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The FBI Feared Communist Infiltration of EPCOT (muckrock.com)

v3rgEz writes: In 1981, Walt Disney World was getting ready to unveil a new gem in its crown of amusement parks, the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, or EPCOT. Revolving around a massive sphere called "Spaceship Earth" and a lagoon that initially called for cultural installations from nine countries, EPCOT was intended to be the ultimate harmonious international village, a shining example of global unity. Naturally the FBI had a problem with it. FOIA'd documents recently released to MuckRock show that as early as December 1979, almost three full years before the October 1, 1982 opening of EPCOT, the bureau was concerned with possible Soviet involvement in the endeavor. And even after Soviet involvement was ruled out, the FBI began to worry about Chinese influences.

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  1. That explains a lot. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    All those asian families taking pictures? Who takes that many pictures?

  2. The only thing to fear... by GrahamCox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is fear itself. Seems these wise words have been largely forgotten. As a nation, the USA is the most lily-livered scaredy cats out there. I'm not talking about individuals, just the national characteristic. Why else spend such vast sums on a military that has more or less nothing to do? (and for which idle hands the devil makes plenty of work, starting wars it can't finish and general meddling). Why else are guns so fetishised? Why else is so much effort being put into monitoring everyone's trivial business? Why else are fingers pointed at harmless scapegoats like ordinary muslims? My country, right or wrong? Think about it.

    1. Re:The only thing to fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know, maybe 1981 - height of the cold war, maximum million-fold-apocalypse MAD, Star Wars SDI fantasy that meant actual warfare, recent history of Vietnam and Cuban soldiers sponsored by the Soviets to fight in Angola, dozens of ongoing and major conflicts around the world between the super powers, active spy rings on both sides. Everything you could imagine and more.

    2. Re:The only thing to fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Scared? no.

      Scared? Yes.

      We have politicians trying to eliminate cryptography while crying about brown people who haven't even used it. These politicians will be re-elected, because brown people.

      We're sexually molested and divested of snowglobes if we try to fly. Because scary brown people.

      We lose our shit over "assault rifles" in spite of the fact that they're the cause of an absolutely tiny fraction of gun deaths.

      We scream and cry about dead soldiers when we lose less than we have in single battles in prior wars over the span of an entire bloody conflict.

      We keep our kids indoors because of stranger danger, regardless of the fact that the vast majority of abductions/horrible things are instigated by family.

      Home of the Atlanta Braves, but not much else.

    3. Re:The only thing to fear... by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Why else spend such vast sums on a military that has more or less nothing to do?

      Because we finally learned a lesson, after two world wars... And we've successfully avoided a third one. The US military acts as surrogate for numerous other nations with little or none. And the world has been far more peaceful for more than half a century, as a result.

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  3. So how much has the FBI changed since then? by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
    Trick question.

    They're much worse now.

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    1. Re:So how much has the FBI changed since then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. Basically since its conception the FBI has been nothing more than America's version of the secret police. Throughout its history the FBI has been used to suppress dissent. It may have had noble goals at its creation, but hoover and his successors along with high-level govt officials from both parties, over the past ~100 years, have shaped it into an organization which is a fundamental threat to basic freedom.

      Today its baiting ignorant people into "islamic terror plots" which they clearly have no capability to do on their own. (FYI to wannabe terrorists: Bombs are super easy to make. Like insanely easy. Seriously, you don't need help from potential informants; FYI to panicky american public: Bombs are super easy to make. Someone could also stab you in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot. Or maybe just run you over. You're never safe, this is not new, this is not a bad thing. Oh, plus your govt is FAR more likely to kill you than a terrorist - do the math). What will tomorrow bring?

  4. So what? by Jiro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This doesn't indicate that the FBI listened in on any private conversations, blacklisted anyone, tried to get anyone fired, spread lies about anyone, or otherwise did the bad things that people usually think of when they complain about the FBI. And they feared the Soviets and Chinese would infiltrate because, you know, EPCOT has national pavilions run by those countries and staffed by their citizens. And when they found out that pavilions were not allowed to be political, they then decided the Soviets were not a threat. They don't seem to have thought the Chinese were a threat for very long, either.

    Basically, this whole thing is just a complaint about the FBI doing their job.

    1. Re:So what? by KenDiPietro · · Score: 2

      Basically, this whole thing is just a complaint about the FBI doing their job.

      Would you mind explaining exactly what you think the FBI is expected to do as part of their job?

      Last I heard, having a political philosophy, of just about any kind, was protected by the Constitution. Can you imagine the uproar we would see if the FBI targeted the entire conservative bloc in this country? Conversely, when the FBI went after the left, no one seemed to care enough to do anything about restricting these actions.

    2. Re:So what? by KenDiPietro · · Score: 2

      Preventing political messages? yep... they where doing their cold war job.

      Are you actually admitting that we no longer hold the FBI to working within the framework of the Constitution? If so, why do we incarcerate Americans for any crimes if we allow treason (as defined by the intentional undermining of our Constitution) to operate with impunity?

    3. Re: So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Africa isn't a country

      Then where do tigers come from smart guy?

    4. Re:So what? by KenDiPietro · · Score: 2

      By all means, provide your source that supports your ridiculous claims.

      If I had made any ridiculous claims, I would be glad to supply sources. But since everything I brought to your attention is in the public record, maybe you should shun those moronic sites you have been reading and try reality for a while.

      FBI's "Suicide Letter" to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance

      Pete Seeger

      Woody Guthrie

      John Lennon

      Even more black people were lynched in the U.S. than previously thought, study finds

      The Murder of Emmett Till

      There's the short list detailing everything you've worked so hard to ignore. So, how about if you do a little reading and see if you can find out how many people went to jail for those thousands of lynchings history has recorded. And while you're at it, how about if you show me where in the FBI's charter authorizes surveillance on lawful folk singers, non-violent rock stars as well as religious men who preached peaceful assembly to redress what they believed to be illegal grievances.

      Ignorance can be unlearned while willful ignorance is an inexcusable state of mind.

  5. Re: EPCOT is anything but harmonious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It used to be very nice. It's the last park designed mostly by Walt's personally hired staff who remained with the company after he died. Sure, it's pro corporate but that was always one of Walt's minor character flaws. Then again, in his day American companies actually produced useful things and weren't necessarily run by sociopaths.

    There were all kinds of interactive science exhibits, previews of new technologies, museum quality cultural displays, and it was bright, open, and you could hang out there all day and find stuff to see and do in every corner. It was a place to go to be very optimistic about the future.

    Naturally something like that couldn't exist for long, so the people who mismanage the company these days took out most of the science stuff, most anything designed to make you think, remodeled educational things into character-laden sound byte style 'attractions' with no real meaning to them, closed or severely closed off parts of whole buildings and removed lots of the little things to do. Gotta appeal to the churro eating, Starbucks swilling masses who never want to use their brains ever.

    Most of the sweeping vistas are cluttered with outdoor vending and kiosks trying to sell you garbage, and of course the optimism is gone just like the rest of the country. With metal detectors, bag searches, and the requisite fences involved in our national obsession with security theater the beautiful expansive plaza at the front entrance looks like a prison now.

    I'd sarcastically say Epcot has been remade into a perfect representation of the US actually, but I do miss it from when it was really quite great.

  6. Flip A Coin by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Should we be more frightened by a somewhat insane FBI or a band of rabid communists? I think maybe the FBI is the greater of two evils. Gee whiz! Americans might learn to use chopsticks in an international village. That is a threat to American knife and fork makers and capitalism in general.

    1. Re:Flip A Coin by CyclistOne · · Score: 2

      I just read Betty Medsger's "The Burglary," about the burglary of the Media, PA office of the FBI in 1971 by a group of people who named themselves the Citizens Committee to Investigate the FBI. J. Edgar Hoover went apoplectic over it, but they never found the burglars. The documents stolen led to the revelation of COINTELPRO, among many other things. The book is also a primer on the history of 20th century surveillance by our government. A band of rabid communists isn't going to have millions or billions to spend undermining our democracy - such as it is - but the FBI and the NSA do. So, yeah, I wouldn't worry about those commies ... if there are any left.

    2. Re:Flip A Coin by St.Creed · · Score: 2

      So, yeah, I wouldn't worry about those commies ... if there are any left.

      Nice one :)

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  7. Re:The only thing to fear... addendum... by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's silly. When I use a gun, I point it, pull the trigger, and boom, a paper target gets a hole in it. Why would I want something to die? That wouldn't be very nice.

    Claiming that "the power of life or death" is a fetish is ridiculous. Every driver on the road has that power. Every plumber, electrician, and Boy Scout has that power. Every airplane pilot has a lot of that power. The simple truth is that humans are fragile creatures, and the simple safety measures we follow daily can easily be bypassed if one has the motivation to do so. The realization of how close one comes to death every day is terrifying.

    That's what scares people, not a magic boom-stick.

    What distinguishes firearms, though, is that they are themselves an easy target. Politicians, pundits, and concerned citizens can reassign their fear, allowing themselves to think of cars as "safe", because the really scary thing is a tube that makes loud noises. By concentrating all of the fear into one scapegoat, the rest of society seems perfectly livable.

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  8. Re:The only thing to fear... addendum... by tburkhol · · Score: 2

    Claiming that "the power of life or death" is a fetish is ridiculous. Every driver on the road has that power.

    No one sells cars claiming, "The only thing that stops a bad driver with a car is a good driver with a car."

  9. Re:The only thing to fear... addendum... by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

    ...So you've never seen an ad boasting about how this particular vehicle's safety features will protect your children from the bad things on the road?

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  10. Re:EPCOT was scaled down form Disney's dream by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

    EPCOT as envisioned by Walt Disney was to be an actual city where people would live and work.

    And coincidently, Walt was also worried that Communists may get into the city. He became a little paranoid about them after the animator's strike.

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