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Ask Slashdot: We've Had Online Voting; Why Not Continuous Voting? (iamnotanumber.org)

periegetes writes: This idea has been bugging me for a while. It takes months to organize a physical election, and several days to count the results, so it makes sense that we don't organize elections every day. However, with the computing resources at our disposal, it would be child's play to setup a site where every citizen could vote for (or against) proposed laws themselves, and could even change their vote at all times, cutting out the middle man and restoring true democracy to the world. That last part may be a stretch, but I, for one, would feel more involved in my government if I didn't have to watch it screw up for years before getting another say in it. I've found precious few articles discussing the matter, which usually means I'm missing an obvious problem. Why, in the age of Big Data and petaflops, don't we consider continuous voting?

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  1. SIgh by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're away on holiday.

    An important vote you care about gets put up.

    You want to change your vote, but can't because of whatever reason (no Internet, etc.)

    Do you end up voting by default the way you voted last time? Or do you have to put in a vote between a certain window?

    Oops. You either have a stupid situation, or you're back to the old way of voting.

    Not to mention that it requires electronic voting which - in any significant amount - is still not as provable, prevalent or as tamper-proof as it could be.

    1. Re:SIgh by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aside from the many problems with identity and security and creating a huge cyber security target, the last thing we need is mob mentality reactionary voting and continuous campaign propaganda on every little thing that needs voted upon.

    2. Re: SIgh by careysub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      -Britain didn't even have a constitutional republic, it had a monarchy with a parliament bolted on to deal with some of the more mundane stuff the King didn't want to waste time on. These days, it's no different except the Queen doesn't really do anything as far as governing and Parliament does it all along with the Prime Minister et al.

      Says someone without a clue about British political history.

      The Crown has not had any significant role in governance since the Glorious Revolution of 1688 when Parliament inf effect fired the King and hired a new monarch. Since that time the Crown has been acutely aware that it serves at the pleasure of Parliament, who holds all of the reigns of power.

      You second sentence seems to be aware of the real situation (but which has not changed since the American Revolution), though you preface it with the strange statement " These days, it's no different except..." and then go on the describe a situation which is completely different.

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  2. Republic vs Democracy by slasher999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in the US at least, and honestly it should be the same elsewhere, we don't want an actual Democracy due to the downfalls of that system. In effect a true, pure democracy will always devolve into anarchy and eventually a dictator will rise to power and effectively enslave the population. The US system is designed to provide a modified democratic system with protections against the outcome I just described. This is well documented elsewhere, I've provided a pointer in what I believe is the correct direction for finding the answer.

  3. Bad Idea by jeepies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Generally, the electorate isn't informed enough on issues to make good decisions. One of the reasons we have elected representatives in office for 2, 4, 6, etc. years is to provide some stability. People's views change on a whim. Watching one news special about a particular issue can swing views wildly.

    This kind of direct voting would result in utter chaos. Nothing's more fickle than public opinion, and it's impossible to get anything done when changing direction at the speed of the news cycle.

  4. Already have continuous voting... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's called social media's likes, follows and re-tweets.

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    I'm not sure applying such a concept to anything important is a good thing.

  5. no by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because as bad as politicians are, they are still better-informed than the general population.
    I don't want government looking like a Facebook feed.

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  6. Disaster warning here by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The current system, which limits the number of entitlement programs voters can vote for themselves, has created an $18.8 trillion national debt and what's far scarier, over $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities: http://usdebtclock.org/

    If those limitations were removed, I'd expect such an orgy of debt that the U.S. would have no choice but to default or careen into hyperinflation.

    As they say, "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

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  7. Re:Why not direct democracy? by KGIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The slavery thing... Well, it's a matter of perspective. That they argued about it at all is actually an indication of improvement. This is hard to explain but I've done a fair bit of reading on the subject because a part of my heritage is descended from Black African slaves who fought on the side of the English during the Revolution. (It's a neat story but I'm not going to share it all tonight unless you really want me to type it out.)

    Anyhow, to the point (and it's not much of a point), we must look at things in perspective. This is not an attempt to wipe it away or to minimize it, it's wrong and was always wrong even if there were people who felt it was perfectly justified.

    See, to them it was normal. In 200 years we'll have people looking back at us and thinking we were uncultured, barbaric, ignorant, evil, and worse. The things you do today will be considered an abomination tomorrow by those who wish to judge you their lesser.

    Keep in mind, it wasn't a bunch of white people running around with nets to catch fine specimens. No, it was black people selling their brethren into slavery. They too were making use of slave labor. Those "Slavic" countries? Err... Yeah, not even all slaves where black.

    An article on Slashdot, a day or two ago, was about the targets for nukes. Many of us thought it was deplorable. Yet, you weren't there. (I wasn't even born yet - I was born in '57 and the list was made in '56.) What nobody in that thread mentioned was that the USSR had started targeting American population centers and the USA responded in kind. Then long-range missiles came out and there was a bit of a gentleman's agreement (likely violated) where they agreed to go back to targeting military infrastructure instead.

    Times, perspective, and values change. What you're doing, right now as you read this, may be considered a crime against humanity in 200 years. It's okay to judge and to judge harshly but I think it's important to understand the environment and perspectives. Ethics are situational, though we might say that morals are not but those are often influenced by perspective.

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