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Microsoft Leaks New HoloLens Details (mashable.com)

New submitter moriarty1972 writes: More details about Microsoft's HoloLens have come out. The device will offer roughly five to five and a half hours of battery life when working on Word documents or email, and about two and a half hours when using it for highly intensive computational work involving detailed renderings. Mashable reports: "Microsoft's augmented reality headset called the HoloLens has already won over a number of fans eager to try the device, but details about how it works have been scarce However, a few more bits of information about the HoloLens leaked during a recent event in Tel Aviv, Israel, courtesy of Bruce Harris, a technical evangelist at Microsoft."

71 comments

  1. Cool tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    But MS puts spyware in everything. Won't buy.

    1. Re:Cool tech by unencode200x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called telemetry now. Get with the times.

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    2. Re:Cool tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even cool tech. Not unless you think having a pair of dorky looking glasses that display a low resolution, postage stamp sized overlay in the centre is cool.

    3. Re:Cool tech by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      A postage stamp directly in front of your eye would have an apparent size that is several times larger than an 85" TV at any typical viewing distance.

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  2. But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All these glossy demos, but still no-one's stuck a camera in it to show us what it actually looks like from the inside.

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    1. Re:But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have, and it's kind of lame compared to the concept videos they show. It only grants you a tiny FOV which you're supposed to work within, which is far from the fully immersive world that they showcase in the concept videos.

    2. Re:But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by oic0 · · Score: 1

      Yep and they claim thats a feature so you dont get too immersed.

    3. Re:But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this is like big shitty google glass?

    4. Re:But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by penguin74 · · Score: 1

      Or so you think...

    5. Re:But we STILL haven't seen how it actually looks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this is like big shitty google glass?

      Yes, but since it's not "Google" branded, nobody will call you names and randomly punch you in the face for no good reason.
      The lack of rage against this product, the lack of screaming about vague privacy issues, etc. simply proves that all the people hating on Glass are really just hating on Google. I suspect most of them work for Apple, or at least worship at their local Apple Temple.

  3. Most accurate article title ever. by SeaFox · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm wouldn't be surprised if it was a fake "leak" orchestrated by Microsoft deliberately.
    People talking about the Oculus Rift and Google Cardboard and they gotta do something to make themselves look relevant still.

    1. Re:Most accurate article title ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm wouldn't be surprised if it was a fake "leak" orchestrated by Microsoft deliberately.

      This post is currently at +4 Insightful.

      The information was released by Microsoft. As is stated quite plainly in the summary.

    2. Re:Most accurate article title ever. by pr100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is that "leak" is misleading. If it's MS informing us about one of their products, then it's not a "leak".

  4. late again? by rubycodez · · Score: 0

    aren't they just jumping on the vr headset bandwagon with too little (vaporware) too late?

    1. Re:late again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Augmented Reality and Virtual Reality are closely related, but not the same thing.

      http://www.techtimes.com/articles/5078/20140406/augmented-reality-vs-virtual-reality-what-are-the-differences-and-similarities.htm

    2. Re:late again? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      it ISN'T VR, it is augmented reality, they are related but definitely not the same and so far they are pretty much alone in this space.

    3. Re:late again? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Google Glass is AR. Working on Word documents with a pair of glasses for a screen... I'm not sure what R you call that, but it doesn't sound like anything I will be buying ever.

  5. Sadly they are going the wrong direction. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Xbox TWO should use a VR headset and have some spatial sensing using the kenect as well. That way they can force the next purchase of video game console easily.

    I love playing games like Rainbow 6, but If I could have it VR and hold a plastic rifle in my hands to aim/shoot with? oh hell yeah I would drop 2X Xbox One money and $80 per game to do that.

    Or Play forza from a real VR view? oh hell yeah.

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    1. Re:Sadly they are going the wrong direction. by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Forza VR is my dream. As a person that plays Forza every day i cant wait for this more.

    2. Re:Sadly they are going the wrong direction. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I just wish they would turn on support for 3D tv sets in forza.

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    3. Re:Sadly they are going the wrong direction. by iampiti · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken Project Cars supports Occulus Rift but maybe that only works on a PC.
      Just thought you might be interested in that

  6. $3000!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Google was crazy charging $1500 for Glass.

    1. Re:$3000!? by Barny · · Score: 2

      Well, this one works with both eyes, so twice the cost!

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    2. Re:$3000!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are all the people yelling "glasshole" and threatening to assault people who they see using these?
      Oh, I guess as long as it doesn't have Google's name on it, it's all ok.

    3. Re: $3000!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They went back into their holes because most people never actually saw someone using it.
      Nobody has come up with a widespread use for the tech yet, beyond a few niche applications.
      This will be no different.

    4. Re:$3000!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wouldn't pay $3000 for the privilege of being part of Microsoft customer's private data collection network?

    5. Re:$3000!? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      These aren't being made to wear for privacy invading arseholes to walk around with. They are being made for use in an office for technical work.

    6. Re:$3000!? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What would the use case for a word processor or spreadsheet be?

      I really can't see how, no pun intended, having augmented reality is going to help me write an email.

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    7. Re:$3000!? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      who said anything about email or spreadsheets? The core audience is supposedly engineers and designers. People that make stuff and actually want to see what their computer generated models will look like in the real world.

  7. not leaked, released by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the information was released by Microsoft, not leaked.

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    1. Re:not leaked, released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      leaked refers to the barely a trickle of information, not that it somehow got out when it wasn't supposed to. different analogies.

    2. Re:not leaked, released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, they're fucking up the language.

    3. Re:not leaked, released by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      The correct term is that they are drip-feeding information to us. It is a purposeful release of details in small, manageable fashion.

      This is the same marketing technique that worked so disastrously for the Xbox One launch, where they held back information to (presumably) try to steer the public discussion away from the more controversial features (eg. the forced online requirements), but which only resulted in us filling in the blanks with rampant speculation.

      They could be using this technique this time to keep up the hype for the HoloLens in a non-repetitive way, or they could be attempting to steer us away from the shortcomings of the product (eg. the extremely narrow field of view). Either way, if you don't want to be manipulated, simply ignore this product until it is actually released.

    4. Re:not leaked, released by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      The Xbox One launch information was not drip fed at all, the information was released at conference on mass (at least as much as was available as MS and Sony were both still very much in development right up until the release date), immediately following the information release they saw massive negative feedback up until the point they decided to reverse the decision prior to launch.

    5. Re:not leaked, released by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. They did not release all the information at one time. What they did say at launch was very vague and incomplete. In fact, they were heavily criticised at the launch for concentrating on the entertainment center features rather than talking about it as a games machine. The gory details that people wanted to know about was simply glossed over or completely ignored, like having to be always online for DRM verses connecting periodically or whether games reselling would be allowed.

      The big problem is that they didn't even tell their high level staff all the details, so a lot of the misinformation that was being spread around actually came from Microsoft employees having to wing it during interviews. This meant there were conflicting answers being given by different staff. It also didn't help to have the creative director dismissing concerns outright with #dealwithit. I remember writing at the time about how they could write a textbook on how not to launch a product with all the mistakes Microsoft made.

      On the other hand, Sony capitalised on the situation beautifully. They hurriedly rewrote their script for their E3 presentation on the PS4 to specifically address the concerns about the Xbox One and how the their console would not suffer from those problems. Then even made a couple of cheeky videos about them. It did help that they also had the surprisingly better console at a cheaper price. At the same time, Microsoft kept to their script during E3 and failed to address the issues that people had (DRM, privacy, reselling games etc), although at least they concentrated on games rather than spending half the time on TV.

  8. "Leaks" by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Leaks

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    1. Re:"Leaks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, it was a bloody conference presentation by an MS evangelist, I'd say that very much qualifies as a bonafide, corp sanctioned release of information.

  9. not long enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That kind of battery life is unacceptable. If you can't do at least 6 hours of "intense" use, it ain't worth buying.

    1. Re:not long enough by bazmail · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. If they can't estimate (Best Estimate) + 30 mins then forget it. Its DOA.

  10. Doesn't that just make it a... by bazmail · · Score: 1

    press release without a Q&A?

  11. Microsoft Moonlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so, can we dance in the moonlight with this hololens? aw, that's right, Moonlight is no longer in development. what a surprise. i knew it from the beginning.

    oh, and fuck zune.

    1. Re:Microsoft Moonlight by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      Pass the joint round, dude, you're sucking back too much!

  12. Re: But we STILL haven't seen how it actually look by tysonedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    Field of View has been stated as "equivalent of a 15" monitor at 2 feet". Ergo, quite small. Immersive, it is not.

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  13. Coming from Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's bound to be the Holol. The Holol!

  14. Stop saying "leaks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a public announcement by a Microsoft employee at a public event. It's not a fucking leak. FUUUUUCK!

    Slashdot, stop saying "leaks" when it isn't. Sick of seeing public relations dressed up like this parroted by Slashdot. We're not morons. We see through this shit. Stop insulting our intelligence.

  15. anyone know how dark they are to look through? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

    The pic in the link makes them look like medium tinted sunglasses. I wouldn't want to look though that for any long period of time. Augmented reality that makes reality dim kind of sucks. I'd rather smoke a joint and drink a six pack and call it a day.

    $3000 unless something changed as far as I know it was $3000 and only approved devs that had access to the device. "Go to the Manhattan store and buy yours" this is the first I've heard of it, and last I heard of it was ~ last week.

    Finally what the heck is the point of listing the word document battery life? Do people really think that their companies SWOT analysis doc is going to be improved by holographic projection?

    1. Re:anyone know how dark they are to look through? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have tried HoloLens, and it really doesn't dim things much at all. Not nearly as much as sunglasses do.

  16. what os does it run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will it require windows 10?

  17. The killer app! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > working on Word documents...

  18. Use less lotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's taking you more than 6 hours of "intense" use to finish off in one setting, dial back the lotion, man. A bit of friction is a good thing, and helps accelerate the process a bit. And if you're going to rub it out multiple times to get to your 6+ hours, at least grab a snack and walk out side a bit between sessions. (put your pants back on first, though...)

  19. It's called broken shit, is what it is by Qzukk · · Score: 0

    Go ahead and mod this rant off topic, I'm out of shits to give today. I had to spend 20 minutes writing this out to burn off the rage I built up so I could go back to what I was doing before I had to spend an hour on the phone helping my mother (who I love dearly and can not rage at). And then I had to find a slashdot article so I could post this where it would be at least tangentially related to whatever was being discussed so that everyone else can witness what complete and utter fail Microsoft has become.

    FIX. YOUR. GODDAMN. SHIT. MICROSOFT!

    Do not turn your fucking broken shit back on UNTIL YOU FIX IT. I had better shit to do with my evening then try to talk my mother through the services control panel (with the screen flashing black and closing every window and menu every 3 seconds!) to turn off YOUR SHIT which YOU TURNED BACK ON in this last update after I disabled the service at Christmas.

    Thank God the run prompt still has "msconfig" left over from when we ran it then. Do you have any idea how hard it is to type when you've got only a second or so to click in the box and type a few letters before it all disappears again, using a trackpad? Got to the services tab, got the services sorted by name and the Windows Error Reporting Service is unchecked, but is running anyway. WHAT THE FUCK IS A DISABLED SERVICE DOING RUNNING?

    Oh joy! After 30 minutes of trying to get my mother to type "services.msc" really fast she finally got into the services control panel and when she tries to stop the service (that she has confirmed is set to Manual start (it was Disabled when I left) and is not a dependency of any other service so FUCK YOU for starting it automatically on boot!), she gets an error that the service can't be stopped. FUCK. YOU.

    I ended up spending another 30 minutes trying to get to some way to run services.msc as administrator so we can disable the service while hoping to God that Microsoft hadn't fucked that shit up too. Couldn't use the start menu to right click services.msc, couldn't use the file explorer to right click services.msc. Finally managed to get the secret menu (Win+X) open and my mom fast enough to click the admin command prompt so we could run services.msc as administrator (at least the command prompt doesn't close itself when the shell crashes and restarts).

    So we finally got the damn Reporting Service shut off so shit stops blinking, and decide it's time to remove Windows 10. Except apparently if it's been more than a month, Microsoft removes the option to downgrade. I guess they figure if they sucker you into thinking they'll stop shitting up your computer for a month, you won't miss windows 8 when it's gone.

    I guess I'll hear back once Microsoft decides to un-disable the service AGAIN and fuck her laptop up AGAIN.

    Thanks, Microsoft. So now I've wasted over an hour of my weekend on your complete bullshit. Windows 10 is clearly not ready for the desktop and I sincerely doubt it will ever be.

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    1. Re:It's called broken shit, is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing. I stopped using Windows during XP days. That was it for me. I was forced to use their shoddy products and XP as the only time I ever took them mildly seriously.

      The blame is squarely on you. You should know better. And I'm not saying Apple is any miracle either. I personally use Gentoo for everything these days, although I'm keen to have a look at Arch Linux although openrc is no longer officially supported which is worrying.

    2. Re: It's called broken shit, is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your parents an iPad. Best decision I ever made.

    3. Re:It's called broken shit, is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn how to use the tools rather than blaming them.

    4. Re:It's called broken shit, is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No amount of learning will fix a tool that crashes and restarts every 3 seconds. It is unusable.

      No amount of learning will stop Microsoft from re-enabling their broken shit when you learn to disable it.

      The blame here lies squarely on Microsoft.

    5. Re:It's called broken shit, is what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idk man, we have rolled Windows 10 to about 200 computers. The only problems we ran into was one laptop needed its mouse driver reinstalled and a desktop needed a clean install. The desktop rebooted incessantly. All others were fine and users (many of them previously 8 or 7) LOVED it.

  20. Uh, not much of a leak by flarb936 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft told me this during the public demos they gave out a few months back. This isn't secret information.

    BTW it's awesome and really works--it has a low FOV, but you kind of forget about it. One question I couldn't get answered....is it running Windows RT? It's the only way I figure they can get that much battery life out of Windows on a chipset that fits in a headset.

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    1. Re:Uh, not much of a leak by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Probably not RT, since that was discontinued, but quite possibly Win10 IoT.

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  21. Re:Nobody needs it by davester666 · · Score: 1

    Is it really a leak if Microsoft PR sends the details to be released out, just with the caveat "you didn't get this from us"?

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  22. 5.5 hours is handy by DrXym · · Score: 1

    That's ample time to cover the initial setup and playing around with demos until buyer's remorse kicks in. And when you find it again in 6 months in the cupboard it will have some charge left so you can confirm to yourself it really was the stupidest thing you've bought of late.

  23. Re:Nobody needs it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But VR is now a trendy thing. Business management does not invent anything, they just copy the things other have done and try to squeeze money out of it. It is no wonder, that all the tech companies play with smartwatches and self driving cars at same time.

  24. Why would you use it in Word or for Email? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    What exactly does it do in those scenarios? I don't know why you would even want to do that.

  25. Re: But we STILL haven't seen how it actually look by VTBlue · · Score: 1

    Have you tried YouTube? They actually did this at a conference with minecraft

  26. Re: But we STILL haven't seen how it actually look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was able to try out HoloLens at last year's MS Build conference. The FOV is a bit bigger than 15" @ 2' . I would say it's more like 23" to 25".

    Immersive it is not. Useful? I think so. Basically this isn't a VR headset like the marketing leads people to believe. It is more of an augmented reality like a better version of Google Glass. I can think of many things it would be very good at.

    To be honest though with the head tracking it is more a cross between a VR headset and augmented reality headset. It does a bit of both but I think its strength will be the augmented reality side of things.

  27. Re: But we STILL haven't seen how it actually look by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    I see videos of solid 3D models composited onto a live camera view using similar technology, but what I have yet to see is what it actually looks like to a human wearing the thing - i.e., according to accounts I've read, transparent and occupying only a small area of your field of view.

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