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Physicists Create 'Quantum Knots' (amherst.edu)

New submitter Kekke writes with news that researchers from Amherst College and Aalto University have figured out a way to create knotted solitary waves in a quantum-mechanical field. They call their creation "quantum knots". Professor David Hall said, "First we cooled a gas of rubidium atoms down to billionths of a degree above zero, at which point it became a superfluid—a tiny, well-ordered environment in which these particle-like objects can exist. Then we exposed the superfluid to a rapid change of a specifically tailored magnetic field, which tied the knot in less than a thousandth of a second." Research group leader Mikko Möttönen added, "For decades, physicists have been theoretically predicting that it should be possible to have knots in quantum fields, but nobody else has been able to make one. Now that we have seen these exotic beasts, we are really excited to study their peculiar properties."

51 comments

  1. they're not knots by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    until you look at them.

    1. Re:they're not knots by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 1

      That'd be handy for shoe laces. Except the reverse... they're only knots when you don't look at them.

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    2. Re:they're not knots by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

      That'd be handy for shoe laces.

      Ya, until they get entangled.

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    3. Re: they're not knots by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Which causes you to spin.

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  2. Hey man, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me chill my beer in your fridge for like, a millisecond, right?

  3. Not sure of the importance by TheReaperD · · Score: 3, Informative

    I read TFA and I'm still not sure what the importance or application of this is. Is this just to make therotical physicists sqee or are there anticipated important properties or applications?

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    1. Re:Not sure of the importance by MonkeyBob · · Score: 0

      This is how science works. They work out how to do this, and they start applying this to other (larger) problems.

      They build on these things over time, and eventually there is commercial application.

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    2. Re:Not sure of the importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never know.

      That's why they call it science.

      Knowing what one is going to make with a new material would be engineering and usually happens after the science.

    3. Re:Not sure of the importance by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AFAIK there are no directly anticipated applications. However, knotted fields are incredibly cool and interesting physical objects (if you're into that kinda thing). Of course, formation of novel magnetic fields could have applications in fusion research or quantum computing, but the idea behind theoretical physics research like this is to figure out how things work, and let the engineers and applied physicists figure out the applications (if they exist) later on. It's worked pretty well so far. And confirming that nature actually works like it's been predicted to work is a worthy endeavor in and of itself, even if it turns out to have no applications at all.

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    4. Re:Not sure of the importance by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 2

      If this leads to a means of rapidly computing solutions in knot theory that are currently very difficult to solve then it is a big deal, and if that is also applicable to string theory who knows, it could be worth a Nobel Prize eventually.

      But what would I know, I know just enough to think this when I read the article, https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    5. Re:Not sure of the importance by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I read TFA and I'm still not sure what the importance or application of this is. Is this just to make therotical physicists sqee or are there anticipated important properties or applications?

      What use is a newborn baby?
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    6. Re:Not sure of the importance by nytes · · Score: 2

      This is the first step toward creating quantum shampoo, so you can wash the entanglements out of your quantum threads.

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    7. Re:Not sure of the importance by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      What use is a newborn baby?

      They're a great reminder for guys to wear a condom.

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    8. Re:Not sure of the importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What use is a newborn baby? -- attributed in various forms to Benjamin Franklin and to Michael Faraday

      It grows up to be a person; that much has been established since prehistory. Like you I'm not against research for its own sake, but that was a really awful way of arguing for it.

    9. Re:Not sure of the importance by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I agree that science for science sake is actually a good thing. The problem I was having as not being a physics type of geek was that the information wasn't reaching my level.

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    10. Re:Not sure of the importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To prove their calculations are correct. The knots were predicted by some calculations. The best way to make sure the calculations are right is to he [hysical evidence

    11. Re:Not sure of the importance by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      What use is a newborn baby?
      -- attributed in various forms to Benjamin Franklin and to Michael Faraday

      It grows up to be a person; that much has been established since prehistory. Like you I'm not against research for its own sake, but that was a really awful way of arguing for it.

      I think you misunderstood.

      Franklin and Faraday used the quote as an ironic and rhetorical reply to any question that resembles "What use is new discovery X?" Like a newborn baby, a new discovery may not have an obvious use, but it deserves a chance to mature and show the world what it can accomplish.

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    12. Re:Not sure of the importance by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      Not sure of the importance

      You don't belong here

    13. Re:Not sure of the importance by dywolf · · Score: 1

      wouldn't be the first time a concept was discovered and not exploited in an application for years, sometimes decades.

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    14. Re:Not sure of the importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you misunderstood.

      Franklin and Faraday used the quote as an ironic and rhetorical reply to any question that resembles "What use is new discovery X?" Like a newborn baby, a new discovery may not have an obvious use, but it deserves a chance to mature and show the world what it can accomplish.

      That reply is a fail. Newborn babies are useful - this is how people is made. Everybody knows that. A baby is not something novel that we currently see no use for. Quite the contrary, a baby is something well-known that has a well-known established use. It takes long time before the baby is useful - but that is merely long-term planning.

      Scientific discoveries however, may or may not become useful.

    15. Re:Not sure of the importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A newborn baby satisfies one's instinctual need to care for another living thing. It also injects a feeling of significance into a person's life, which is another important psychological need. Lastly, it elevates one's status within many social circles.

      There are other benefits (such as tax benefits and gifts and the like), but they are overcompensated-for by the costs, so I don't think they qualify.

      My point being...the question was intended as rhetorical, and yet it isn't, as it it has a solid answer.

    16. Re:Not sure of the importance by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      A newborn baby satisfies one's instinctual need to care for another living thing. It also injects a feeling of significance into a person's life, which is another important psychological need. Lastly, it elevates one's status within many social circles.

      Fair points, but consider this:

      A new scientific discovery satisfies one's instinctual need to find things out. It also injects a feeling of significance into a person's life, which is another important psychological need. Lastly, it elevates one's status within many social circles.

      They both fit, don't they?

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    17. Re:Not sure of the importance by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      A newborn will also learn the humans that take care of it in root fashion and develop a deconstructed model of their parent' interface at an intuitive level.

      In short, newborns eventually teach parents more about themselves than the parents can learn without them.

      Kind of like science. Each new scientific discovery teaches us more about ourselves. We learn what we do with novel ideas. Mostly exploit, dominate, and divert ourselves and each other, but hey, we're only human.

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    18. Re:Not sure of the importance by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Actually knot theory, quantum mechanics, and statistical mechanics (not to mention other fields) have deep connections. Knot theory is unreasonably effective.

      Just to whet the appetite for our readers .....

      Unreasonable Effectiveness of Knot Theory
      Mathematicians Link Knot Theory to Physics

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    19. Re:Not sure of the importance by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A newborn can be a pain in the ass. They aren't good for anything except keeping adults sleep-deprived and busy. Fortunately, about the time the parents are deciding to ship them somewhere in Afghanistan, and are wondering whether or not to have breathing holes in the box, they learn to smile.

      A newborn is pretty much all potential. They're very high-maintenance, and it takes them a while to figure out that they have arms, and then more time to figure out that they have legs. I don't have any regrets. I'm glad we did it. However, I don't want to go through those first few months again.

      Similarly, a basic physics discovery is currently useless and pretty much all potential, that can develop into something great. Aside from the obvious differences, it's very much like a baby.

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  4. Careful now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you keep picking at it you're gonna undo reality.

    1. Re:Careful now. by Falos · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, we've been doing it in my universe fo@@@@@@CARRIER_LOST

    2. Re:Careful now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how with these posts there is always time to click the Submit button even after CARRIER_LOST.

  5. One small twitch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Supercooled gasses... What is space filled with?

    It will be at least 100 years before we understand the implications of this. Unless someone gives it to us.

  6. Re: And how does... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well that is the way of their kind.

  7. Just terrible by wbr1 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Tying the knot is a sacred gift ordained by God to be between a man and a woman. Not 'quantum particles' or whatever you heathens call homosexuals now.

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  8. String theory by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A string walks into a bar. The bartender looks at him and yells, "Get out! We don't serve your kind in here."

    The string walks out and walks back in a few minutes later looking beat up and disheveled. The bartender looks at him and says menacingly, "Aren't you that string that was in here a couple minutes ago?"

    The string looks at the bartender and says, "No. I'm a frayed knot."

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    1. Re:String theory by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      THIS got voted funny? One of the 3 jokes banned from rec.humor.funny? One of the jokes that reached every corner of the pre-EternalSeptember Internet, never to be successfully wiped out?

      Get offa my lawn you young punk upvoters!
      (and don't even THINK about posting bell-ringer or mouse-ball jokes)

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  9. Re: And how does... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just Republican corporate welfare.

  10. But first by p0p0 · · Score: 1, Funny

    First they created quantum headphones, and the knots came easy. They had to keep constant watch on the headphones to prevent them knotting to such an extent that it tears the fabric of reality and our universe becomes intertwined the endless knotting of time and space.
    They've got one intern and a 20 gallon drum of eye drops. Fingers crossed (or knotted).

    1. Re:But first by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Really? Do they at least also have a thunderbolt->headphone adapter so that people can use their own choice of headphones, or are they locking people into using either bluetooth-only or lightning headphones?

      Also, there are other devices than headphones that plug into the headphone jack...

  11. Wave Creating Waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Amherst College and Aalto (Wave) University have figured out a way to create knotted solitary waves." Student life is like that sometimes, knotted and solitary.

  12. Knots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got these garlic knots for Walmart that were pretty good. No physicists involved though.

    1. Re: Knots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming you got them for just a department or two at corporate. The whole office or company would be damn expensive!

  13. I, for one ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... look forward to quantum Shibari.

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  14. Knotted Fields by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    OK, can we start calling these things Warped Fields, or Warp fields yet? :) Now we just have to start factoring them (I suggest a metric scale of 1 to 10)!

    Though I know not really related to this quantum topic, but as far as applied physics, if I remember correctly (and I perhaps don't) that new exotic fusion reactor that the Germans built, used warped magnetic fields to contain plasma... Or it could be they just use magnetic fields to contain plasma and the reactor itself is warped shaped, which I guess would be a bit different... maybe.

    1. Re: Knotted Fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stellarator is just a toroidal magnetic ic field with added twist and ripple. Since some of the failure modes of tokomaks have to do with the varying amount of twist within, the stellarator is just trying overcome these issues. They just use a field shape slightly more complicated than a donut, and have nothing to do with the topic of this article or sci-fi warp fields.

  15. Re:And how does... by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    Tie a knot in it.

    There are other things in the world besides politics, Horatio.

  16. Quantum Prions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all sounds great, until those quantum knots start converting all other matter into quantum knots at an exponential rate thus converting the known universe into a big mass of useless quantum knots. Sort of like how Prions from mad cow disease twist proteins in our brains into more useless prions..