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DOE Launches Nuclear Waste Disposal Initiative (energy.gov)

mdsolar writes: The Department of Energy is formally launching its initiative aimed at establishing a disposal site for spent nuclear fuel. The department said Monday that it is accepting input on the disposal plan, which centers on finding at least one place to store spent fuel, with the consent of the local community. Officials are also planning forums throughout 2016 to inform a more concrete plan for establishing a disposal site. It's a key step toward rolling out what the Obama administration thinks is the best way forward for nuclear waste disposal. It stands in stark contrast to the proposed Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada, which was designated by Congress to be the country's main waste site, but which the Obama administration canceled amid strong local and state opposition to it.

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  1. Why not the Rocky Mountains? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since Colossus isn't in service anymore, how about using its location?

    1. Re:Why not the Rocky Mountains? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      It was re-activated in order to defend Earth's oxygen against the Martian moons.

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  2. Cancelled by Congress by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know it's fun to blame everything on Obama but the cancellation of the Yucca Mtn project was caused by the Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, passed on April 14, 2011.

    Approved by Congress, Cancelled by Congress.

    1. Re:Cancelled by Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The proper thing to to with the waste is use it to power a breeder reactor and get more of the energy out of the stuff. However, that was outlawed for no good reason so power plants are forced to define high energy radioactive material as 'waste' instead of 'fuel.'

      If it hadn't been banned, fission byproduct recycling would probably be at the point where the most dangerous waste from a nuclear power plant is the irradiated lead used to construct parts of the containment.

    2. Re:Cancelled by Congress by laurencetux · · Score: 3, Informative

      yeah but the thing is

      1 you are now dealing with a TENTH of the mass
      2 the gack left is less radioactive than the stuff you started with (and has much shorter half-lives)
      3 in some cases you can run the waste back through to "cook" it even more

    3. Re:Cancelled by Congress by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2

      > The proper thing to to with the waste is use it to power a breeder reactor and get more of the energy out of the stuff.
      > However, that was outlawed for no good reason so power plants are forced to define high energy
      > radioactive material as 'waste' instead of 'fuel.'

      *sigh*

      The extremely good reason is that breeders are fueled by highly enriched uranium which is fantastically expensive, and their primary output is plutonium, which is fantastically dangerous. And if you don't recall, the US "lost" several bombs worth of plutonium during the 1960s and 70s (and continues to do so at a fantastic rate), and the idea that there would be 100 times more of the stuff to be skimmed from gave people the willies, and rightfully so.

      But that's far from the main reason. The main reason is that the only thing breeders have successfully done is go bankrupt. The economics of breeders is *terrible*. You can only mix so much of the new fuel in with stuff you mine, it's not like the stuff that comes out of the breeder is fuel in of itself. So in order to use up what you get, you need a fleet of something like 50 reactors per breeder. So that means the US needs two of them, which means they will *never* pay for their R&D - nuclear fuel simply isn't that expensive in the first place.

      Now the French were worried they'd run out of fuel, so they pressed ahead with breeders in the 1970s. The French pressed on anyway, and it was a disaster. After dumping billions into the breeder hole, they simply threw up their hands and walked away. Given the rapid fall in fuel costs during the 1980s, the idea of having to burn up all that expensive HEU to make a *little* more fuel that was orders of magnitude more expensive than just buying on the open market put a nail in the coffin of the concept.

      All of this was very well known and reported on at the time, maybe you should read one of the many find accounts in Scientific American that spelled out the problems in detail.

  3. What a waste.... by unixcorn · · Score: 2

    Yucca Mountain cost more than $96B dollars so far. I just read an article stating that the spent nuclear fuel is fine where it is, cooling in the ponds local to the reactors. So which is it? Do we need to spend another $96B, or more, and then not use that facility too? Is shipping nuclear waste to some repository far away safe and cost effective?

    1. Re:What a waste.... by siphonophore · · Score: 2

      Fed gov't can't actually do anything anymore. Any NIMBY idiot can multiply a project's cost by 10 by whining about his feelings to a gutless judiciary. Useful idiots at newspapers eat up disingenuous arguments (spotted owl! sacred native landmarks!) that originate from financially interested groups, then write simplistic good-vs-evil propaganda pieces that tie the hands even the good legislators.

      Could you imagine building an interstate highway system now? Every foot is a litigable affront to someone's feelings. The aviation industry could spend $1m to fund various shrills and add $100B to the cost.

      Yucca Mountain was a no-brainer when we started looking into it and it's a no-brainer now. Those that oppose it are either (1) useful idiots, (2) financially interested in competing energy generation methods, or (3) actively and purposefully attempting to weaken or destroy the US.

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  4. Re:Waste or fuel? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 4, Informative

    > So how much of the "waste" is just spent fuel that can be reprocessed vs irradiated materials and other construction trash and whatnot

    It depends on the type of reactor. The MAGNOX and CANDUs have better neutron economy, so you can burn all sorts of mixes that won't burn in a typical US or French reactor. That said, France is the #1 reprocessed, and the UK and Canada are both involved too (along with Russia and Japan).

    In the best-case scenarios, you can get the equivalent of 30% recovery - that is, you can get enough fuel from the waste to cover 30% of what you burned to get that waste. It's not insignificant, but it certainly doesn't eliminate the waste problem, in spite of what you might have heard. The real advantage is that it tends to isolate the nastier bits, which means that part can be stored more easily while you can put the larger-in-volume-but-less-nasty stuff somewhere less intensive.

    As always the only real problem is cost. Reprocessed fuel costs much more than just digging up new stuff from the ground. As reactors can't really compete on the market right now even with the current fuel glut forcing prices down, they can't even think about used reprocessed fuel. Again, that depends on the cycle, at least some of the fuel being used here in Canada is reprocessed.

    The good news is that the good parts don't burn off quickly, so if there is a need for reprocessed fuel, you can always go and get it from storage. Of course, it will be a very cold day in hell before the economics are in your favor, given the CAPEX on wind and solar for fiscal '16.

  5. Re:I know where!! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    Fine with me, I used to work at a nuclear site so it would not be any different.

  6. Backroom Deals by Jodka · · Score: 2

    from the ./ summary:

    the Obama administration canceled amid strong local and state opposition to it.

    from the Wall Street Journal:

    The Reid-Obama Bargain: Harry shut down the Senate because Barack shut down the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada... Mr. Reid’s admirers seem to think Mr. Reid is their champion, but the reason he has carried so much water for Mr. Obama isn’t liberal ideals. It’s the result of a crude political bargain in which Mr. Reid agreed to do the President’s dirty work on Capitol Hill if Mr. Obama blocked the nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada.

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  7. Re:Waste or fuel? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2

    Gah, I wish /. had "edit". I forgot to mention that the #1 output from the reprocessing is plutonium. You can mix that into your fuel mix in some reactors, and this is common in France and the UK for instance, but it is a proliferation issue. This is why the US and fSovs offered to reprocess fuel for other countries, even after the US decided not to reprocess its own.

  8. Re:How is this any different? by knightghost · · Score: 2

    More like Harry Reid. Of course the most powerful democrat in the senate would cancel a perfectly good repository site and put the nation at risk.

  9. Re:oh yes, Yucca Mountain by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More specifically, "Not in Former Majority Leader Senator Harry Reid's Backyard" - Obama still owes him big time for pinching out Obamacare.

  10. The Nuclear Waste Policy Act by Pollux · · Score: 2

    We should use the facility that has been built, instead of letting one lone-wolf senator prevent that from happening. Yes, a national repository would be much, much safer than the status quo.

    The Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982 was passed to create a national program to dispose of nuclear fuel safely. The bill arranged for utility companies to pay for the development of such a site, which technically was a fee payed for by customers, not taxpayers (though that's really not much of a difference). Congress in 1987 decided that Yucca Mountain was the site to use, and all that money was collected and spent to build the site.

    I don't understand why Yucca Mountain even needs to be a permanent storage solution. At least storing our nuclear fuel in one location is magnitudes safer than storing it at hundreds of nuclear power facilities throughout the country. Because we all know how safe coastal power plants are, and there's no worry about rivers ever flooding them either. The only reason why we aren't in a panic about Yucca Mountain being shut down is because we haven't had an accident yet. But just getting lucky should be no basis of national policy.

  11. Your forgot... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    4. you have lots of weapon's grade plutonium.

    This is actually the problem with the fast breeder program is that it works by converting Uranium-238 into highly fissionable Plutonium-239. This means that you need lots of Plutonium reactors to burn the fuel but this poses a security risk because the Plutonium fuel is relatively easy to convert into a nuclear weapon unlike most uranium fuel which nowadays is not weapons grade and so cannot be used to build a nuclear device.

    So while there may be some efficiencies with recycling the fuel the security concerns, especially in this day and age, perhaps out weigh any benefit.

  12. Re:oh yes, Yucca Mountain by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    And isn't it funny now that Reid has announced his retirement, that DoE is getting off their ass and working the problem again. Let me guess, they'll be announcing the decision to dispose of it in Nevada, roughly 72 hours after Reid has cleared out the minority leader office suite and Chuck Schumer has moved in?

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  13. Re:oh yes, Yucca Mountain by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Rather interesting that Senator Reid had no problem with the DoE spending $90+ billion to build the place in his state, but all of a sudden pitches a fit when it's complete and time to start moving waste there.

    A couple construction jobs provided to tunnel that out and pour in the concrete?

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  14. Re:Washington D.C. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Since when has DC been worried about civilian power?