consoles. Consoles platforms can change quite a bit and quickly whenever a new one comes out.

    6. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet...im the same. Just perhaps the minority is not that extreme.

    7. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.5 million is nothing if you spend 2.55 million in porting and supporting it

    8. Re:It's not Linux versus Windows for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's changing, gradually. I just switched over to Ubuntu Gnome on both the laptop and the gaming desktop, because there are enough games for SteamOS/Linux to keep me content now. As a bonus, I get to lock Windows away in a VM that stays powered down unless I need it for something specific.

      Steam for Linux is a driving force in getting more cross-plaform games. You may not like Valve/Steam, but they're getting results.

      It's also getting easier to share a video card with a Win VM via Linux KVM, which brings us closer to OS X / Parallels Coherence mode.

  5. Why is this news?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this news?

    1. Re:Why is this news?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for one, Capcom has never shown any interest in supporting Linux in any way.
      This news is very unexpected.
      It also means other Capcom games may be ported to Linux, like Resident Evil.
      Street Fighter V is one of the biggest games to be confirmed for Linux.
      Unreal Engine 4 is probably key here; makes porting to Linux easy.

  6. Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    "But will it be enough for gamers to choose a Linux distribution as their gaming platform?"

    Not if they're smart. When it comes to ease of use, performance and backwards compatibility, Windows kills Linux all day long. And it always will.

    1. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never play a game or a use a software that is not Open Source as my policy is to pay for nothing.

    2. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's funny. I need to use linux to play old windows (and DOS) games. They just don't work with windows any more.

    3. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're a cheap asshole?

    4. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can just hear the slogan:

      Linux - 30 year old gaming. today.

      Seems about accurate.

    5. Re:Face it by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Informative

      > When it comes to ease of use, performance and backwards compatibility, Windows kills Linux all day long. And it always will.

      Windows requires a massive multistep procedure to not leak data like crazy to Microsoft. Fixing it requires command line garbage, scripts, etc. Linux doesn't require any of that configuration- out of the box it just works. Windows you have to dick around with the wusa package manager and that binary registry just to get a fraction of the security and privacy that Linux has for free.

      But lets go further:

      Performance- Linux outperforms Windows at almost every task an OS does. The exception is if you write a game just to support Windows APIs, as many games do. Microsoft didn't do anything to make their platform perform better- far from it. They have a large userbase, so many developers jump through hoops to support it. The same thing applies to drivers- Microsoft didn't write those, third party companies did, and if the Linux version is ever less than the Windows version at something, it's the fault of those companies.

      Backwards compatibility- I'm really not aware of older Linux programs failing to work on modern Linux. Maybe, somewhere, that's true- I certainly don't see it though. Linux comes packed in with standard utilities dating back to the damned 70s for fucks sake. Windows struggles just to support shit from the Windows XP era. Linux is vastly more backwards compatible than Windows- hell, it even supports programs written for stuff from prior decades BEFORE IT EXISTED.

      It always will- Nothing you've said is true. What Windows has is a big user base. That's the limit of its power. It can't even run fucking bash and it's 2015- every real OS has supported that for over a decade. It's a joke of an OS with holes at every level, unreadable binary bullshit for config files, random hex strings in random places a mile deep in a HKEY_CURRENT_BULLSHIT, a terrible command line package manager, a shitty shell that tries to look like DOS and fails, random idiotic access controls that protect viruses but not users, and an entire industry built to find and remove the malicious shitware that infests the platform. Linux runs MOST windows programs, and MANY windows games. Windows can't run a single fucking Linux binary without a goddamned VM!

      Here's what Windows has: a big userbase. This means that some developers just make Windows versions of shit, and never even compile a Linux version- this means that there are many windows only programs, games especially. But that's not something Windows did. Microsoft doesn't write all those games. Microsoft doesn't even write all the goddamned drivers.

    6. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to ease of use, performance and backwards compatibility, Windows kills Linux all day long. And it always will.

      Except for when those games integrated with services in earlier versions of Windows that didn't get promoted and involve libraries no longer working in newer versions. Games for Windows Live disappearing, for example, killed (or greatly increased difficulty of getting to work) various games that are only a couple years old.

    7. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's cheap, or he's poor. Neither of those make him an asshole.

    8. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Funny

    9. Re:Face it by NoZart · · Score: 1

      The point is, none of this matters. Simpleton user doesn't care for privacy, never opens a command line, doesn't give a shit about registries and is not interested in running decades old software.

      The superficial part of windows is working in such a way that simpleton user can get by for years without ever opening a settings screen or troubleshoot beyond "going to the steam forums and search for the same sort of crash i am experiencing"

      Linux has a very thin superficial layer - Yes, you can run windows programs; but getting them is almost never only a doubleclick. Yes it can run decades old software - but in certain cases it involves something simpleton user doesn't want to do: work it. Yes it has mighty shells in form of bash and the like - but simpleton user is not interested in using a black box of text when he can just click on things.

      And the performance part? Yes, linux is stronger in that part, too - but mostly in cases that are irrelevant to simpleton user. Most games i have crosstested on Linux s. Windows performance DO run better in windows. That starts with configuration stuff like just plugging in a controller and start gaming without ever needing to touch anything and ends with framerates and fidelity.

      And guess what? Simpleton user is the main demographic for computers these days. The pros get by with opensource and pirating anyway, so why pander to them?

    10. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows requires a massive multistep procedure to not leak data like crazy to Microsoft."

      Most people don't care that Windows is part of a botnet by default.

      "I'm really not aware of older Linux programs failing to work on modern Linux."

      Try running apt-get install (or whatever) xmms on a modern Linux distro. Then try running an installer for Winamp circa 1997 on Windows 10. I'll wait...

      "What Windows has is a big user base."

      It always will. Many Linux devs actively loath their users. That's not going to make Linux GAIN popularity.

      Windows most certainly has warts. But in the end, it's superior to desktop Linux in all the ways that matter.

    11. Re:Face it by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Backwards compatibility- I'm really not aware of older Linux programs failing to work on modern Linux. Maybe, somewhere, that's true- I certainly don't see it though. Linux comes packed in with standard utilities dating back to the damned 70s for fucks sake. Windows struggles just to support shit from the Windows XP era. Linux is vastly more backwards compatible than Windows- hell, it even supports programs written for stuff from prior decades BEFORE IT EXISTED.

      You are mixing two different concepts and thus comparing apples and oranges: you're comparing source-level backwards-compatibility on Linux to binary-level compatibility on Windows. Yes, you can take old source-code and have it compile happily on a modern Linux-distro, but you're not running an old binary then!

      It can't even run fucking bash and it's 2015

      http://win-bash.sourceforge.ne... or https://www.cygwin.com/ -- Poof, bash on Windows.

      Linux runs MOST windows programs, and MANY windows games. Windows can't run a single fucking Linux binary without a goddamned VM!

      Another apples-to-oranges comparison. Linux does *NOT* natively run Windows-binaries, you have to run them under Wine. There is nothing stopping one from making a similar translator for running Linux-binaries under Windows, and there isn't that much of a difference between Wine and a full-blown VM.

    12. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you do not run them under wine, wine is an implementation of the windows API, your windows binary runs natively on the hardware.

    13. Re: Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but his statement sure makes him one.

    14. Re: Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn how to use DOSBox.

    15. Re:Face it by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Backwards compatibility- I'm really not aware of older Linux programs failing to work on modern Linux.

      That's because you obviously don't play games on Linux. I give you loki_compat.

      Linux is vastly more backwards compatible than Windows- hell, it even supports programs written for stuff from prior decades BEFORE IT EXISTED

      NO. It supports source code like that. It doesn't support executables like that, or at least, not well. Compatibility problems abound.

      What Windows has is a big user base. That's the limit of its power. It can't even run fucking bash and it's 2015- every real OS has supported that for over a decade.

      Wrong again, chuckles. I give you Cygwin, and also [the now discontinued] Services For Unix, under which it was possible to compile bash.

      a shitty shell that tries to look like DOS and fails

      No, Windows now has three shells. One that looks like dos and succeeds brilliantly (command.com), one that is the original shell for NT (CMD.EXE) and one that's object-oriented and lends itself to typing commands several lines long, Powershell. Powershell does numerous things Unix shells don't.

      Linux runs MOST windows programs, and MANY windows games.

      Nonsense. You certainly can't use the wine compatibility guide as evidence, because Wine is THE poster child for regressions. I have never had a Windows game of any complexity work through more than a couple of Wine updates. I get it working, under some version of Wine, then I update my system and it breaks again. That's why I finally just gave up and built two totally separate PCs, one for Windows and one for everything else. Wine is awesome, and it is also shit.

      Windows can't run a single fucking Linux binary without a goddamned VM!

      And Linux can't run a single Windows binary reliably without a VM, which basically boils down to the same thing; either way, you need an OS in a VM for back compatibility.

      Windows and Linux both have back compat problems, and pretending they don't is just bullshit. I've had to tweak programs' code for changes in the Linux kernel before, or libc, so suggesting that it magically supports old source code is also bullshit.

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    16. Re:Face it by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      > When it comes to ease of use, performance and backwards compatibility, Windows kills Linux all day long. And it always will.

      Windows requires a massive multistep procedure to not leak data like crazy to Microsoft.

      Ubuntu much?

      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...

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    17. Re:Face it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Windows requires a massive multistep procedure to not leak data like crazy to Microsoft.

      Ubuntu much?

      In order to make Ubuntu not leak data, you turn off one switch. In order to make Windows 10 not leak data, you have to use the enterprise version and you have to do a bunch of stuff not exposed in the GUI and not documented by Microsoft. Updates have also been delivered to Windows 7 and 8 which add Windows 10-esque spying "telemetry" features; at least there it can simply be uninstalled, or not installed to begin with, but that requires that the user either have some foreknowledge of which patches to skip or substantial technical knowledge and the time to take the multi-click process to read all of the patch release notes. It is ignorant at best to suggest that Ubuntu is anywhere near as offensive a violator of privacy as Microsoft, especially when your own link makes it clear that this is not the case.

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    18. Re:Face it by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Performance- Linux outperforms Windows at almost every task an OS does. The exception is if you write a game just to support Windows APIs, as many games do. Microsoft didn't do anything to make their platform perform better- far from it. They have a large userbase, so many developers jump through hoops to support it. The same thing applies to drivers- Microsoft didn't write those, third party companies did, and if the Linux version is ever less than the Windows version at something, it's the fault of those companies.

      Uh huh, Microsoft didn't do anything to actually make their platform better or popular they just won the lottery. It actually reads like a stereotype of an angry Linux nerd rant.

      Microsoft has invested a ton in libraries, languages, IDEs like DirectX, C#, Visual Studio and so on to make it easy for developers. They offered kool-aid and the developers drank deep. Windows has infinitely better binary compatibility than Linux, which matter to all these developers who write propriatery code. And being able to install random binaries from dubious sources, particularly pirated versions is the source of most botnet/virus/trojan problems yet if Microsoft makes an app store and go signed apps only well that's the evil empire ceasing control.

      There are only two things I'd want to be genuinely happy with Windows:
      1) A mode that defaults to privacy and security. No, you will not automatically log me in online. No, you will not send any data or metadata anywhere except with explicit permission. No telemetry, no Cortana, no advertising ID, no sharing WiFi passwords, nothing. And that choice manages defaults for future updates too. I'd actually be cool with a no third party software default here too, like Android. Call it enhanced security mode or something.
      2) Keep the "Last version of Windows" idea, stop the forced bundling of features and security updates. The primary reason people didn't upgrade is that it costs money, it won't be like XP. Now I'm clinging to my Windows 7 because I know how it will look in 2016-2019, with Windows 10 I don't know if you'll make some change I absolutely hate next month but since it's bundled with security patches I got no choice and no time to adjust. Let the apps do the version pushing, if they require a newer version of Windows then I have a choice.

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    19. Re:Face it by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Programs from the 70s that run on linux still are updated and maintained, though.
      Try to run something that uses GTK1 (xmms was a good example), or some other wildly outdated library, or perhaps even something that will only work with libfoo-1.4 and not libfoo-1.5 : it won't run or compile.

    20. Re:Face it by DrXym · · Score: 1
      So instead you advocate installing an app with cloud based authentication and DRM which "phones home" onto Linux instead. At least be consistent in your argument. If you object to data gathering then don't install Steam.

      And let's lightly address your other arguments. Performance - nope there is no substantial difference between Windows and Linux on the same hardware. They're both mature operating systems and unsurprisingly they're both very efficient. The place you most likely see a difference is in things like graphics drivers and more often than not it is Windows that enjoys the performance advantage as this comparison demonstrates.

      Backwards compatibility. Oh please. Windows is not perfect by any means but chances are extremely high that any 32-bit application / game software you have will work, even if you have to run it with some compatibility flags. Even when you have 64-bit Windows. If you want to run older software on Linux you'd better have the source code and hope it recompiles because chances are you're going to suffer badly otherwise. To bring it around to games I suggest you dig out some old Loki game ports and see how you get on installing them. Maybe you'll be lucky, but I doubt it and will be scrabbling around making fake roots with the deps it wants to make it happy.

      User base. And here's the rub. Windows does have the user base and it looks on continuing to be that way. Developers chase the biggest platforms to recoup their investment and that means consoles and PCs. They may think of porting to SteamOS / Mac, assuming the money's there to make it worthwhile but they may not. Perhaps SteamOS will take off but I rather suspect Valve are just doing it to seed the market a bit for some streaming / cloud initiative and have little interest in fat clients let alone other Linux dists.

      And just because SteamOS is Linux based doesn't mean some random game will work on some random Linux - I threw about 6 games onto an old laptop running Fedora Core 23 recently - 4 ran okay, one printed up a bunch of diagnostic bullshit about stream controllers and one (Goat Simulator) managed to hardcrash the PC. Not very promising. It points to some devs lacking the inclination or resources to test their games on Linux to the extent that they should.

    21. Re:Face it by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Actually you do not run them under wine, wine is an implementation of the windows API, your windows binary runs natively on the hardware.

      That's like saying you don't run Linux-apps under Linux or Windows-apps under Windows since they run natively on the hardware.

    22. Re:Face it by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Programs from the 70s that run on linux still are updated and maintained, though.

      Those have absolutely nothing to do with backwards-compatibility, and many of them run under Windows, too.

    23. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just explained why Windows has such a large userbase, which was the one aspect that the parent post repeated hammered in. He was disputing the claim that, "When it comes to ease of use, performance and backwards compatibility, Windows kills Linux all day long. And it always will."

    24. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never play a game or a use a software that is not Open Source as my policy is to pay for nothing.

      Come on... even by "obvious troll is obvious" standards, that's overly obvious. :-)

    25. Re:Face it by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      "And being able to install random binaries from dubious sources, particularly pirated versions is the source of most botnet/virus/trojan problems yet if Microsoft makes an app store and go signed apps only well that's the evil empire ceasing control."

      Windows and Linux both have their roots in an age before sandboxing of executables. It's an all-or-nothing thing: If you allow a program to run, there's almost no restriction on what it can do. Contrast with something like, for example, Android - an OS which allows quite fine-grained control over what each individual program is able to access. If Windows or Linux worked like that you could just right-click your dodgy keygen program, select 'run with restrictions' and untick the boxes for writing to a file, changing system configuration or accessing the network.

    26. Re:Face it by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Windows requires a massive multistep procedure to not leak data like crazy to Microsoft. Fixing it requires command line garbage, scripts, etc. Linux doesn't require any of that configuration- out of the box it just works. Windows you have to dick around with the wusa package manager and that binary registry just to get a fraction of the security and privacy that Linux has for free.

      The majority of computer users don't care. If they did, they'd stop clicking on every "you won" e-mail that enters their in-box.

      I'm a technical user, and *I* don't care either, for what it is worth.

      Performance- Linux outperforms Windows at almost every task an OS does.

      Meh, not in the ways most people care about. Does Linux run MS Word faster in some way that an end user will see over Linux? Oh yea, Word doesn't run there. :) It actually might, given the new direction MS has taken, but it hardly matters, Word is "fast" enough on just about any hardware.

      Windows struggles just to support shit from the Windows XP era.

      No it doesn't, it actually runs the vast majority of XP programs just fine. Some early ones and some poorly coded ones perhaps not, but the mainstream stuff works fine. The stuff that doesn't likely has had 10 new versions released since then and no one longer cares.

      Some games do have trouble, largely because they were poorly coded, but a whole lot of early games run fine. My son loves playing Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds on Windows 10. Other than the resolution limits, it works fine, but that is the game's fault, not Windows.

      Linux runs MOST windows programs, and MANY windows games.

      No, it does not.

    27. Re:Face it by maugle · · Score: 1

      Funny story. My brother and I tried to set up an ad-hoc wifi network to play some multiplayer games. I run Linux, and was able to create the ad-hoc network easily (just by "clicking on things", of course) and the game ran flawlessly in WINE. My brother could run the game, but guess what? Windows 8 takes a big step back and shits all over the concept of ease of use, because it doesn't let you connect to or create ad-hoc networks without opening a command prompt and invoking a set of arcane powershell commands.

      So, there's my little anecdote. WIndows has a very thin superficial layer of usability, but when you want to do anything marginally difficult (even things that were easy in a previous version), Windows makes it next to impossible. Meanwhile, it's easy for any simpleton user to do the same thing in Linux.

    28. Re:Face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing assholes get their panties in a twist over telemetry features. Practical people don't. Linux has better performance? Only marginally if you're NOT running a DE. Get back to me when you get a decent display server that isn't anchored in the 80s. Windows backward compatibility is excellent. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY Windows XP era program that won't run on recent versions of Windows, save for some specialty software on the business side. Linux really only works well for servers, embedded systems, and mobile devices. On a desktop? Only really suitable for people who don't do anything but open a web browser (your grandma) or hardcore Unix dweebs that get a hard-on compiling source code.

    29. Re:Face it by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      the d3d layer is wrapped by opengl. This is what hurts performance most of the time.

    30. Re:Face it by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The problem with Windows is Windows.

      It's a great ecosystem (driven by a monopoly only mindset) that has computing history's single biggest turd sitting right in the middle of it.

      This is why most people would rather use ANY thing other than a general purpose desktop PC to do their gaming.

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    31. Re:Face it by tepples · · Score: 1

      How should developers of an Open Source game keep the roof over their heads and food on their tables? Historically, the business models for free software have applied far better for programs to that act as a platform or infrastructure for other applications than to games.

    32. Re:Face it by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > Ubuntu much

      No, incorrect, and FUCK YOU.

      Here's the "no" part:
      It's trivial to turn off the ONE place that Ubuntu can send your searches from. It's a search bar that defaults to an internet search. Microsoft has that too, and it's trivial to turn off- and no one cares that Microsoft does it. I suspect most OSes have a bar that can be set to do an internet search, or a local search.

      Here's the "incorrect" part:
      Ubuntu is turning this off as a default feature, based on feedback.

      Here's the "FUCK YOU" part:
      Fuck you for making this false equivalence. Ubuntu is not all of Linux, and even if their one goddamned thing that they fucked up was impossible to turn off or meant to be damaging, it wouldn't matter because Ubuntu isn't even the most common distro- Mint is. Bitching about Ubuntu is like bitching about the shitware that comes on a Lenovo- Lenovo is not Windows, and Ubuntu is not Linux. Every time someone links this, I actually wonder if they are shilling, because there's literally no way that these things are equivalent. Read the Windows EULA, where it says that they get your keystrokes, voice input, file system, file DATA, contacts, phone calls, envelope information on all comms, envelope information on all use, which programs you run, when you run them. Go check out all the things you have to turn off to disable this- you set some stuff in the GUI, but you aren't even a quarter done. You gotta go in and turn off every other goddamned thing on the command line with wusa, you gotta go edit a bunch of registry stuff, you have to disable some services and remove some other services, and of course, you need an external router firewall to block packets that Microsoft makes ignore your firewall rules and hosts file. To fucking bring up a default-on internet search bar with a trivial opt out is disingenuous, to pretend that Ubuntu is all of Linux is retarded, and to compare this to Microsofts full use case harvesting is libelous.

      Stop fudding.

    33. Re:Face it by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > Uh huh, Microsoft didn't do anything to actually make their platform better or popular they just won the lottery.

      I didn't say that at all. Can you find that? No. All you got is a straw man and a personal attack.

      Microsoft has a massive userbase for several reasons. A giant part of that is the long period of time they had a functionality and usability advantage over the competitors. But that was a long time ago.

      I'm not really convinced that the binary compatibility part is that accurate, but I can't dismiss it trivially. I will say Windows has issues supporting binaries from just a few years ago, but I just never seem to have the back portability problems on Linux that Windows has- but with so much of Linux being able to be recompiled to be optimized and perfect for whatever we're doing NOW, it's kind of a hard comparison.

      Yes, of course you'd be happy with a version of Windows that could be attached to the internet safely, but now that it's not in Microsoft's interest to provide that, I guess you get to write letters or something until they finally decide to fix their shit. Maybe they will, but if they do, it will be entirely because people make noise about it. The joke is, if they DO this, you'll be like "see, they aren't so bad" to the very people who convinced them against their "better" judgment, and if they don't, you'll end up with some nest of scripts that you BELIEVE offers you privacy. Hell, right now your Windows 7 is leaking crazy amounts of data based on the telemetry updates pushed last spring that they only turned on in the summer- unless you wusa-ed them away, which you may or may not have done- it's possible to turn this shit off in 7 with only a few dumb steps, probably. Definitely not in 10.

    34. Re:Face it by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > The majority of computer users don't care.

      The fact that not everyone is an expert at every single thing doesn't give anyone the moral right to abuse the fuck out of them for that fact.

      > Oh yea, Word doesn't run there. :)

      Something not running under Linux is not the fault of the OS. It's a fucking WINDOWS PROGRAM. Made by the company that makes WINDOWS. It's Microsoft's fault that there's no Linux version of Word. The default assumption for a Windows program is not that it runs on every fucking OS. The fact that Linux even TRIES to support Windows programs, when Windows has no such support for Linux, is a giant argument for Linux, and against Microsoft. It's disgusting that you would imply that this is somehow a Linux issue. Just so foul.

      > it actually runs the vast majority of XP programs just fine

      Sure, and Linux runs the vast majority of Windows programs just fine, through WINE. But if you need or want a program that doesn't work, the bitching begins. I have no problem googling a bunch of people running a Virtual PC environment to make their XP era apps work, and some don't function even under that.

      > No, it does not.

      Sure it runs most things. Most is over half- an easy bar to straddle.

    35. Re:Face it by tepples · · Score: 1

      There is nothing stopping one from making a similar translator for running Linux-binaries under Windows

      I seem to remember it having been attempted, but one project ran into the difficulty that the granularity of mmap is such that Linux can simulate Windows but not vice versa. Some Internet searching turned up Foreign Linux.

    36. Re:Face it by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      You need to relax. If I somehow offended you with a single sentence about Ubuntu, you're way to sensitive.

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  7. ue4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    they're not over extending themselves too much by making a version for linux, unreal engine 4 makes it easier for them to do this

  8. mega man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a new mega man would be nice.

    1. Re:mega man? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Capcom is "too mature for this kind of shit" right now.
      As in acting like 13 year olds trying to prove to their friends that they're already grown ups, so it will take a while until the company fully mature to go back to the fun stuff.

    2. Re:mega man? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2

      Mighty No. 9 looks promising.

    3. Re:mega man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes and no. it may be a spiritual successor but it's not the same thing.

    4. Re:mega man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Destroyed by sjw infiltration.

  9. Oh come on with the bait lines by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > But will it be enough for gamers to choose a Linux distribution as their gaming platform?

    That's not the point of putting a game on Linux. What this means is that, if you are running Linux, you can play this game. This is GREAT news. The issue facing Linux gamers isn't that there are no good games- it's that of the games made, many never get a Linux version. This is a great game that is getting a Linux version. That's seriously cool!

    Most gamers have at least one game that they can't make work on Linux- this means that Street Fighter V will NOT be one of those annoying games. Solid.

    1. Re:Oh come on with the bait lines by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Can anyone comment on the porting process? Presumably games based on common on engines are not too much work, but what about custom engines and reliance on DX to look good?

      And what about DRM that normally uses horrible Windows drivers?

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    2. Re:Oh come on with the bait lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it IS the point, to get you to CHOOSE SteamOS platform (Linux).

    3. Re:Oh come on with the bait lines by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      Custom engines are so XX century!

    4. Re:Oh come on with the bait lines by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I think the DRM might be a bit less important than it used to be, with so much distribution going through Steam now and the multiplayer/DLC rising in importance.

      As someone involved in the piracy community for many years, I've seen Steam do some serious damage. It makes obtaining a game legitimately so convenient and affordable, people aren't torrenting like they used to. If it's too expensive people will just wait for the sale or for the price to fall, or buy one of the thousands of more affordable games that can be easily found.

    5. Re:Oh come on with the bait lines by tepples · · Score: 1

      As someone involved in the piracy community for many years, I've seen Steam do some serious damage. It makes obtaining a game legitimately so convenient and affordable, people aren't torrenting like they used to.

      So are more people torrenting games that aren't yet available on Steam?

  10. Sign of the year of the Linux desktop in 2016? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely this mainstream offering for Linux indicative of 2016 year of the Linux desktop? Just a thought, could be

  11. And yet, there are more Windows Phones than Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    desktops. Answer that. The question? Right. Never, ever, seen a WP in the wild? But somehow you have seen desktops with some sort of Linux on it. There. Splain that!

  12. Boot disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But will it be enough for gamers to choose a Linux distribution as their gaming platform?

    For some gamers, no. Not at all.

    For some: If this generates additional FPS, then, yes. Will they replace Windows? Nah. But will they boot up Linux to confirm reports that they can get superior performance? If so, then yes.

    Doesn't matter whether they will actually be able to see a difference from the FPS. If reports say there's something better, then some gamers will spend the time to try it out.

  13. I do not see it happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you look at the number of games for Linux vs Windows you then discover that Linux has a very long way to go to convince hard core gamer's that Linux is the platform of choice. No hard core gamer would want to limit themselves in potential games just to adopt Linux. Only those who have more interest in adopting open source then actually playing games would choose Linux over Windows. In gaming community you have two groups, consoles and PC gamer's. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Especially since Linux gaming is not even close to offering the same experience.

  14. Gamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gamers are, in the main, a tech-savvy crowd. Isn't Linux ideal for them? They can tweak it to their hearts content, ripping that last bit of speed out of things. Saying that Linux is too technical for them does seem a little insulting given that a lot of PC gamers build their rigs from scratch.

    So, imo, there has to be something else going on. Such as MS's stranglehold on the OEMs who produce the graphics cards and drivers. That's about the only substantial reason why games weren't that popular on Linux.

    This does seem to break a barrier, so I'm thinking that graphic card manufacturers are producing better graphics drivers for Linux. Maybe a back-swash from the uptake of Android machines? Once someone has produced a graphics driver for Android, it wont seem that far-fetched to produce a Linux driver for other Linux distributions out there.

    I don't know enough about the subject to make a properly informed guess but it seems a better approach than some of the comments I've seen above.

    1. Re:Gamers by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Gamers are, in the main, a tech-savvy crowd.

      No, they really aren't... Read some gaming forums, the basic questions asked every day indicate that plenty of non-techies love to play games...

      Isn't Linux ideal for them?

      No... Windows, you run it, you run your game, it works.

      Linux? Not so much. Maybe it works, depending on too many different things.

      Saying that Linux is too technical for them does seem a little insulting given that a lot of PC gamers build their rigs from scratch.

      No they don't. The number of people who build their own computer is a very, very, very small percentage of the total number of computers, even those used for gaming.

      The majority buy a CyberPower PC or an Alienware or just a Dell/HP/Acer whatever...

    2. Re:Gamers by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      If this was the 80s and 90s, I'd agree. Today's gamers aren't much more clued in than their non gaming peers. It's too bad.

  15. Re: And yet, there are more Windows Phones than Li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are more Linux phones than Windows desktops.

  16. one of the most anticipated games for 2016 by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 0

    "one of the most anticipated games for 2016"
    Being unable to play most games because I haven't had a Windows machine for years or a decent console for that matter(thinking about buying one for fallout 4) , I haven't followed the game news in years.
    But it sounds like 2016 will be a slow game year.

    1. Re: one of the most anticipated games for 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! That's it! The best post I've ever seen! OK, now we can close down Slashdot forever, due to this lexical singularity from the amazing Bender Unit 22, we all owe you our thanks because today Enlightenment is upon us.

  17. Steam game launches on the wrong monitor by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    When launching a Steam game, namely the old Counterstrike it launches on the left monitor instead of the right one. Wine + Warcraft 3 launches on the monitor I want to use - but with that one, don't dare trying alt-tab!

    See, I don't really want to spend $500 on new hardware and risk ending up with the same bugs, while not being able to play fun games I know about (like say, Painkiller which is old but was fun except for the slow downs. Or games like Crysis 1 and Stalker which seemed good but were too slow)

    For the record, I use dual monitor with the primary monitor on the right, not left. I won't change that unless I move all furniture around I guess (not even, then).
    The desktop environment just got a setting to choose a primary monitor! Mate 1.12, released late 2015 (also known as Gnome 2 before year 2012)
    Counterstrike is alt-tab friendly so not all is bad. It's merely bad enough I won't play it (lack of old school servers too). Not only secondary monitor is smaller and lower quality, it's not right in front of me like the primary is.

  18. Seems only natural by HalAtWork · · Score: 2

    It's being developed for a non-DirectX *nix based platform with common architecture compared to the PC. Makes me wonder why more PS4 games don't make it to Linux? Probably because it costs money, but surely it's easier than bringing PS4 games to Windows. I guess we just need a larger Linux/SteamOS install base.

    1. Re:Seems only natural by tepples · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder why more PS4 games don't make it to Linux?

      Because SCE-owned developers and those taking an exclusivity subsidy from SCE make more money when you buy SCE's console and then buy more games for SCE's console after that. Or because OpenGL isn't the only API you need to use to get a game onto a platform, and a lot of engines support the proprietary Orbis APIs but not things like PulseAudio, X11, /dev/input/event*, and some non-SCE networking and matchmaking framework.

    2. Re:Seems only natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of it is Japanese cultural bias against Linux. That's why SFV is so massive. If it makes tons of money for Capcom we really could see a lot of PS4 games get Linux versions.

  19. Re: And yet, there are more Windows Phones than Li by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    No there isn't, not by a long shot...

    Android doesn't count, unless it is rooted and something else installed. What Samsung puts on their phones isn't remotely "Linux".

  20. Re: And yet, there are more Windows Phones than Li by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    His argument still stands. Just because there are more of X than Y doesn't mean there's 0 chance you'll ever see Y.

  21. Android and the maximized calculator by tepples · · Score: 1

    The most popular operating system in the world is called "Android" and it is a Linux distribution. Windows and Microsoft are irrelevant

    What's the most popular operating system that can display more than one window on the screen at once? I'd guess almost nobody wants a calculator to fill a monitor bigger than that of a phone. But the last time I checked, stock Android ran apps maximized. And even on those few Android devices that support multiple windows, Android application developers had to opt in to non-maximized window management policies in each application's manifest, and few did.

  22. Controller buttons by tepples · · Score: 1

    That starts with configuration stuff like just plugging in a controller and start gaming without ever needing to touch anything

    If the connected controller is a standard HID joystick rather than the Xbox 360 Controller, then how does a game know in which order the buttons appear without asking the user to "press the button for jump", "press the button for attack"? Or do games report "zero controllers connected" if only standard HID joysticks, not Xbox 360 Controllers, are connected?

    1. Re:Controller buttons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, controller support is universally dorked up across all OSes. The fact that Windows sucks here isn't even unusual.

  23. Just when I thought I was out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They pull me back in!