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The Hardware That Searches For Dark Matter (hackaday.com)
szczys writes: Deep in a gold mine in South Dakota, the Large Underground Xenon experiment waits in the darkness for a tiny flash of light that signals that dark matter actually exists. So far we theorize that it does exist, and have gone to great lengths to build hardware to detect dark matter. Very cold, very pure liquid xenon sits waiting for a dark matter particle to strike the nucleus of a xenon molecule, producing a distinct pattern of photons through scintillation. An array of photomultiplier tubes detect the photons, whose pattern is processed by FPGAs on custom boards connected using HDMI. The experiment has generated a list of properties not possessed by dark matter; running for several years no evidence of the particles interacting with the xenon have been found. But when the data collection concludes this year, a much larger version of the impressive hardware will be built.
Therefore it must be broken, to not find the cows!!!
Why not just walk around barefooted in the dark until you stub your toe on it? That's how I usually find things I otherwise cannot detect any other way.
"When the data collection concludes this year, a much larger version will be built."
Well, fuck, why don't we stop the data collection right now then and put that operating budget we save towards speeding up the new one? Sounds like a colossal waste of money and probably is a pork project for the good Senator from South Dakota. Chop-chop.
Hmmm .... so I'm going to have to stretch my little monkey brain and hopefully someone more knowledgeable can chime in ...
I see reference to WIMPs in the article, so in some ways do we consider Dark Matter to be kind of like a neutrino? All around us but not generally interacting with us?
So instead of there being vast tracts of stuff we simply can't figure out where it is, it's spread throughout?
The overall underground detection mechanism sounds like the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory, or that Ice Cube deal in the Antarctic (Russia?)
I've always thought it wasn't assumed to be floating around us but not interacting, but I ain't no particle physicist.
Is Dark Matter more like neutrinos than not? Or entirely different, but with enough commonality to confuse a layman?
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
How does that work?
Why are they using HDMI cables to transmit the information?
Maybe they don't exist and your theory a shit.
In any case I hope it leads to deeper understanding.
Why would we expect to see it if we merely multiply the size of the experiment? Didnt we wait long enough?
I seem to recall huge experiments with similar light flashes anticipated? Did we ever observe?
Methinks the Sheldons of the world need to come up with another way to look for the particles ( stamps feet )
Maybe have an engineer included in the hunt!
Not going anywhere for a while? Grab a snickers...and throw it into the large hadron collider because that will tell you more about "dark matter" than this experiment. It's a lot more likely that dark matter and dark energy are just math errors that don't take into account proper universe/space expansion and doesn't understand how gravity really works.
Some very smart people are coming to the realization that dark matter doesn't exist. I for one think it's more likely that dark matter doesn't exist than that it does, but yet is somehow both evenly distributed and undetectable.
http://www.space.com/4554-scientists-dark-matter-exist.html
Dark matter! Yeah, that's the ticket.
Probably looking for illegal grease.
Have gnu, will travel.
If we don't find anything, how long do we keep looking? Given that it is inherently difficult to prove the existence of something that is by definition elusive, what are the chances it isn't there in the first place? Furthermore, how much looking with no results will get us a reasonable certainty of that?
Its kind of like SETI. I have seen ruminations and calculations about how long it might take for us to identify intelligent signals from the vastness of space. That's all fine, lets look. However, at some point we should be able to say we have looked enough, and if we haven't found a thing its time to let it go and rethink what we are doing. Not saying we have come near this threshold with either search yet, but it should be part of our strategy.
An open ended, never ending search for something that has no empirical evidence is downright silly. Faith and hope in something that has no evidence...well lets just say that there are many people who despise that sort of thing.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
It's settled science ... just like large squids do NOT live in the ocean, the four humors control your illnesses (so do the bumps on your head btw), Darwin's pangenesis, the earth being hollow, and the steady state of the universe.
... let alone choices!!
Which physicists think dark matter is real? They all do.
It's settled science !!
See scientists are smart and we are all grovelling fools in their presence. We can't possibly make our own opinions
Go check out this website about the brilliant things scientists have uncovered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So what do you call it when multiple independent lines of evidence suggest that something you can't see exists?
I know how it's fun to look at the failures of brilliant people and say, "See! I'm smarter than all them scientists with their fancy book larning!" but you're actually still an idiot.
Dark matter and dark energy have multiple independent lines of supporting empirical evidence. I presume you are willfully ignorant of this. Perhaps you can manage to keep it to yourself next time.
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processed by FPGAs on custom boards connected using HDMI.
Just because you use hdmi cables doesn't make it hdmi.
If you are emphasizing the "multitude" of sources, then you are falling victim to the idols of the tribe as Bacon described it.
Bacon, you know, who is sometimes referred to as the father of science (but in truth abandoned by modern scientists).
Converging validity is the false hope people leaned on in The Emporer's Clothes. Broad is the path that leads to destruction and many follow it!
Better to be happy and counted among fools I say.
Good job son, you really showed that strawman what for.
I'm guessing that the "issue" is that our theories about what dark matter actually IS are wrong enough that we don't understand how to detect it.... Or, there is some observation lens that makes "dark matter" appear to be necessary to account for things, but it's really just appears that way do to local conditions or doesn't exist here, deep in a gravity well next to a star. Ah, some physicist's PHD thesis awaits...
But what do I know.. I'm just a computer programmer who's late to get lunch and has had too much caffeine today who didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night..
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You could use one part phlogiston, one part luminiferous ether, stir it around with a unicorn's horn and then watch it to see if dark matter interacts with it. You'll have an easier time finding those things than you will dark matter anyway.
Bacon, you know, who is sometimes referred to as the father of science (but in truth abandoned by modern scientists).
You might want to study some modern science instead of Bacon; you might learn something instead of wallowing in your pseudo-intellectual ignorance.
I googled various interaction probabilities, which are expressed in units called barns:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/...
neutron hitting uranium nucleus: 1 barn
helium nucleus hitting gold nucleus: 100 barns (Rutherford experiment 1911)
anti-neutrino captured by proton making a neutron: 10E-17 barns (first detected 1956)
WIMP hitting a xenon nucleus: 10E-21 barns? (year???) need to 10,000 times better than neutrino detector
Numbers are actually ranges including factors like particle energy and angle.
Fuck, physicists are funny types. They make fun of philosophers, but they sound like a religious freak show some times. Making god detectors and detectors for invisible matter. Sometimes you just have to accept that you can't know the truth.
Your comment does little to tell me about the advantages of modern science ... but you punctuate it with a perjorative expression.
Unclear is if you intended to be persuasive.
Perhaps it's actually searching for muons. Moo-ons.
Scintillation in liquid Xenon happens when Xe atoms are ionized and temporarily form molecules before returning to a neutral state and emitting photons.
Then TF summary is wrong when it says "liquid Xenon sits waiting for a dark matter particle to strike the nucleus of a Xenon molecule".
It's also entirely likely that the person who wrote the summary wrote "molecule" when they meant "atom"...
This. TFA doesn't contain the word "molecule," only TF summary does. Would make no sense for this detector to contain macroscopic quantities of exotic polyatomic Xenon molecules.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Put people near the detector... Like... Ozzy! He may get some dark energy. Sorry, I couldn't resist! :D
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I admit to being prejudiced against willful ignorance.
If you do not understand the advantages of modern science you need to look again at your computer, monitor, or phone because it's the modern science process that created all of them.
You need to educate yourself by actually studying what scientists are really doing by actually reading papers written by them instead of the crap published by hackaday. I understand reading actual papers is much more difficult than reading 17th century philosophy hackaday blog posts, but only you can cure your illusion of knowledge and go from pseudo-intellectual bullshitter to intellectual with an informed opinion.
It's been a while since I've read Bacon, but apparently it's the same for you (or you've abandoned him too). The idols of the tribe are basically groupthink, and it's certainly something to avoid. What AC is talking about is multiple independent lines of evidence, which is completely different. If everybody claims something and says it's common sense, it's often very worthwhile to quantify it or formalize it or try to find where it breaks, and that's countering the idols of the tribe. If a line of investigation seems to imply something, and more and more do, then we have stronger evidence, which is something entirely different.
Not to mention, what's this nonsense about being true to Bacon? He wrote a long time ago, and we've come up with better ways to study things since. Science does not have sacred texts. Almost everything is subject to change.
BTW, the link says that some people figured that their changed gravitational theory accounts for galactic rotation curves and the Bullet Cluster, which isn't all the evidence for dark matter. It's an interesting finding, but hardly definitive, as the article points out.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The new detector will be upgraded with Monster HDMI cables.
You got me that multiple independent lines of evidence is different from different sources.
Most science today is researchers getting paid to prop up certain political opinions. This is a case where ideology isn't really related to the outcome, but reference to the prevalance of the view is taken as evidence of its truth.
What would Bacon say about researchers trying to find a way to "hide the decline" and failing to find ways to reject others peer reviewed studies because it doesn't align with their buddies?
If you don't think big science has its sacred cows, I disagree.