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Does the Internet Spur Social Change, Or Lazy Activism? (usc.edu)

An anonymous reader writes: If you participate in social media, you've probably noticed the flood of posts that happen any time a social issue becomes prominent in the news. Whether it's sharing a supportive picture, changing their profile, or signing a petition, users flock to these causes. But are they really doing anything useful? An article from USC Dornsife debates whether this form of "lazy activism" is actually effective in pushing social change. It's been long established that people are surrounded by a "filter bubble" online, where they're only exposed to viewpoints they already agree with. There's also the question of whether liking something on Facebook makes you less likely to contribute to a cause in more substantive ways.

On the other hand, this type of internet activism does do what social networks are designed for: building a community. Strangers with the same views can more easily organize into groups, and groups of a certain size are heard by lawmakers, regardless of their origin. Plus, engaging in small, low-risk activism does make people more likely to engage in further activism with more impact. The real question we need to answer is whether the smaller and more ephemeral groups are doing more good than harm. For now, it's clear that protesting face-to-face is far more effective than gathering in a chat room — but at the same time, hacktivism is growing in popularity as well. It may eventually have a similar effect to sit-ins and picket lines as our culture moves more and more online.

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  1. Activisim? by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "lazy activism" is a complement. There's an age old word to describe what happens in social media, it's "gossip".

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    1. Re:Activisim? by PapayaSF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's also social signaling of one's virtue, and a way of expressing personal psychological issues. Many "activists" are deeply angry and unhappy people, and their fervor is not really about the subject of their activism.

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    2. Re:Activisim? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who want change, act, Those who want to talk about change, post.

      Even talking about change is better than just doing nothing and ignoring the issue. A big social issue in America today is abusive policing, with an anti-black bias. Violent cops are going to jail, police chiefs are getting fired, body cameras are being deployed. The situation isn't changing because of a few vocal activists, but because of broad awareness of the issue, mainly through Youtube and Facebook.

      When you see millions views on a video of a black kid being gunned down, it is silly to say that is bad because those viewers aren't marching in the street. Instead, you should say that it is good, because those millions of people are finally aware of an issue that has long been ignored. On election day, perhaps they will have second thoughts about voting for the district attorney that is endorsed by the police union.

    3. Re:Activisim? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A big social issue in America today is abusive policing,

      It's a "big social issue" in the sense that there is a lot of press coverage, not in the sense that it actually affects the daily lives of a lot of people. And the lives it actually affects are the lives of people who are generally simply apathetic about using the democratic process to improve their lives.

      Instead, you should say that it is good, because those millions of people are finally aware of an issue that has long been ignored. On election day, perhaps they will have second thoughts about voting for the district attorney that is endorsed by the police union.

      Policing is a local issue. It doesn't take millions of self-righteous privileged white liberals in Boston or DC to fix the problems in Ferguson, it's something the people of Ferguson need to do by participating in local elections and politics. Unfortunately, the kind of online activism you seem to favor actually reinforces the ignorance and belief of minority communities that it is "the system" or "racism" or something else outside their control that is causing their local governments to be dysfunctional.

    4. Re:Activisim? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      It's a "big social issue" in the sense that there is a lot of press coverage

      The social media is driving the press coverage, not the other way around. Laquan McDonald was killed a year ago, but nobody heard about it until two weeks ago, when the video was posted on YouTube.

      not in the sense that it actually affects the daily lives of a lot of people.

      The Holocaust didn't affect the lives of most Germans. Some of us actually care about living in a fair and just society.

    5. Re:Activisim? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Even if they are bit excluded from voting by some minor criminal record from their past, waiting for the slow wheels of democracy to turn isn't really an option when you are in danger of being murdered by a cop every day.

      It's not just a local issue either, the same problem exists in many places and by linking those incidents by their common causes it has helped to start fixing them. This is especially true in majority white areas where engagement with white voters has been key to creating political pressure to fix things.

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    6. Re:Activisim? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't take millions of self-righteous privileged white liberals in Boston or DC to fix the problems in Ferguson,

      Really? Local problems fix themselves? Is that why we have the fourteenth amendment? I think it does take self-righteous privileged white liberals in DC to fix the problems in Ferguson. They're called congress. And they need to take action to rein in the police, who are abusing and executing citizens on a regular basis. They will kill you for a pen, they will attempt "false flag" operations and then attack protesters when they are discovered, they will shoot you in the back, they will get away with serial rape... The problems are endemic and wishing will not make them go away. We need citizen's police review boards with teeth everywhere that we have cops. They need the power to fire with prejudice, and they need it now. Police Unions are helping the police murder, rape, and enslave us. It is difficult to imagine a solution to this problem that does not include action from the federal government.

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    7. Re:Activisim? by PapayaSF · · Score: 2

      Well, no. If I dismissed a particular bearer of a particular argument as merely motivated by personal psychological issues, yes, that would be the ad hominem fallacy. But merely pointing out that personal psychological issues often underly political positions is simply acknowledging reality.

      And of course, it's a matter of degree. Nearly every activist cause has some truth to it. There is plenty of tragedy and need and injustice in the world. But one way the personal psychology comes in is in how someone reacts to these things. Many activists get so emotional, and blow things up so out of proportion, that it's clear that they are upset over more than what they claim to be upset about. When college students have a passionate demonstration because the administration did not condemn "offensive" Halloween costumes, in advance of Halloween, it's obvious that more is going on. No psychologically-balanced person gets upset over Halloween costumes they haven't even seen.

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    8. Re:Activisim? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      The problems are endemic and wishing will not make them go away.

      Well, you are absolutely right: these problems are "endemic"; that is, they are limited to particular locations and groups of people. They are not universal problems, they are not epidemic problems, and they are not growing problems.

      We need citizen's police review boards with teeth everywhere that we have cops.

      Why? It's the job of city government and/or elections to review police. The city where I live seems to be doing a good job. Why should my city have the expense and hassle of another federally mandated office just because a few yokels in the South can't get their act together?

      Police Unions are helping the police murder, rape, and enslave us. It is difficult to imagine a solution to this problem that does not include action from the federal government.

      Much as I think that public sector unions are a bad idea, the federal government isn't going to abolish them. There is nothing else useful they can do.

      Really? Local problems fix themselves? Is that why we have the fourteenth amendment?

      Slavery was a situation in which a state-level majority deprived a minority of their basic rights through the democratic process. That simply isn't the case in places like Ferguson.

      I think it does take self-righteous privileged white liberals in DC to fix the problems in Ferguson. They're called congress.

      We're a nation founded on principles of local government and subsidiarity. That's because we realized early on that people and their needs are different. Congress has no idea what the people of Ferguson or Detroit or Short Hills or wherever actually want or need. That's why Congress's ability to mess with these issues is limited by law. Congress might be able to step in if the people of Ferguson were deprived of their ability to govern themselves, or if a majority of Ferguson voters had attempted to deprive a minority of their civil rights. But none of that happened. Ferguson is majority black to begin with, and it got the government and police it ended up with through a legitimate vote among all the people. Congress has no business second guessing that. Personally, I think they picked a lousy city government, but that's just not my business.

    9. Re: Activisim? by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 2

      The thread was about kids getting gunned down, not about arrest statistics and derailing the conversation is a troll.

      Hate to break it to you cupcake but even your over-zealous US cops don't 'gun down kids'. In fact, they generally exercise considerable restraint given then repugnant behaviour of the people they are forced to deal with on a daily basis. To my thinking, discharging their firearm is a perfect example of reasonable force when teenage and adult thugs attempt to attack and/or disarm them as they perform their duties.

      As such, arrest statistics are an intrinsic and important part of an honest debate on the matter.. ah, but that's where we come unstuck, as you have no honesty at the heart of your argument and will ignore anything that counters your precious viewpoint, because as always, your 'mah feels' must trump reality.

      By spinning these assailants as 'kids' you and the GP demonstrate your own over-abundance of self-delusion that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the civil society you (presumably) wish to participate in.

      Don't let the truth derail your own narrative though, wonder-cuck, you might end up suffering a thoroughly uncomfortable case of cognitive dissonance.

      Thank god there are people out there like you ready to lie and contort yourself to protect the type of people who would happily gun YOU down simply for the pleasure of seeing you suffer.

      The alternative is an open and honest dialogue that might lead to positive change for all concerned. Oh, the horror!

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  2. Worse than useless by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    All those movements for change in the middle east? Looks like they ended up making matters worse. Arab Spring turned out to be a disaster. Only self-styled "keyboard warriors" engage in slacktivism. 100 people protesting is far more effective and far more meaningful than 100x as many people "liking" something.

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    1. Re: Worse than useless by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Same shit as before indeed. Including this:

      It's been long established that people are surrounded by a "filter bubble" online, where they're only exposed to viewpoints they already agree with.

      As opposed to people consuming traditional media, who are exposed to a healthy broad range of viewpoints and in-depth analysis of The Truth. Give me a break. Personally, I find exchanging ideas and arguing with people holding opposing viewpoints to be rather educational, and that's something that the internet offers but traditional media can't. Online discussions have made me rethink my deeply-held beliefs, forced me to re-examine my arguments, changed my opinion on several occasions, and offered me a more nuanced view of those with opposing viewpoints, and insight into their lines of reasoning. At the very least it has made me critical of anything that is offered up as "evidence". And that's something that I only very rarely get in traditional media. A newspaper article can offer up bullshit statistics as "facts", the same statistics online will be picked apart, debunked, and countered with other data in no time.

      But you're right: this is still just talking, not protesting.

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  3. Re:Caring by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I really, really want everyone to know how much I care about things that don't affect my own life in any meaningful way!

    My thoughts and prayers go out to those stricken by apathy.

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  4. Logical fallacies by jimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's a logical fallacy to suggest there's only those two choices or that one one of them can be right. As for these two I have seen both happen.

  5. Useless garbage by kheldan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For now, it's clear that protesting face-to-face is far more effective than gathering in a chat room

    This quote from TFA says it all: what happens on the Internet is of little relative value compared to what actual people do in the Real World, because there is little to no risk involved in anything you do on the Internet,and if you protest in the Real World? You may get arrested, or even killed, depending on where in the world you are. Words on a screen don't mean a whole hell of a lot compared to actual physical action because words on a screen can be easily ignored. Oppressive governments are not overthrown with posts on an Internet forum, and no real social change occurs because 100,000 people signed an online petition, not unless the powers-that-be receiving said petition are holding themselves to a set of rules that means they're willing to take said petition seriously. The Internet gives you the illusion of making a difference; if you want to make a real difference, you have to do something in the real world; ISIS may use the Internet to radicalize people who are susceptible to being radicalized, for instance, but the rest of the world isn't going to defeat ISIS by posting in online forums or signing online petitions. That all being said: Does getting people 'talking' have any value at all? Yes, it does. But if posting on the Internet is all you ever do, and you never get out of your chair, go outside, and actually do something? Then you're just kidding yourself. The Internet is now what people sitting in a living room discussing things over drinks used to be; it's all fine-and-dandy to talk over a glass of wine about how you think the human rights abuses in some far-off country is terrible and what you think should be done about it, and a far, far different thing to actually get out of bed the next morning and go do something about it. Most people won't, they're satisfied with the illusion that signing some online petition or voicing their opinion on Reddit 'made a difference'.

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  6. It's a container. by RyanFenton · · Score: 2

    The internet is a container for any kind of content. It can hold anything. Saying that people using it can be lazy means nothing.

    It's like the whole argument about games and art. Games can contain anything. They have music, creative artistic images, moving digital sculptures, all mixed with varying degrees of audience participation. Whole TV shows and movies are occasionally enclosed in game content. They can be anything, and are made into new things all the time.

    The internet is that, and more - it's the combination of whatever anyone chooses to share over certain protocols, and even the protocols can change. It can and likely will become almost anything. Are people using it frequently lazy and ineffective at some tasks? Yes - and people everywhere using virtually all tools are also frequently lazy and ineffective.

    Did anyone expect the internet to somehow make people especially efficient or effective at every task? Just because someone reads newspapers, that won't make them any better at journalism - same with internet and activism. More opportunities to learn, but it's not a school, and even specialized schools don't have the greatest correlation in reliably measurable improvement.

    The only thing you should expect is that using the internet will likely make some folks better at using the internet. Until the internet changes. Everything else is just bonus.

  7. The Letter by MrKaos · · Score: 2
    Dear Minister

    I wish to voice my opposition to the Trans Pacific Partnership Bill. I ask that you reject the Trans Pacific Partnership until proper time has been given for our citizens to analyse it's effect.

    Considering there are roughly thirty chapters and 6000 pages in this Trade Agreement I would be expecting it to be scrutinised and proper time for the ramifications to be thoughly assessed and not rushed passed the house, considering there is no emergency that it addresses.

    As an important part of a functioning democracy, citizens should be allowed to veiw all documents being presented to the parliment so that the impact on our society can be evaluated. The secrecy that has shoulded this bill over the last few years of it's construction followed by the limited time granted, relative to the amount of pages in the Bill, to allow for such analysis subverts the intention of democratic process.

    As our representatives you are bound to provide 'Responsible Government' to citizens. Passing a Bill that cannot be evaluated is not a form of responsible government, for this reason alone the Bill should be rejected.

    I would like the house to go further and introduce laws, practises or other available legislative instruments that prevent the rushing any legislation into law that has a detremental effect to the country and, that in the event of any emergency legislation passed as law, a mandatory sunset period that has the duration of the government that sponsors the bill.

    The other issues rasied by segments of the TPP leaked on the Internet that effectively give away the effective sovreignty of our nation, through Investor State Dispute Settlements, is disturbing. Chilling effects on the Health, intellectual property and many other things that are nation destroying.

    For these reasons, and many more, I ask you to defeat the TPP passing into law, and enact structures that prevent these kinds of agreements ever being rushed through the House.

    As to specific parts of the agreement I object to the following clauses and seek their removal from any finalized agreement:

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  8. Re:Wait, what? by KGIII · · Score: 2

    #nothelping ;-)

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  9. Re:Caring by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Apart from mindless regurgitation of cute aphorism is there any actual reason that apathy is better than good intentions?

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