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Verizon Launches Auction To Sell Data Centers (reuters.com)

operator_error writes: Verizon has now chosen to reverse "its strategy to expand in hosting and colocation services after it acquired data center operator Terremark Worldwide Inc in 2011 for $1.4 billion", and has "started a process to sell its data center assets". The so-called 'colocation' portfolio up for sale includes 48 data centers, and generates annual earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization of around $275 million. The enterprise telecommunications industry has had to adapt in recent years to corporate customers seeking more sophisticated and cheaper offerings to manage their data. Verizon joins a host of its rivals in telecommunications who are shedding their data centers.

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  1. They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don'cha think?

    1. Re:They should put it on ebay by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Data centers suffer from very rapid capital depreciation. Kryder's Law means your storage hardware loses half its value every 13 months. It is a very competitive business, and only large scale automated data centers can be competitive. This is the start of the shake out, not the end. You will soon see more companies exit the business.

    2. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is very nice to hear that we've reached peak data centers.

      If there is anything they can do to improve the market, it would likely be better connections between centers or having smaller "cache" data centers closer to suburban areas instead of focusing on the larger cities. This is all too expensive for them to bother.

      Any chance this change in direction will help Verizon grow their heart a few sizes and work to improve land lines?

    3. Re:They should put it on ebay by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Verizon is also shedding land lines...

      The problem with "edge" data centers is you need nearly the same operating staff as you do for a large "core" facility, and it is hard to get the same efficiencies. My business model from 2005 is about to take off though, unfortunately without me being able to capitalize on it.

    4. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is shocking is they expect to make $2.5 billion from the sales. That assumes there are buyers willing to pay 10 times the revenue produces by the data centers, which was ~$275 million. Given the capital depreciation mentioned above, I don't think they'll be able to get nearly that much.

      What really gets to me is that companies can't stick to any business strategy anymore. They buy data centers in 2011, and then five years later, sell them off. How many man-hours were wasted by Verizon's executive staff developing the data center strategy only to dump it? The churn on business operations is just mind-boggling. And executive pay keeps going up, even when it is obvious that these executives don't have a clue how to develop a long term business strategy.

    5. Re: They should put it on ebay by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      And what is that business model? I did my get it from the context.

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    6. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verion centers are co-lo, at the two we are at, about 1/2 the building is their our network equipment and the other 1/2 is cages build to order for clients looking to put their stuff their. i always assumed they were just selling space because a majority of everything needed for a reliable data center is already there. Well except for the fact they claim to be carrier neutral but in reality, they really are far from it.

    7. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Improve land lines? If you mean fiber, likely. If you mean copper, the answer is no. Everybody is exiting that business, and has been for years. Even last year the FCC started making pushes to remove POTS service as a requirement for many things.

    8. Re: They should put it on ebay by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Containerized non field-serviceable data centers that operate in clusters of 4-6 nodes. At the time it would go to 500kW per node; not sure what is economically viable today though. Swap nodes every 30 months and replace bad parts in a service center.

      It was innovative but impractical in 2005... today not so much (on both counts).

    9. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data centers suffer from very rapid capital depreciation.

      Really? A data center is the physical location and related infrastructure (power, cooling, locks, cameras, etc). I don't think it depreciates rapidly.

      On the other hand, the contents of the data center (servers, switches, routers, etc), do depreciate rapidly.

    10. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Data centers suffer from very rapid capital depreciation. Kryder's Law [pcmag.com] means your storage hardware

      A datacenter is a physical facility, which provides floor space, power, heating/cooling, fire suppression, backup power generation, security, etc.
      Kryder's Law is talking about particular types of equipment which is placed INTO a datacenter.

      A lot of large companies are realizing that it's cheaper to lease/rent space from a company which specializes in the actual datacenter itself, than it is to try and do it all on their own. It also gives them the flexibility to move their gear to other facilities in response to changes in technology and network topology, etc. They don't have to spend a year and multiple millions of dollars to 'stand up' a new facility, they just find someone in the area and move in.

      Datacenters are not going away. They aren't getting smaller. There are, in fact, more of them being built than every before. It's just the ownership and operation of the facility itself which is changing hands.

    11. Re:They should put it on ebay by FirstOne · · Score: 1

      Remotely locating your servers, requires several ultra high speed internet connections per office space.
      Otherwise you risk major amounts of downtime. Meanwhile local hosted servers can increase up-time, and increase available bandwidth on the cheap(wires in walls).

      The price differential between cheap lower end business grade Inet connections, and high end fiber connections can be several thousand dollars a month or more. Also tack in the cost of very high end routers supporting large amounts of VPN traffic. Then let's not forget how much one must pay for the remote hosting sight..

      The only time remote servers makes sense is when you have a application that faces a diversity of consumers already on the net.

    12. Re:They should put it on ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remotely locating your servers, requires several ultra high speed internet connections per office space.
      Otherwise you risk major amounts of downtime. Meanwhile local hosted servers can increase up-time, and increase available bandwidth on the cheap(wires in walls).

      We have an 100mbit MPLS and dark fiber from each office to our data center (not every office needs the fiber but have a vpn/internet failover). In the end, it is cheaper than buying multiple extremely large UPS, generators, redundant cooling and STILL having down time because of local required scheduled power outages in a lot of major cities. We also have far less equipment because everything is centralized now. We don't need Exchange or document management systems running in each office. Throw in virtual desktops and a nice flexible voip phone system and you eliminate a lot of local tech support and local high power equipment sitting on someones desk taking up skyscraper sq ft prices.

      Companies don't heavily rely on VPN systems for office to office connectivity, the latency and QOS is beyond your control. It works in a pinch but if you are doing voice and video, YMMV but it si a big depends on what you are doing.

      With all of that stuff in the office as you claim, what is your DR? If something happens in or around your building, does your company just shut down? Did you ever have an invertor in a UPS fail and heat up and crack your cells? You can't go in there for days. Did your building ever lose water and have to shut down the chill water cooling to your data center? Did a pipe in the upstairs bathroom ever burst? You can build around most of those situations in house but it costs a lot of money and it is a constantly recurring cost. UPS batteries get replaced every 5 years.

         

  2. I would expect they still own the fibre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they get rid of the assets and charge whoever buys them through the nose for connectivity, since they'll still own the fibre running into the building, so they cut the expenses for maintaining the building, and get a revenue stream for the ongoing future...

    Not a bad idea really.

    1. Re: I would expect they still own the fibre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most datacenters have a large number of carriers with connectivity into them, regardless of who owns them.

  3. I bid $1 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I bid $1

    1. Re:I bid $1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bid 2 quatloos.

    2. Re:I bid $1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sold. Come pick up 3 of them at your earliest convenience. We only accept BTC.

  4. US data centers by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    require an NSA risk adverse buyer.

    1. Re:US data centers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      especially since NSA built their own data center and Verizon rooms are empty.

  5. Verizon is not a wonderful company by surfdaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They bought spectrum which is the property of the people, agreeing to use it fairly. Yet they prohibit devices on their net and require them to go through long "testing" processes that can take up to a year - on devices that have two year shelf lives. They are also against net neutrality.

    I figure if it is bad for Verizon, it is good for the public in general.

    1. Re:Verizon is not a wonderful company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need the data centers, the new laws are a joke, the NSA is still storing all the data for them!

  6. good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a sign they plan on taking net neutrality seriously... at least for now.

    1. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a sign they plan on taking net neutrality seriously... at least for now.

      How did you achieve this "leap of logic" may I ask?

  7. Microsoft by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft bought some, gutted them, and fitted them with new racks of up-to-date gear. Right now MS is desperately in need of physical server space because their Azure stuff is actually (surprisingly) getting a lot of traction.

    They literally cannot build datacenters fast enough so they've taken to leasing buildings and then doing the gut/harden/refurbish thing to them, turning them into colos and full-fledged DCs.

    An existing DC would be a prime candidate for this as it's already a DC and would only need modern racks and servers. Cooling, power, and physical security are already there and that's what takes the longest to complete. Rack installation, on the other hand, can be done very quickly.

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    1. Re:Microsoft by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Aren't all the Aszure data centers just Butler Buildings with shipping container compute nodes stacked inside? I would doubt they can make a traditional data center work economically for the server capaicty they are deploying.

    2. Re:Microsoft by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Aren't all the Aszure data centers just Butler Buildings with shipping container compute nodes stacked inside? I would doubt they can make a traditional data center work economically for the server capaicty they are deploying.

      Some are, some aren't. I think the shipping container thing is an older iteration (although still in use and probably still being built). They're made for unimproved areas, basically scrape a field flat, put up walls, dump the containers, then hook 'em up and turn 'em on. Guards patrol the perimeter and in between the rows of shipping containers. Lots of physical security.

      They keep going through all sorts of different designs...classic colo buildings, "spine" layouts with a power/water "backbone", shipping container format, etc etc.

      It's kind of interesting to see what they're doing. The shipping container things had open racks inside, almost nothing but stacked server boards bare-mounted in open racks.

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    3. Re:Microsoft by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Interesting, thanks. I know they have a lot of traditional facilities that continue to grow, but I thought the economics of a pre-populated, configured, and tested node with xx,xxx servers was hard to beat. The 4-pack racks might have some simplification in terms of a "universal" standard module, but at the scale they are deploying them...wow.

    4. Re:Microsoft by Marcomasino · · Score: 0

      Azure Cloud run on top of Linux according to this: Microsoft launches a Linux powered operating system: Sep 2015

    5. Re:Microsoft by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Interesting, thanks. I know they have a lot of traditional facilities that continue to grow, but I thought the economics of a pre-populated, configured, and tested node with xx,xxx servers was hard to beat. The 4-pack racks might have some simplification in terms of a "universal" standard module, but at the scale they are deploying them...wow.

      I've been kind of taken aback at how much growth they're experiencing with the whole Azure thing, it's way more popular than I ever would have imagined.

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    6. Re:Microsoft by hhw · · Score: 1

      These are tenanted data centers, with customers on long-term contracts. It would take up to 3 years for contracts to expire before they could fully repurpose these facilities. Also, Verizon/Terremark owns the main interconnection point in Miami, including the Nap of The Americas peering exchange, where the vast majority of traffic to Latin America traverses through. If Microsoft were to simply repurpose that facility for internal use, they'd effectively cut off Latin America from the rest of the Internet. It's much more likely for a company in this market to be the acquirer. Someone like Equinix, Zayo, Internap, Coresite, or Cologix. 2.5B would be a lot for any one of these companies to shell out. There may also be some realty companies who specialize in leasing space for data centers like Digital Realty Trust who may be interested. Ultimately though, I think Verizon may need to break up some of these assets if no one company can pony up the entire sum.

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    7. Re:Microsoft by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      These are tenanted data centers, with customers on long-term contracts. It would take up to 3 years for contracts to expire before they could fully repurpose these facilities.

      Then they probably won't be interested. Three years is way too long for them to wait. They need stuff yesterday, basically.

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    8. Re:Microsoft by nolife · · Score: 1

      We have cages in two different Verizon/Teramark datacenters. In both, roughly half the physical space is Verizon's own internal network operations, the rest is leased out by sq ft and electrical load needs to others. I assumed they built these centers, realized they don't need all of the space for themselves and decided to rent out the rest, maybe that was not the case, who knows.

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  8. spindles are a small % of enterprise storage by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Obviously high- end networking hardware DOES need to be replaced pretty often, perhaps every 5 years or so.

    The claim that an enterprise storage system loses half its value in a year because drives get bigger is a bit silly, though. Several years ago I bought storage hardware for our datacenter. It was filled with 400GB drives. The same sleds now hold 4TB drives, connected to the same expanders, the same RAID cards, and the same storage logic. The actual hard drives are less than half of the cost of the total system.

    Assuming a five-year lifespan, you'd figure 20% per year on your networking equipment. A bit longer on your racks, even longer for your raised floor etc.

  9. Out of one bed, into another. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Obviously, Verizon will simply rent data center resources from the new NSA data center in Utah. It will make sharing our information much simpler.

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  10. Verizon should stop entering other businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon should stop entering other businesses with profits from its landline and wireless businesses. Verizon also bought AOL, which is mostly a bunch of websites, including the Huffington Post now. It's one thing to send the profits of one's monopoly back to the shareholders. It's another thing to spend it on money losing investments, and high pay for upper management.

  11. associations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a couple of major outfits that could purchase these data center assets. But I'm thinking they're more interested in the real estate rather than the operations. Wonder if this sale includes Edgecast?

  12. People are Scared of the Cloud now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the hacking going on, and fears over NSA involvement in almost every datacenter in the country, individuals and corporations are moving to in-house cloud solutions. And, it's happening in a really big way.

    There is growing, and justified perception among members of the corporate ecosystem that, if your data is in the cloud, NSA has full, unfettered, and undocumented access to it, and is looking at it.

  13. LARGE data centers = cloud infrastructure by bigpat · · Score: 1

    Data centers suffer from very rapid capital depreciation. Kryder's Law means your storage hardware loses half its value every 13 months. It is a very competitive business, and only large scale automated data centers can be competitive. This is the start of the shake out, not the end. You will soon see more companies exit the business.

    Until someone tells them data centers = cloud infrastructure. Seriously, if they want to be a cloud provider then they need the biggest most massive and efficient data centers. Or are we talking purely about small and medium data centers and colocs?

    Sure, co-location is far too expensive relative to provisioning on-demand cloud infrastructure to justify for small and medium size businesses. And large businesses can set up their own data centers in-house. I could see some medium to large businesses buying these data centers just to avoid having to build their own from scratch.

    The cloud will always suffer from the problem of physical custody of data. Where some data is too sensitive to trust to someone else's security even if that security is probably better than your own.

    But for everything else the cloud is where it is at.