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Wine 1.8 Released (winehq.org)
An anonymous reader writes: Wine 1.8.0 is now the latest stable release of Wine Is Not An Emulator and available from WineHQ.org. Wine 1.8 features include support for DirectWrite, Direct2D support, very limited Direct3D 11 support, simple application support of DIrect3D 10, support for process jobs, 64-bit architecture support on OS X, networking updates, and over 13,000 other individual changes.
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WINdows Emulator
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Wine is much less reliable and yields much lower performance than recompiling this same application with Winelib.
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Wine Is Not an Emulator (WINE) - subtly mentioned in the summary.
I use it every day for some application that is unfortunately not ported to Linux yet.
Uhhh, no:
Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, Mac OSX, & BSD.
About WINE
When you got Winae? Out the window goes windows.
what does wine stand for
Wine Is Not an Emulator
And booze trumps wine. Wine lost. Me drunk. Muwhahawhawh.
Nope it stands for Wine (recursive acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator)
I know that. but what does it stand for?
Wine Is Not an Emulator
I like my dinosaurs feathery, and my pterosaurs hairy (or is it pycnofibery?)
Because, as we all know, StarCraft, a 16-year-old game, was written using Direct2D, which was released in 2009.
Only another 16 years till we get the golden wine 3.1 release. What will become of MS on the desktop / slab / server in 16 years.
Are you stupid or what? WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator, and Wine = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine. It's not recursive.
The summary said that Wine is a release of WINAE, not of WINE.
Wrong. That would be WINAE.
uhh.. direct2d is a relatively new api. starcraft came out in the late 90s. I think you're thinking of directdraw, which wine already supports.
WINdows Emulator
Nope. Wine isn't an emulator, it's a Windows compatibility layer.
As https://www.winehq.org/about/ puts it: "Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, Mac OSX, & BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."
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Wine... oshfisher, shandsh for... er, er ... (hic). I only ransh one ashplicashun (hic).
Great, 1.8. So now it might run Notepad without crashing. PT Gui 9.x or newer? Irfanview 4.x instead of an antiquated pre-bottled 3.x? PS3, PS4 or PS5 - pre Adobe's subscription madness? Additional filters like Fractalius or the Topaz toolsets? Panorama Pro 4.x? The answer will be maybe, depends on how many weeks of tweaking you are willing to put up with. Firing up a VM is faster and more reliable.
Why are you being such an arse hole? It's not nice to belittle someone's assumed level of intelligence.
Truth, justice, and the American Way!
If so, then it's a total non-starter period.
Last time I tried wine on OS X was 3 or 4 years ago, and it wanted me to install X11, and I said screw this, I'll just run Windows in parallels.
If you're not even going to make an attempt at writing a normal native app on OS X, then seriously, don't even bother, all you're doing is embarrassing yourselves and pissing off users by giving the false impression you've actually spent more than 5 seconds in OS X.
I'd say maybe you should spend 5 seconds googling yourself ... There has been a native Mac driver since Wine 1.6: https://www.winehq.org/announc...
I hadn't used Wine in a while either but installed Fallout 2 last night and played without X11/XQuartz. I just had to enable the mac driver as I don't think it's on by default.
It runs Space Cadet Pinball just fine, which is the only Windows program I care about running.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So it EMULATES at the API level :)
emulate
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verb
verb: emulate; 3rd person present: emulates; past tense: emulated; past participle: emulated; gerund or present participle: emulating
match or surpass (a person or achievement), typically by imitation.
"most rulers wished to emulate Alexander the Great"
synonyms: imitate, copy, reproduce, mimic, mirror, echo, follow, model oneself on, take as a model, take as an example; More
match, equal, parallel, be the equal of, be on a par with, be in the same league as, come near to, come close to, approximate;
compete with, contend with, rival, vie with, surpass;
informaltake a leaf out of someone's book
"they tried to emulate Lucy's glowing performance"
imitate.
"hers is not a hairstyle I wish to emulate"
Computing
reproduce the function or action of (a different computer, software system, etc.).
"the adaptor is factory set to emulate a Hercules graphics board"
Alternatively, it can mean:
Windows Is NEedded
That would be an initialism. WINE is an acronym.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Maybe you should think the other way around. If OS X doesn't support X natively then it's a non-starter. One of the many reasons I don't use propritary Apple products.
kind of like Pine Is Not Elm ... :-)
How does a phoronix link sneak into an article about wine? The anonymous poster is probably Michael Larabel himself, trying to grub more money.
Typing out "period" makes you look retarded. Especially when you end the sentence with another period.
Oh, the irony! :-)
I love the music from that game...
Bababababa-Da-Da--Babababababa.....
Ah the memories!
If you're not even going to make an attempt at writing a normal native app on OS X, then seriously, don't even bother, all you're doing is embarrassing yourselves and pissing off users by giving the false impression you've actually spent more than 5 seconds in OS X.
I'm sure they are deeply embarrassed with themselves because some anonymous guy on the internet is whiny that free stuff he's not being forced to use isn't good enough.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Seems to me that the best approach, given both modern multi-core processors, would be doing something like ReactOS, and making VMs, jails and zones out of it running on Linux, BSD and UNIX.
Have 2 editions - one an XP based win32 edition, and a 7 based win64 edition
If so, then it's a total non-starter period.
What does female biology have to do this this? And why would you want blood with wine anyway?
Wine isn't an emulator, it's a Windows compatibility layer.
Wrong.
EINE is Not EMACS from the late 1970's followed by ZWEI Was EINE Initially in about 1978, for the MIT Lisp Machines.
X11 is native on OS X via the open source and Apple supported XQuartz product. Halfdan the black's complaint was that he thought the only way to run wine on OS X was via X11 rather than OS X's own window server.
This comment reminded me of "Dude! What does mine say?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I suspect it was intentional and not that stupid.
Couldn't stand the weather
Oh stop whining already. Of course, any acronym that uses its own acronym as part of it's acronym is in fact infinitely recursive.
Also, Wine is not an emulator in the same way that BMW is not a car. Whether the namers were being sarcastic, ironic, funny, contrary, or petulant, it does fall under the category of emulator, even if it's got significant differences from the traditional ones most people are familiar with. (It's kind of like arguing, That's not Red, it's Sanguine with a touch of Sunset Rose.)
A half assed attempt is far worse than no attempt at all. If you are not going to do something seriously, than don't do it at all. I for example don't have the time to develop quality, native window versions of our apps, so I don't do it at all. When I can devote time to doing Windows versions correct, meaning 100% Windows native, following all of the Microsoft HIG, I will. But I won't write a half assed warmed over port that is not a native app, and does not provide a 100% native user xperience.
Think how important impressions are. If a user downloads you app, runs it, and it looks like a shit half assed port of an app designed for a different OS, it will leave a very bad impression on the user, and they will then be left with a very negative view of your products. So, even if at a later date, you write native versions, the damage has already been done, and users will never try it again.
Plus, if I don't write a native app, someone who has the time can come along and do it right, their is much more motivation for someone to come along and do it right where there is no app at all.
Not all words, especially smaller ones, are necessarily part of an acronym.
For instance, 'Laser' is an acronym for 'Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation', and not 'Labseor'.
Also, 'FBI' is an acronym for 'Federal Bureau of Investigation', and not 'FBOI', though I've heard a bunch of unofficial translations that are much funnier.
A half assed attempt is far worse than no attempt at all.
All the people who use it disagree with you.
The rest, what the ever living hell are you talking about? Windows apps are never going to look native on OSX, so what does it matter if it uses X11? It's not like using quartz will magically make them look like OSX apps,because they were written for Window. Your rant is also nonsensical since this is a third party thing. It's for people who choose to try and run a windows program on a mac.
But whatever: it's free. Don't like it? Don't use it! No problem!
Plus, if I don't write a native app, someone who has the time can come along and do it right, their is much more motivation for someone to come along and do it right where there is no app at all.
That's very similar to the broken window fallacy. You are arguing about restricting supply to make things magically better.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
"Wine is an emulator. Anyone who tells you otherwise, that's just bullshit PR."
--Ryan C. Gordon (icculus)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ6gXEoxIZI&t=4431
Either run native Linux apps, use a windows machine or a virtual machine.
It's a fucking emulator. Look up the word "emulate".
Oh good finally I can run x11 under cygwin!
A VM running Windows doesn't simulate internal Windows logic. It uses actual internal Windows logic since it is running Windows. The VM is emulating a real machine and presents a surface which mimics a real machine to Windows.
WINE is emulating the Windows OS and presents that API surface to applications.
I thought the usefulness of this died a long time ago with modern virtual machines. Especially since program like VMWare can run windows apps "natively" meaning the windows are outside the emulator and look like regular windows.
I'm not trying to troll, but I'm genuinely interested. What benefit does WINE provide over a modern virtual machine program?
Actually, Wine originally was an acronym of WINdows Emulator; the Wine Is Not an Emulator is a post-hoc piece of PR to try to avoid the impression of slowness that people associate with emulators. This is why it isn't called WINAE or WAAL (Windows API abstraction layer) but instead has a name that starts with WIN: because that's where the name originally came from, WIN being the common abbreviation of Windows.
- The built-in Wingdings font contains more glyphs. ...because...important, yes?
.... it is still not mature enough to leave the 1.x. tag.
Honestly, by now what is the point of WINE? The list of supported applications is so pathetically small (and ridiculously old) that I don't see any point of wasting time and effort on it. The world is moving away from Windows and even platform dependency.
Wine is too little too late.
It's only not nice if the person is indeed not intelligent.
No you fuckwit, it IMPLEMENTS the API. If you want to claim it's a "Windows emulator', then so is fucking Windows.
This is correct. Just as windows is an in-code implementation of the Windows API, so is WINE.
Windows as a lock-in platform is on life support and meanwhile Wine still doesn't run a single Windows application with perfect transparency.
What's the point?
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
Wine does not emulate anything, therefore it is not a emulator.
It's like how emulating a douchebag doesn't make you an emulator. But it does make you a douchebag.
Woosh.
The post you're replying to was a joke.
The release notes for wine 1.6 (https://www.winehq.org/announce/1.6), which was released on 18 July 2013, state:
"*** Mac driver
- A native Mac OS X driver is implemented, for better integration with the Mac desktop environment. The full range of driver features are supported, including OpenGL, window management, clipboard, drag & drop, system tray, etc.
- X11 is no longer needed on Mac OS X, but the X11 driver is still supported, e.g. when running remotely. Note: the Mac driver requires Mac OS X 10.6 or later, it cannot be built or used on 10.5.
- FontConfig is no longer needed on Mac OS X and is disabled by default, system fonts are enumerated using the Core Text API instead."
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It has always been so hit and miss it blows my mind that they even continue to try. Wine is a disaster in terms of user friendliness and how often it doesn't work compared to how often it sorta works to how often it does. If I absolutely were forced to use Linux to play games, I'd just go find games with native support instead of trying to rely on that train wreck.
install https://www.playonmac.com/ it's a wine frontend/manager.
"The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be" -- Lao Tse
$DEITY, this is Poe's Law in effect, right here.
Look, Mr. Buzzword, this is a compatibility layer. It's for people who desperately want to run some specific piece of software on a platform it otherwise would not run. They really don't care if it's a "100% native user xperience" (I really can't believe you typed that with a straight face). They care that the shit is running. At all. Maybe you and your friends are freaked out by everything that doesn't look exactly like iTunes, but for those of us who care more about the fact that our fucking software runs at all, the shit you're whining about is so low on the priority list it doesn't even register.
May we live long and die out
Acronyms are initialisms.
Or "acrarini".
Match point to h33t l4x0r.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
The VM is emulating a real machine and presents a surface which mimics a real machine to Windows.
A VM doesn't "emulate" a real machine. A VM is a virtual container that actually runs on a real machine; you can't use a VM to run on a CPU/hardware architecture different from one the operating system will natively run on. With a virtual machine nothing is emulated, assuming you install the paravirtualized hardware drivers; the VM is segmented and scheduled, so it is an additional operating system instance running on the same hardware.
This works by the host running the CPU in virtual machine monitor mode, and scheduling VMs just like a normal OS schedules applications. You're not "EMULATING" when running two different programs or two different OSes on the same hardware... That's called Multitasking, not emulation.
A VM isn't "hardware emulation" either, not any more than a FreeBSD Jail is Operating System emualtion.
Dude, just just so owned my Ken M.
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No, fuckwit, it the API AS IMPLEMENTED BY WINDOWS, not as it is detailed by some reference documentation.
WINE is, however, in many places, a high level emulation of the Windows API as implemented by Microsoft Windows - it strives for 'bug for bug' compatibility with real-world-MS-Windows, not an alternate implementation of the Windows API as defined in some reference documentation.
I don't know.
THIRD BASE!!
Redundancy is good And also good.