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Before Google There Was the Chemical Rubber Company (hackaday.com)

szczys writes: The CRC Handbook is one great example of how access to information has changed over the years. Now, you open up Google and find your answers. In decades past, hard data needed to solve engineering problems was embodied in volumes of text known as Databooks. One of the best known was the Chemical Rubber Company Handbook. Don't let the name fool you, the CRC Handbook contained traits, properties, equations, and much more on all kinds of materials and techniques for using them. It's still around today and has one big advantage over our searchable digital lives: you know you can trust the accuracy of the information in those books at face value while online information requires validation.

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  1. Trust? by rfengr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would you nescesarily trust the accuracy of a refernce book over the internet? I have found mistakes in both.

    1. Re:Trust? by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There probably wasn't some asshat intentionally inserting bogus facts into the book.

    2. Re:Trust? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And errors on the Internet can be fixed and the corrected version is available immediately upon fixing, while errors in a giant printed manual will need a re-print every time an error is found and fixed, not to mention shipped to your house.

    3. Re:Trust? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's not how the Internet works at all. The erroneous version will show up in results 70 to 79, the fixed version will show up in results 80 to 89 and porn will show up for the first 69 results.

    4. Re:Trust? by Immerman · · Score: 2

      There's a world of difference between fictitious entries as copyright traps, and incorrect information on the real entries. The former is unlikely to ever cause problems for anyone but plagiarists, as nobody is likely to try to look up information on a fictitious substance.

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    5. Re:Trust? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      For well-edited, complete articles, Wikipedia has a much lower error rate per subject than traditional encyclopedias. For lower-profile articles, Wikipedia lags the average. Nobody has done a comparison on less-emphasized Britannica articles versus more-central Britannica articles to see if Britannica has its low-error-rate and high-error-rate topics.

      In medical school, professors and textbooks proclaim that epsom salts will draw toxins from the body. That's failed scientific rigor, and the literature hasn't caught up. Think about it. Who fucking cares? Are you going to die because your doctor--a competent doctor, not one who is going to prescribe epsom salts baths to detoxify the botulism from your body--doesn't know epsom salts baths are bullshit? Of course not; it's not important. Nobody has a real reason to challenge the literature.

    6. Re:Trust? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      I found an error in my CRC book.

      Didn't the checksum routine catch it?

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  2. Ah, the rubber bible by karolgajewski · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a chemist, that was the one resource that everyone had.

    Unlike software, you never needed to know whether it was the latest version.
    However, this is a prime example of bloatware. The thing was so big and fat, it ceased to be a pocketbook. I think the last one I used had a version in the 70s.

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  3. Best to by buck-yar · · Score: 2

    Add pubmed to many of your google search terms.

  4. Trust but verify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As an electrical engineering undergraduate I had a professor who gave an assignment to build a filter. All semester long we had been using trusted tables from a published source for filter parameters. He asked for filter parameters that would lead us into a portion of the published table that was wrong. The point of this assignment wasn't to design yet another filter, it was to understand that errors occur everywhere. Even in trusted sources.

    1. Re:Trust but verify by chipschap · · Score: 2

      Of course there are errors in printed sources. CRC Tables, though, were around for a very long time and would likely have had most errors corrected.

      I remember using it a lot as an undergrad way back when. But I have to say I was happy when electronic calculators went mainstream and I didn't have to be looking stuff up so much.

  5. Good reference book for material. by kqc7011 · · Score: 2

    Machinery's Handbook.

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  6. Not really the case by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Machinery handbook, the CRC Handbook, and the Radio Amateur's Handbook are the three classics. Encyclopedia Britannica was even larger but often considered to be authoritative. CRC publishes an entire series including The CRC Handbook of Avian Body Masses. It's overstating that they were so authoritative that you could take them at face value. Hand typesetting is an expensive process and when small errors came up, the publishers had to consider the cost of correction before implementing fixes. There is also the fact that many of these works arose from the work of just a few eccentric authors (neurotypical people don't write reference works) and they weren't universal experts.

    1. Re:Not really the case by mrhippo3 · · Score: 2

      Add one more to the list. As a Mechanical Engineer I had the "Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers" by Baumeister & Marks. Some 40 years later, the great bulk of material is unchanged. And now the book is even bigger (for more $). I still use it.

  7. Nope by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    you know you can trust the accuracy of the information in those books at face value

    Nope.

    information requires validation.

    Correct (but verify for yourself that I am right about this).

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  8. Trust? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

    It's still around today and has one big advantage over our searchable digital lives: you know you can trust the accuracy of the information in those books at face value while online information requires validation.

    And why should I not trust the accuracy of an Atmel part if I get the datasheet file from the Atmel website?

  9. And you need to add for chemists... by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    Chemists have also found The Merck Index, Beilstein (Beilstein's Handbook of Organic Chemistry, founded in 1881), as well as Chemical Abstracts (CAS) published by The American Chemical Society to be incredibly useful and necessary. All are either available on the Internet or other computer databases. Before computer accessibility, a year's subscription of CAS in paper would occupy something like a yard or more of bookshelf.

    I'm sure other professions have their necessary references they could not do without.

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  10. Can't forget by buck-yar · · Score: 2

    Can't forget Gray's Anatomy.

  11. CRC Handbook by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I keep an old CRC Handbook on a shelf in the kitchen next to all the cook books. Its just there make guest nervous...

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  12. Handbooks. Love them. by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am an avid collector of handbooks. They embody so much information, so much detail. So much effort into compiling them. They were often the life's work of an individual expert. On the shelves immediately above my desk we find, "Drafting for Engineers" by Svensen. "The Making, Shaping, and Treating of Steel" bu the United States Steel Company, "Th Vertebrate Visual System" by Poliak, "The Retina" by Poliak, "Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia" (I used to sit and just read random entries as a kid), "CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics", "Halsey's Handbook" (the one with a beautiful screed against the metric system), "The Merk Manial", "Machinery's Handbook" along with "Machinery's Handbook Guide", "Physician's Desk Reference" (although out of date), etc.

    One of my greatest pleasures in graduate school was to visit the local used bookstore that, given it's location could draw on the libraries of many professional engineers, machinists, and mathematicians as they retired, and thus had a huge technical section that was both broad and deep with information.

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  13. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 71st ed. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    That's the one I have. I used it just last week. Sometimes taking a book off the shelf is more convenient than wading through the flood of information the Internet throws at you.

  14. dang, it's expensive now by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

    $153 for the dead tree and $135 for the e-book version??!! then again, for most people a version a couple years old is just as good and those are under $50

    my 1983 one is very cheap I see, under $8

  15. Re:Handbooks. Love them. by pz · · Score: 2

    Replying to my own posting ... I'm reminded now of the one book I regret not purchasing. It was an electrician's handbook and the one page I recall (which has influenced the way I join to wires to this day) show various different splicing techniques, including the Western Union splice. Doing a quick search online now shows it was probably "Practical electrical wiring," by Sharp, which Google appears to have digitized.

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  16. Nokia by stooo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >> Before Google There Was the Chemical Rubber Company

    And before Nokia, there was the chemical rubber company called Nokia

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  17. Re:The Radio Relay (?) hanbook by ipb · · Score: 2

    The Radio Amateurs Handbook published by the American Radio Relay League.
    It along with the CRC were every electrical engineers bible when I went to school.

    I no longer have a copy of the CRC but I do have a 25th anniversary issue (1948) of the Handbook from before my time. (not much though)